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[dragonflight288]

^Yo d where you been?

Dealing with strep throat and a brain tumor.

[MisterJB]

Jesus. I hope everything is alright.

[dragonflight288]

Things are improving. Was kind of a shock when I found out about the tumor last September. 

[Asdrubael Vect]

 

1) Templars do not serve the Seekers, they serve the Chantry. The Seekers are only supposed to oversee them.

 
2) Lord Seeker speaks of the issues and lies within the Seeker order, not the Templar order. Seems to me you have trouble differentiating between the Chantry, Seekers, and Templars.
 

 
1) Complete bullshit and you know it. This is why I didn't and still don't want to have this discussion. Because you straight up make things up and present them as facts.
 
2) Right. Except that Templars give up wealth when they join the order.
 

 
1) Except that the belief that magic is to serve man and never rule over him is the core idea of the Chantry. The Templars are meant to protect from magic and there is much to be protected from given mages can get possessed and become abominations, given that some mages can't control their magic, given that not all mages are good guys. Go talk to Wynne or Minaeve who were saved by Templars as little girls. The Templars are meant to be guardians and protectors. Some Circles deviated from that path, yes, but that's the problem of the organisation as a whole, some of the Templars being part of the problem. It's idiotic to blame the sword instead of the person who wields it. The Harrowing is the perfect example of an abhorrent practice inflicted upon mages by mages, done in Tevinter too where Templars are not an issue at all.
 
2) Please, find a dictionary and study what a "terrorist" is. And there's no such thing as Templars going "to heavens for their kills". If you're going to claim this sort of bullshit, provide a source to back it up or get out.
 

 
Except that Templars' job is to watch mages for signs of corruption and the Circles as such are about mages getting education and shelter. Abusing, killing or making innocent mages tranquil is a crime. It is literally against the law which you can find out during DAII if you actually bother to listen to anything besides yourself. Is forcing unskilled mages to become tranquil a barbaric practice? Sure it is. (Newsflash: Some do it willingly.) But there are still laws to protect mages. There are exceptions to the rule like Kirkwall (Meredith and Elthina still opposed the suggestion to make all mages tranquil, though.), but that's because Kirkwall was full of freaking psychos on both sides.
 

 
Here you go making stuff up again. Can you give me a few examples? Since you claim that this "usually" happens, then there must be plenty, right?
 

 
Hey, look, more made up stuff. Mages getting made tranquil for having children. Right. I guess Wynne was a super special exception. And she lied in that conversation she had with Alistair about it. And so did Anders.
 

 
I wonder if we've even played the same game, especially looking at the last line.
 

 
Except that nobles get sent to the Circle just like the children of commoners do. Just look at Emile de Launcet. I certainly didn't see any special treatment there. Hell, the fact there should be no exceptions is the whole point of Redcliffe in DAO. Since the Circles differ from each other, the rules and their strictness will vary, too.
 
Etc.
 
Do I agree with the idea of the Circles being forced upon mages? No. Do I think they are perfect the way they were in DAO or DAII? No. But the concept (providing safe place and education) is good. Actually, it was invented by mages. The Circles were made compulsory later by the Chantry and Inquisition. The Templars were created later to make sure mages do end up in Circles and to protect people (including mages) from the dangers of magic. (Check the wiki or something.) You blame Templars for every single thing, not realising they're merely a part of a broken system and that they're a bunch of individuals - good and bad, great and horrible - just like mages are a bunch of individuals.
 

And that's all just the tip of the ice berg. So, let's sum your first post up:
- You make things up,
- you mistake Templars with the Chantry and with Seekers, you randomly put them on the same pile,
- your knowledge of lore and the world is severely lacking,
- your bias is showing.

This is why I didn't want to participate in this discussion. And this is why I will not continue it from here. I have better things to do than dealing with somebody who uses lies as arguments.

You know, i do not want to answer after i see that you are blame me and do not know info of what are you talking about as missed many parts of the game and its lore, maybe you just not want to see or specially do not mention such..but i am do answer, at least once for such

 

templars was never created to protect mages(and sure they are easy on burning villages and even try to kill grey warden comanders to hunt mages) and was created in the time of Inquisitor Ameridan(and Seekers with Chantry was get rid from any info of him as with other Inquisitors who was mages like Ameridan and almost never a Seekers themselfs) and he have one of the first ones templar-Haron to fight with Hakknonites

 

and we know many things

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UOifQkdYHk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ_-J4D3BNw

 

Templars always obey and bow to Seekers more than any especially more than Chantry Divine what was perfectly showed in Asunder with Lambers orders, all knight commanders as almost all templar officers follow them and the only Seekers who was not with Lambers and Lucius was a Cassandra(who was become a Divine hand by a miracle and killing dragon, not cause she was rose in ranks) and Divine personal guards who know nothing about the order as they was far away when thing happen

