She's that arrogant that she believes only her can change the world?, wow, I wonder why people love her that much.
Because people need to justify the fact that they chose an inferior divine when Leliana is able to have a relationship and does all her reforms much better than her.
Because people need to justify the fact that they chose an inferior divine when Leliana is able to have a relationship and does all her reforms much better than her.
Haha, totally right, she believes only her can change the chantry but she just restore the chantry we always knew, with prisioner mages, slaves and corrupt templars and racist.
Because people need to justify the fact that they chose an inferior divine when Leliana is able to have a relationship and does all her reforms much better than her.
Leliana risks the fragmentation of the Chantry and taking Thedas into the era of the religious wars of the 17th century. The fact that ultimately her decisions make no difference because the metaplot rules all does not make her a better divine.
Leliana risks the fragmentation of the Chantry and taking Thedas into the era of the religious wars of the 17th century. The fact that ultimately her decisions make no difference because the metaplot rules all does make her a better divine.
Glad you agree Divine Leliana is the best
Kinda reminds me of an argument I had on these boards with someone that felt all the companions in DAO were traitors because they moved on and pursued their own goals rather than slavishly clinging to the Warden's side.
Its a rather disturbing viewpoint that seems to suggest they view relationships (both romantic and platonic), as some sort of feudal bloodoath of total submission, rather than a bond between two individuals with their own desires.
I know what I'm using on my next date instead of "I like you."
Because people need to justify the fact that they chose an inferior divine when Leliana is able to have a relationship and does all her reforms much better than her.
Leliana can get away with changing the rules so she can have relationships because her platform from the beginning is radical reform. Changing something to better your own life while you are changing almost everything else is no big deal.
But Cassandra's platform is far more moderate. She wants reform without needless change, without abandoning tradition. This means having a relationship while Divine would be the only radical change she makes. An entirely different thing then Lelianna's one change among many. When the only radical change the Divine makes is to better her own life.......nice way to tell the world you are putting an end to corruption!
For what it's worth, I prefer Leliana as Divine
I have to say, I am disappointed with what Bioware did with Cassandra. After having watched Dawn of the Seeker I loved her character and was looking forward to seeing her in DAI as a companion, but in Inquisition there are several things that have lessened my feelings towards her. The romance having a couple of them.
I have to say, I am disappointed with what Bioware did with Cassandra. After having watched Dawn of the Seeker I loved her character and was looking forward to seeing her in DAI as a companion, but in Inquisition there are several things that have lessened my feelings towards her. The romance having a couple of them.
Such as? I'm asking because I never saw Dawn of the Seeker.
I don't see your point here. The top image is taken early on in Cassandra's romance before she or the Inquisitor fall for each other, while the bottom image is well after Jospehine and the Inquisitor make it clear they're together. This isn't even apples to oranges, this is apples to potatoes, fruits and vegetables.
Such as? I'm asking because I never saw Dawn of the Seeker.
It's hard to explain since you haven't seen it. I just really liked how she was portrayed in DotS, and her voice actress was Colleen Clinkenbeard does an amazing job(Miranda Raison did as well but I just really liked how Colleen did it). Then there are just things that they did in Inquisition that made me like her, or the portrayal of her, less than her DotS self and portrayal. A couple of examples would be her relationship with Regalyan. In DotS, they had her and him not sexually involved but end as great friends, the most romantic affection she showed was giving him a chaste kiss on the cheek. I really liked how they did that instead of them becoming sexually involved like most stories would, but then Inquisition ruins that by having them do exactly that. Then there was them making basically every lame joke about her on the forums into canon things, like her being a Hawke and Varric fangirl, reading smut, etc.
I don't see your point here. The top image is taken early on in Cassandra's romance before she or the Inquisitor fall for each other, while the bottom image is well after Jospehine and the Inquisitor make it clear they're together. This isn't even apples to oranges, this is apples to potatoes, fruits and vegetables.
Plus, Josephine isn't looking the Inquisitor in the eyes when she says it. She's clearly lying! 
