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[Shechinah]

Genetic samples makes better sense, but then you still have the question "why?" Do you not think there will be analogous nonsapients that can be domesticated? We already had sabertooth space dogs in the MW, and all the humanoids suggest that evolution usually comes to pretty much the same solutions in the MEverse no matter where you are.

 

I believe there might be a chance that whatever animalistic or botanical lifeforms the Ark might find on other worlds in Andromeda may not be edible but that may be my own hope speaking as I wanted to see more of enviroments like the one found on the planet that the MSV Hugo Gernsback crashed into.   
 

[Belgrade_Phantom]

It would be cool that our new protagonist has a pet , like in Star Trek : Enterprise that Captain Archer has a Beagle by name Portos : )
Our protagonist could have one cute and big English bulldog : )

 

[Ahriman]

It would be cool that our new protagonist has a pet 

I'm pretty sure he'll have asari. If that's not enough I wouldn't mind varren, but I doubt they'll take them aboard.

[KaiserShep]

Eh, you can get vegetarian products which has a taste that is pretty much identical to their meat counterparts.

There's a local store where I live that sells vegetarian products including vegetarian beef that can be used to make a burger that has the same delicious taste as a burger bought at a local grillbar

My main issue is price. Typically, quality stuff seems to cost more on average than its carnivore's equivalent.

[Steelcan]

My main issue is price. Typically, quality stuff seems to cost more on average than its carnivore's equivalent.

also you have to live with the shame of eating lies

[Shechinah]

also you have to live with the shame of eating lies

 

But they are very delicious lies
 

[Shechinah]

My main issue is price. Typically, quality stuff seems to cost more on average than its carnivore's equivalent.

 

I can understand that. I don't spend much money on a lot of things so what I buy of it are in my budget. 

[Steelcan]

But they are very delicious lies
 

I refuse to believe it

[Shechinah]

I refuse to believe it

 

Taste the lie, Steelcan, savor the delicious denial.
 

[KaiserShep]

also you have to live with the shame of eating lies

 

I'll eat just about anything within reason so I don't really care. Tofu pad thai, duck pad thai. It's all good, man.

[rapscallioness]

As others have said, I think any animals brought to Andromeda would be in a dna form. Some bottles of that good old secret sauce. Also seed banks. Must have those.

 

I could see housing any ...clones, I guess, in a biodome type of area. A controlled environment. However, if we're staying, we are going to have to progressively introduce these life forms into the wild of Andromeda....

 

Those two sentences make nervous right there. First off, clones. Clones are not as good, and aren't they usually sterile? So, we would have to keep creating them? Introducing them into the wild of Andromeda is dicey business.

 

So, probably just livestock then?  

 

Okay, I'm thinking about this wrong. It could be that everything we're leaving is fine. The animals are fine, etc, etc. We may not need to actually "preserve" anything. Rather, we are exploring and bringing livestock to eat.

 

Do chicken clones lay eggs?

[rapscallioness]

Nice thread, though. It makes me feel like we actually are starting to pack things up for the trip to Andromeda. And we're arguing about what to bring. You know, because you can't bring everything.

[DaemionMoadrin]

As others have said, I think any animals brought to Andromeda would be in a dna form. Some bottles of that good old secret sauce. Also seed banks. Must have those.

 

I could see housing any ...clones, I guess, in a biodome type of area. A controlled environment. However, if we're staying, we are going to have to progressively introduce these life forms into the wild of Andromeda....

 

Those two sentences make nervous right there. First off, clones. Clones are not as good, and aren't they usually sterile? So, we would have to keep creating them? Introducing them into the wild of Andromeda is dicey business.

 

So, probably just livestock then?

 

Okay, I'm thinking about this wrong. It could be that everything we're leaving is fine. The animals are fine, etc, etc. We may not need to actually "preserve" anything. Rather, we are exploring and bringing livestock to eat.

 

Do chicken clones lay eggs?

 

A proper clone would be fertile and a viable specimen just like the original. If done right there would be no difference between the two lifeforms. Of course, you can't keep cloning the same one over and over again, that wouldn't lead to a stable population.

[KaiserShep]

As others have said, I think any animals brought to Andromeda would be in a dna form. Some bottles of that good old secret sauce. Also seed banks. Must have those.

 

I could see housing any ...clones, I guess, in a biodome type of area. A controlled environment. However, if we're staying, we are going to have to progressively introduce these life forms into the wild of Andromeda....

 

Those two sentences make nervous right there. First off, clones. Clones are not as good, and aren't they usually sterile? So, we would have to keep creating them? Introducing them into the wild of Andromeda is dicey business.

 

So, probably just livestock then?

 

Okay, I'm thinking about this wrong. It could be that everything we're leaving is fine. The animals are fine, etc, etc. We may not need to actually "preserve" anything. Rather, we are exploring and bringing livestock to eat.

 

Do chicken clones lay eggs?

 

 

That makes me think of the Titan in Titan A.E.. The ship was just a huge library full of animal DNA. 