 

 

And i think you really need to learn a history about what was they do after Amerian and after Dracon 1 was old and after he was die and we have Dracon 2

 

holy crusades agains older Andrastian religions and those who was try to save and later find the truth about old history. exalted marshes. anti-mages and evil Dales and after evil Tevinter propoganda(evil everyone who is not obey to Seekers), mages and heretics hunts and forced putting in circles who have worst education then circles of Tevinter and Nevarra and even barbarians was better

 

tranquility. elven alianages, rid of Shartan and other parts of Andraste history. 20 official rights of anulments....there is dozens of crimes what they was do and they was not corrupt they always was like that sinse Seekers destroy old Inquision and spreads a lies and violence for 800 years so they can controll the world as they see fit

 

Seekers never serve the Orlais Chantry as Inquisitor does not to Lelianna and others what we bring to power. Orlais Chantry always was a puppets what do what Seekers wanted and if some of old priests what was raised by thin system does not do what Seekers wanted they replace them with anothers...Justinia was special as her hands as Cassandra and Lelianna, they survive longer and Seekers just stop to pretend and show their true face

 

Enchanter Wynne child was special thing and you can read info about how her baby was voluntary given to Chantry by that Templar just after Wynne get birth and can do as say a thing. and you never find a name of that Templar as i am sure noone talk that Rhys was a templar child until Wynne said so after decades and hero of blight stuff with Divine protection and freadoms...so yeah Veness and Sadat situation exept Wynne was a special and more valuable even as Anders who was protected by Iriwing with Uldred and Ferelden Circle Templars officers was bribed with much lyrium, even we have a questd in DAO about their lyrium bribes what was a shock to Denerim Templar officer....we know that Seekers do with such Circles as they did in Rivain were Templars not have a controll as it was in Kirkwal and Orlais

 

Templars, even a low ones have a huge payment what is enought for them and their whole family if they have one as they not loose titles and yeah they not give their wealth if they are nobles and many fanatical noble families have their childrens as Templars(especially like Travelians or Ravi who was a ruler of Free Marshes city)..only Evageline give all what she have inherited to UNCLE(not CHantry) cos she just not wanted it

 

nobles as rich childrens for who their parent care even as a aprentices(who live horrible and many dies cos of templars abuses. weak censored education as harrowings what was never needed especially for not skilled mages) have a personal rooms even a personal templars just for them and many riches. some even became like Viviene who almost not lived in Cirlces herself....Enchanter Illana is a perfect example, and i do not even talk about Connor and others

 

Mages was wiped in Kirkwal for speaking with outsiders(let understand that many Circles are far away so noone would know about right of annulmens and other stuff like Seekers what try to do in Rivain) what can be heard from them. mages, even pregnant ones was beaten by Templars in many other Cirlces even in main Orlais one they torture mages, yeah Templars torture mages if they need or they want to for no real reason and nothing stop them as killing if they just blame them for somethink

 

Circles being forced upon mages? No. Do I think they are perfect the way they were in DAO or DAII? No. But the concept (providing safe place and education) is good. Actually, it was invented by mages. The Circles were made compulsory later by the Chantry and Inquisition. The Templars were created later to make sure mages do end up in Circles and to protect people (including mages) from the dangers of magic. (Check the wiki or something.) You blame Templars for every single thing, not realising they're merely a part of a broken system and that they're a bunch of individuals - good and bad, great and horrible - just like mages are a bunch of individuals.

 

Yes Orlais Chantry Circles what are abomination to original Cirles system are forced by the Orlais Chantry Law(by Seekers)...you go to Circle or execution...

 

mages are Orlais Chantry property who work for them and bring them money with mages servises and enchantsments as formari work, mages not have any rights and freadoms, cant oficially have relationships, family and own childrens, cant inherit noble titels and they can be executed or tranquiled by Templars/Seekers without any trial if they just consider that they need to be and noone will ever thing about it aas was it right or wrong, even Chantry priests who do nothing even if they thing that something wrong

 

Chantry Circles are not changed since 2 blight and Emperror Dracon 2

 

officially by the lore wost magic education by apostages, barbarians and non-Orlais chantry Circles standarts..not really better than Qunari education and everything are educated from saved and censored ancient Tevinter books as not really good mages who are became teachers cos they not rally have a choice

 

worst safety for mage as in concentration camps....if you are not from noble and rich family who care about you, as if you are not a loyalist one minded  you are likey not survive to have harrowing and you can not survive harrowing to become enchanter

 

Fears and dangers from magic and crazy mages are mostly only from Templars-Seekers work since 2 blight, whole system creates problems what are killed by those who create them and peasants are happy by the propoganda or shuted by swords and fires...common peoples fear templars hunts more than mages who run from circles