Add another proof to the list of Josephine being dishonest in the relationship.
Such as? I'm asking because I never saw Dawn of the Seeker.
It's... an odd film in regards to certain parts of it.
There was a scene featuring an army composed solely of golems and ogres with no explaination provided, I believe, as to why there were an army composed solely of golems and ogres. The Archdemon didn't even get to pull a card featuring the latter.
It's... an odd film in regards to certain parts of it.
There was a scene featuring an army composed solely of golems and ogres with no explaination provided, I believe, as to why there were an army composed solely of golems and ogres. The Archdemon didn't even get to pull a card featuring the latter.
Well, I like to think we actually got to watch the embellished tale of Cassandra's rise to the position of Right Hand, like we got to play the embellished tale of Hawke's rise to power in DA2. DA2's large amount of WTF things (like the cave, forever in my heart! 
) actually make sense if you acknowledge you're playing Varric's version of the story, and from the beginning Varric is presented to you as a unreliable narrator through the scenes with Cass interrogating him (said scenes being actually the "reality").
So Cass' and Galyan's adventure makes sense if you see it as someone else narrating the story: "The crows turned into blood mages! They became invisible to escape! (...) and then they...they fought an army of golems and darkspawn and lady Cassandra got to destroy a few of them! Because she's awesome! And later she got to crash two dragons into each others! Because she's really that awesome!" ; all those things are no different than Varric's "and then another wave of ten scoundrels jumped from the roof to join the fight, but Hawke and the rest of us killed them with awesome move! Because really, we're that awesome!"
And it's actually quite brillant, to use the unreliable narrator trope on two different medias like that. Or maybe I'm just giving Bioware too much credits. 
So Cass' and Galyan's adventure makes sense if you see it as someone else narrating the story: "The crows turned into blood mages! They became invisible to escape! (...) and then they...they fought an army of golems and darkspawn and lady Cassandra got to destroy a few of them! Because she's awesome! And later she got to crash two dragons into each others! Because she's really that awesome!" ; all those things are no different than Varric's "and then another wave of ten scoundrels jumped from the roof to join the fight, but Hawke and the rest of us killed them with awesome move! Because really, we're that awesome!"
And it's actually quite brillant, to use the unreliable narrator trope on two different medias like that. Or maybe I'm just giving Bioware too much credits.
Isn't that what DA:I suggests? You can hear the relief in Cassandra's voice when you say that no, you didn't hear of how she became the Right Hand of the Divine. She points out that the story has getting bigger with time. "I barely recognize myself within it now". I always assumed it was a nod by Bioware to handwave any possible inaccuracy in Dawn of the Seeker, or any change they might have made later on Cassandra's character.
In a way, Cassandra represents what the Hero of Ferelden and Hawke will be or already are: famous heroes whose tales spread around the world, but who will be less and less important and/or powerful the more time passes and who will have to leave room for new heroes.
Isn't that what DA:I suggests? You can hear the relief in Cassandra's voice when you say that no, you didn't hear of how she became the Right Hand of the Divine. She points out that the story has getting bigger with time. "I barely recognize myself within it now". I always assumed it was a nod by Bioware to handwave any possible inaccuracy in Dawn of the Seeker, or any change they might have made later on Cassandra's character.
In a way, Cassandra represents what the Hero of Ferelden and Hawke will be or already are: famous heroes whose tales spread around the world, but who will be less and less important and/or powerful the more time passes and who will have to leave room for new heroes.
Yes, you're right. And there is also the comment she does in TWOT2 about her adventure:
"I cannot explain those events better than I already have. Yes, I was indeed threre when the Grand Cathedral was attacked, and I fought with every ounce of my strength to protect the Divine. Things could very easily have gone differently, however. I was framed for the murder of Lord Seeker Aldren, and had the mage, Galyan, not helped me, I would still be rotting in that cell. indeed, Galyan and the other Circle mages were instrumental in fighting this plot. It distresses me that their contribution has been overlooked while I have been singled out as a hero. I was willing to die to protect the Most Holy, it's true, and I almost did die. But fighting against such evil is my sworn duty. Galyan had no such oath to compel him. if it is at all within your power, I would ask that he and his friends be rewarded. The idea that I could have single-handedly slain all those dragons is more than outrageous; it is deceptive, and I will not contribute more to its spread."