[rapscallioness]

I came across this while I was googlin' about on clones, etc. I'm posting this part just because it's...interesting. Interesting stuff. Oh, it's from nat'l human genome research inst. , or genome at gov.

 

"Reproductive cloning is a very inefficient technique and most cloned animal embryos cannot develop into healthy individuals. For instance, Dolly was the only clone to be born live out of a total of 277 cloned embryos. This very low efficiency, combined with safety concerns, presents a serious obstacle to the application of reproductive cloning.

 

Researchers have observed some adverse health effects in sheep and other mammals that have been cloned. These include an increase in birth size and a variety of defects in vital organs, such as the liver, brain and heart. Other consequences include premature aging and problems with the immune system. Another potential problem centers on the relative age of the cloned cell's chromosomes. As cells go through their normal rounds of division, the tips of the chromosomes, called telomeres, shrink. Over time, the telomeres become so short that the cell can no longer divide and, consequently, the cell dies.

 

This is part of the natural aging process that seems to happen in all cell types. As a consequence, clones created from a cell taken from an adult might have chromosomes that are already shorter than normal, which may condemn the clones' cells to a shorter life span. Indeed, Dolly, who was cloned from the cell of a 6-year-old sheep, had chromosomes that were shorter than those of other sheep her age. Dolly died when she was six years old, about half the average sheep's 12-year lifespan."

[rapscallioness]

That makes me think of the Titan in Titan A.E.. The ship was just a huge library full of animal DNA. 

 

Oh, my gosh. I was like, "I know this, but from where?" You took me back with Titan AE. I remember it being a good movie. Or at least I had fun with it. I don;t remember the library and that kind of stuff.

 

However, I could see that very thing happening on the Ark. A library full of dna; maybe an area where some live animals are being...fleshed out, if you will. Brought into life. Running around.

 

I could see and hope for there to be libraries on this Ark. Cultural as well as genetic. Maybe with a library like the one in Citadel dlc. Giant holograms with a collection of music, art, stories and mythologies; belief systems from the MW races. And we could do a search function to bring up exactly what we were researching, or just enjoying.

 

I would like to see a part of the Ark with a walk-in, holographic library.

[Miserybot]

No. The last thing Andromeda needs is cows eating up the ozone layer with their farts, or whatever it is those milk dispensing horses do.

[Halfdan The Menace]

How about anything from the Cretaceous period? even the butterflies were gigantic monsters.

[Rawls]

Not everyone is going to want a purely vegetable diet.

 

Assuming ME:A takes place in parallel with ME3, people not wanting a purely vegetable diet shouldn't be a problem.  Just let people know they have a choice.  If you don't want a purely vegetable diet, stay behind in the milky way and risk getting harvested by the reapers. 

 

In all seriousness though, I think that stasis pods certainly make the most sense and we have already seen that this technology exists in the ME universe. Once the Ark arrives at Andromeda and a small portion of members of the crew awaken, they look for a habitable planet.  Once they find a planet the rest of the inhabitants are awakened and colonization begins.  Those on the living on ship during the search for a habitable planet would eat only various plants as (1) they are a more sustainable resource and (2) they help regulate the atmosphere within the ship.  Non-space faring species would only make sense on the voyage as genetic material.  Once you find a planet to colonize and begin raising animals, meat may be reintroduced into everyone's the diet (because let's face it ... bacon), but it would be strictly raised off-ark.  Just my two cents. 

[Helios969]

How about anything from the Cretaceous period? even the butterflies were gigantic monsters.

Carboniferous.  And that would be frickin awesome to find a planet full of giant insects.  A little Starship Troopers tribute

[Chealec]

FYI, this is nonsense. We already produce enough food to feed the entire world, we just give a huge portion of it to livestock to produce meat. Meat production is wildly inefficient.

 

Ye-es ... but you can graze sheep (for instance) on uplands where you can't plant crops; whilst growing animals for food is less efficient than plants, it's still more efficient than not utilising that land at all - assuming the winter foodstuffs used to feed the animals were effectively waste products from human food production (e.g. the stalks from corn).

 

 

Not that it will really matter on the Ark since the staple diet will be Soylent Green.

[Shechinah]

Could be interesting to see hybrid animals make an appearance: beefalo, hybridmaster or zubron, anyone?

[Killroy]

Ye-es ... but you can graze sheep (for instance) on uplands where you can't plant crops; whilst growing animals for food is less efficient than plants, it's still more efficient than not utilising that land at all - assuming the winter foodstuffs used to feed the animals were effectively waste products from human food production (e.g. the stalks from corn).

 

 

Not that it will really matter on the Ark since the staple diet will be Soylent Green.

 

It takes 23 calories of feed to yield 1 calorie of meat. Sure, your extremely specific example might make some sense until you stop to think about, but here in the real world there's this thing called "the point of diminishing returns."

And almost 100% of agricultural waste can be used as fertilizer.

[Master Warder Z_]

And almost 100% of agricultural waste can be used as fertilizer.

 

So can the crew members who disagree with me

[shepskisaac]

Shifty Looking Cow MUST get in on the Ark