 

Templars are always was a part of Seekers system of world controll...Orlais Chantry and Templars are part of Seekers work, Chantry is just official face and propoganda workes who brainwhases masses and give holy right...templars is numerous replaceable cheap(by the time needed to create and teach new ones, by material value they are useless spend of gold while Seekers powers are way cheeper to obtain and not need any lyrium) brute force with low anti magic powers of what Seekers have and with addiciton as follow the orders without question rule...Seekers are real rulers and have all control, they never wanted to create Templars with real powers and share their secrets. every consider their powers as Maker bless but it all was a lie and Templars addicted never was needed and was useless and Seekers was know it

 

If Seekers want Seekers will do and all others are not worth a thing as Chantry and Templars who are easy sacrifeced for Seekers vision of world

 

Orlais Chantry ad their Templars are always was bad organisations by any law and moral point of view. those Templar who renegates. who are not follow and broke their bows to Order are not a Templars and never prove that Templars was and are good, they prove that they against Order and they consider that it need to change

 

circle mages not part of system and orders, they are not voluntary serve and they are was forced and slaves to Seekers system who rebel and try to fight for their lifes, rigths and freadoms

 

those who serve to Templar Order-Orlais Chantry-Seekers have a choices and they for milenia voluntary choose to be who they was and do all horrible thing what they was do cos it was their job and almost all from them are became red templars and serve Coryfeus without any mindcontrol as with Seekers who cant be mindcontroled...almost any bad things what circles mages what do was cos of Templars and Chantry works. it was cos of the work of Seekers system what is exist for 800 years

[Vanilka]

You know, i do not want to answer after i see that you are blame me

 

Then don't answer and the problem is solved. Especially don't return to me while addressing next to none of my points and focusing on just one or two that you hope to gold-mine in directions I have never even gone to. The fact is that you wrote a load of nonsense about how the abuse of mages by templars, including rape and whipping, is perfectly legal and common in modern Thedas and so forth. Frankly, my patience ran out with my previous post about this. Have a nice day.

[Asdrubael Vect]

Then don't answer and the problem is solved. Especially don't return to me while addressing next to none of my points and focusing on just one or two that you hope to gold-mine in directions I have never even gone to. The fact is that you wrote a load of nonsense about how the abuse of mages by templars, including rape and whipping, is perfectly legal and common in modern Thedas and so forth. Frankly, my patience ran out with my previous post about this. Have a nice day.

bullsh*t i answer to almost all of you points about many things and you just not read what i wrote especially in last post after video proofs...you can call a ingame info as codex and WOT info as nonsense as much you please =)

 

yes i am not answer many of your points in the exact numbers of what you do give me, what was cos in that way it would be many things too separeted and so i answer main parts first and others later there..so many of them was answered in lower side of my post what you just not read as that i here was whote not 1 post for what you answer me and my older posts have many answers

 

everything of what i was whote was happened and it is a fact and yes nothing was stop such as theyre is nothing what was protect mages from those

 

modern Thedas now not have old Orlais Chantry as old Seekers and old Templars anymore and they not have powers what they have for 800 years

 

Circles of Orlais Chantry are not much and reformed or can be banned now as Enchanters separeted no matter what

 

Orlais Chantry Templars are banned or they are new ones who reformed and not have much or almost not have powers

[Asdrubael Vect]

http://dragonage.wik...gon_Age_(comic)

 

this is a perfect image of Orlais Chantry Circle life inside and in perfect Ferelden Circle with low Chantry-Seekers controll as what they have in Kirkwal and Orlais one

 

theyre you are see Templar relationships with mages from begining, and not just that

 

And Asunder is not bad but it is show elite enchanters from elite Circle who even work near Divine Justinia herself, and their relationships with 1 Templar officer and lord  Seeker who send Templar to kill mages after they will do Divine job

[Vanilka]

bullsh*t i answer to almost all of you points about many things and you just not read what i wrote especially in last post after video proofs.

 

Because your first post was far enough for me (I did say in my first post to you that I was not going to continue the discussion.) and I didn't read much of the rest. Quickly checking, I can say those videos prove nothing. They just give general info everybody knows about, like the fact the rite of tranquility is sometimes used and abused or that the Chantry has a problem with mages which was never in question. The last video even speaks in templars' defence as the abused party by the Chantry. But thanks for reminding me why I feel for them.

 

Well, I'll let you talk since it seems you will regardless of whether I participate or not. Have fun.

[Treacherous J Slither]

Things are improving. Was kind of a shock when I found out about the tumor last September.

It'd be a shock to anybody man. Hope everything works out for the best.

[vbibbi]

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