I don't see your point here. The top image is taken early on in Cassandra's romance before she or the Inquisitor fall for each other, while the bottom image is well after Jospehine and the Inquisitor make it clear they're together. This isn't even apples to oranges, this is apples to potatoes, fruits and vegetables.
Have you any image of Cassandra doing anything romantic for you?, anything that you didn't have to start.
Have you any image of Cassandra doing anything romantic for you?, anything that you didn't have to start.
Cassandra never does anything romantic for the Inquisitor. She demands tangible things such as romantic poems, fancy secluded spots and candlelight but never actually gives the Inquisitor anything tangible in return. She could have written a silly & sweet poem or give a nice weapon / armor (being practical) for the man she loves. If she was not the Divine, she could have either married him or get engaged to him. But nope. Not romantic enough.
Talk about making someone jump through unnecessarily arduous hoops. Cassandra's romantic relationship with the Inquisitor feels a lot like the relationship of a poor animal tamer and an animal. Hey there, get me this if you love me, but nothing for you ! Oh, you want something from me ? Nah, you are not good romantic enough !
Josephine takes the Inquisitor out on a date to the theater (or a friendly outing if not romanced), she wins Wicked Grace for Inquisitor if romanced and her family welcomes the Inquisitor as a new addition to the Montilyet family if she is romanced.
Cassandra ? Good luck expecting anything from her. Honestly if you do a cost benefit analysis, Cassandra is not a good love interest at all because she is pretty one sided.
Have you any image of Cassandra doing anything romantic for you?, anything that you didn't have to start.
Screws you? More than Josephine does for you. She just screws everyone else out of their money at Wicked Grace.
If you have no romance, Josephine goes to meet the Inquisitor on the balcony of the winter palace - it shows that no matter the relationship, she cares about you and is concerned about how you are doing. Only your LI cares enough otherwise.
What i don´t get about Cassandra is how she disapproves of allying with the mages (greatly disapproves, accuses you of cuddling them) and says Leliana will change things to fast, but when divine Leliana does that anyway, specially on making all mages independent, then she is ok about that - instead she choses to ****** about how Vivienne is a tyrant (and hardened leli is not?) and even leaves the council. In the main game they seemed to share the same opinion on most things, so to me it makes little sense.
On the romance arc, i don´t really like how she mentions her former lover - totally out of place. The varric fangirl stuff also got a bit tiring after the first time, in trespasser it seemed like fan service. I think her romance would have better if she was reluctant because of grieving Revelyan, but eventually would accept you after you showed to care for her enough: buying her stuff just feels materialistic and shallow. She is a woman of faith so she should have been romanceable only by faithful inquisitors who support her all the way and clearly show to be interested in the person and not just banging.
Cassandra never does anything romantic for the Inquisitor. She demands tangible things such as romantic poems, fancy secluded spots and candlelight but never actually gives the Inquisitor anything tangible in return. She could have written a silly & sweet poem or give a nice weapon / armor (being practical) for the man she loves. If she was not the Divine, she could have either married him or get engaged to him. But nope. Not romantic enough.
Talk about making someone jump through unnecessarily arduous hoops. Cassandra's romantic relationship with the Inquisitor feels a lot like the relationship of a poor animal tamer and an animal. Hey there, get me this if you love me, but nothing for you ! Oh, you want something from me ? Nah, you are not
goodromantic enough !
Josephine takes the Inquisitor out on a date to the theater (or a friendly outing if not romanced), she wins Wicked Grace for Inquisitor if romanced and her family welcomes the Inquisitor as a new addition to the Montilyet family if she is romanced.
Cassandra ? Good luck expecting anything from her. Honestly if you do a cost benefit analysis, Cassandra is not a good love interest at all because she is pretty one sided.
The Inquisitor also never makes any requests of Cassandra.
So what is your point? I don't know why I keep asking that to people, they never give me a straight answer.
The Inquisitor also never makes any requests of Cassandra.
So what is your point? I don't know why I keep asking that to people, they never give me a straight answer.
Well is not like Bioware gave us the option to ask her to try anal.
Well, the Iron Bull does remark that Cassandra was getting an eye full of Inquisi-butt, so I'm sure she would have found something to use on you had you asked her for it. The same stick she was hitting the Iron Bull with perhaps?
Cassandra never does anything romantic for the Inquisitor. She demands tangible things such as romantic poems, fancy secluded spots and candlelight but never actually gives the Inquisitor anything tangible in return. She could have written a silly & sweet poem or give a nice weapon / armor (being practical) for the man she loves. If she was not the Divine, she could have either married him or get engaged to him. But nope. Not romantic enough.
Talk about making someone jump through unnecessarily arduous hoops. Cassandra's romantic relationship with the Inquisitor feels a lot like the relationship of a poor animal tamer and an animal. Hey there, get me this if you love me, but nothing for you ! Oh, you want something from me ? Nah, you are not
goodromantic enough !
Josephine takes the Inquisitor out on a date to the theater (or a friendly outing if not romanced), she wins Wicked Grace for Inquisitor if romanced and her family welcomes the Inquisitor as a new addition to the Montilyet family if she is romanced.
Cassandra ? Good luck expecting anything from her. Honestly if you do a cost benefit analysis, Cassandra is not a good love interest at all because she is pretty one sided.
I also think that Cassandra isn't a good love interest. It's been months that I am denying what I feel, but now I must be honest with myself. A wonderful and adorable character without doubts, but not a good love interest. At least compared to the potential she was after DAII. It started strangly with the one sided flirt options and her ignorance of what was doing the inquisitor, it got much better with the touching sex scene where she is talking with her love, but after... during the relationship... It's.. flat.. ? It's..cold ? She leaves me as my love and as her lover totally.. cold in this department, her romance leaves me cold.
I also felt she was quite..cold ? Almost dismissive compared to Morrigan who appeared really conflicted and in love despite persisting to leave the warden for her mission. ( That's probably why I want to break up with Cassandra witout wasting my time, moving on once and for all, and don't really care anymore about her once she told she wanted to do it while I would never have done that with Morrigan, staying loyal to the end )
I still remember all the tortured facial expressions of Morrigan 
, how she seemed almost about to crack when my warden insisted, told her he wanted her to stay. To the point that, really affected and getting emotional, she threatened with an angry but trembling voice to leave immediately if my warden persisted to try to convince her to stay with him. Arrrg, that was so intense ! ><%¨£¨¨TT ( With burning feelings from both sides ! )
And yet Morrigan was such a strong and badass character. This is what felt marvelous with what they did with her. She has her agenda, and she is determined to follow it, and yet you can strongly feel that she regrets feeling that way, she regrets being that strong, she regrets leaving the love of her life, terribly affected. That's probably why I never really blamed her. That's probably why I enjoyed the end of the relationship.
Oh Morrigan, Morrigan, will there be a character like you again. T__T She was my Solas !!!! 
David Gaider. When I learned that he was going to write Cassandra, I was like omg, he is the writer of Morrigan, of course, It's going to please me a lot. Now, I'm just left.. cold ? Still wondering how I could feel so differently lol.
Sometimes people (especially some religious one's) have to play mental gymnastics with themselves to justify getting laid. Tricking yourself into thinking you're in love when it's really lust is one way to do that. This would explain why Cass can get with an atheist, anti-circle, necromancer mage without too much hassle after you've made her pissed off enough to get white girl wasted.
As for why two years into the relationship she's not ready to commit to the Inquisitor I offer the words of the great african-american poet K.L. Duckworth:
"At first I did love you,
now I just wanna f*ck,
late nights thinking of you,
until I got my nut."
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