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Was there any change in Inquisition based on whether you allowed the Architect to live. Letting him live in Awakening would add another dimension to the fight against Corypheus...but as far as I could tell, like many other DLC things, had zilch affect on Inquisition.

 

I don't know if someone else found something, I was just curious what people discovered. (I'm about to make the decision again through my fourth run through Awakening)



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I don't think so.....I don't think he was even mentioned. That's not to say he might not come into play later on down the line though.



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Nope, afraid not.  Plus if "The Architect" is anything like Cory was, he probably isn't dead even if you did kill him.  :mellow:



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Nope, afraid not.  Plus if "The Architect" is anything like Cory was, he probably isn't dead even if you did kill him.  :mellow:

 

 

at least your choices mattered in mass effect....wait a minute   :lol:



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Nope, afraid not.  Plus if "The Architect" is anything like Cory was, he probably isn't dead even if you did kill him.  :mellow:

 

I believe both of his assistants were tainted and I think Seranni is always unaccounted for regardless of what happens to the Architect. This could leave an opening for the Architect's survival, I think, as he may have leaped into Seranni's body following his death at the hands of the Warden.
 


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I believe both of his assistants were tainted and I think Seranni is always unaccounted for regardless of what happens to the Architect. This could leave an opening for the Architect's survival, I think, as he may have leaped into Seranni's body following his death at the hands of the Warden.
 

Doesn't matter dev said if he was killed he ain't going back , so architect didn't have same abilities (obviously ) that Cory had.



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Doesn't matter dev said if he was killed he ain't going back , so architect didn't have same abilities (obviously ) that Cory had.

I don't recall any Dev saying that

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I don't recall any Dev saying that

Check on wiki on architect page, one of sources is link (or was) to interview where it was said.



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No difference, not even in Descent where a difference could have been reflected properly.



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You find a Codex during your quest to Valammar called 'A Different Darkspawn?', where it's narrated how a dwarf was rescued from a darkspawn attack by a talking emissary, who tended his injuries and treated him kindly.

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^But it documents a time before Awakening took place.
 



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You find a Codex during your quest to Valammar called 'A Different Darkspawn?', where it's narrated how a dwarf was rescued from a darkspawn attack by a talking emissary, who tended his injuries and treated him kindly.

 

I remember darkspawn tainting EVERYTHING they touched....

 

How would 'tending his injuries' have worked? "Stay there darling, let me just take my taint-proof gloves!"

 

And before anyone says "MAGIC!" (which could've actually been a legit answer for once) how would an Emissary know magic to heal humans?



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Well, if he used to be one ...
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I don't recall any Dev saying that

 

I think David Gaider said it.

 

That said, it would be a retcon I wouldn't mind since I feel there is enough to make the Architect's survival plausible.
 


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Considering we were originally going to fall into the deep roads and meet the Architect in the original concept of Here Lies the Abyss, that kind of implies  the Architect was going to be alive regardless of whether you killed him or not.


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I remember darkspawn tainting EVERYTHING they touched....

How would 'tending his injuries' have worked? "Stay there darling, let me just take my taint-proof gloves!"

And before anyone says "MAGIC!" (which could've actually been a legit answer for once) how would an Emissary know magic to heal humans?

It works because the Architect isn't just any old Darkspawn: He's one of the seven Magisters who entered the Golden city. You'll notice Corypheus doesn't taint anything he touches either.

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Considering we were originally going to fall into the deep roads and meet the Architect in the original concept of Here Lies the Abyss, that kind of implies  the Architect was going to be alive regardless of whether you killed him or not.

 

Perhaps, perhaps not. They could have switched the Architect out for Seranni, and given her special lines similar to the Architect's. In any case, it was scrapped. So while I didn't hear Gaider say the Architect could not resurrect, the fact it was scrapped would seem to imply that there was a worldstate issue here where BioWare would have to account for a slain Architect, and they cut it because it would have been too much work for them.
 



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Considering we were originally going to fall into the deep roads and meet the Architect in the original concept of Here Lies the Abyss, that kind of implies  the Architect was going to be alive regardless of whether you killed him or not.

Nope , DG said that if architect showed up he wouldn't reuturn if killed sadly site with interview doesn't seem working anymore , so all its left is some post that were linking to that interview.Some people may recall as it is the same interview DG said Architect is same type of character that Corypheus pretty much pointing that Architect was tevinter magister as well. 



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It works because the Architect isn't just any old Darkspawn: He's one of the seven Magisters who entered the Golden city. You'll notice Corypheus doesn't taint anything he touches either.

 

Yeah, if the corruption affected everything with even the slightest exposure, the Inquisitor would have never survived being lifted up by Corypheus during the attack on Haven. Nor would it be possible for anyone to travel through the Deep Roads without immediately dying.

 

It probably requires either getting some of their blood in your system or prolonged skin contact with darkspawn or an already tainted object.

 

Nope , DG said that if architect showed up he wouldn't reuturn if killed sadly site with interview doesn't seem working anymore , so all its left is some post that were linking to that interview.Some people may recall as it is the same interview DG said Architect is same type of character that Corypheus pretty much pointing that Architect was tevinter magister as well. 

 

Except that other devs have also said that the Architect was supposed to appear in Inquisition during HLTA before it was changed, suggesting that his ultimate fate is still in play at least among the writers. While Gaider's word does have some clout, remember that Weekes can easily Joss this as the new head writer.

 

The Architect having the same ability as Corypheus and the Archdemons to soul surf into another tainted host would be one means to have him survive Awakening if you killed him. Since his death can take place in a giant darkspawn lair (and baby factory), as well as alongside several Wardens, it's not like there was a shortage of tainted individuals running around for him to hop into.

 

If Utha survived the fight as well, she would probably be the best bet for how to handwave his death, since as a ghoulified Warden, she has the strongest corruption of anyone in proximity at the time of the Architect's death.

 

If the Archect doesn't have the same ability as Corpyheus, one explanation could be that whatever transformed them struck one of them first and then radiated out to the others (an event which is depicted on one of the murals at Skyhold). As their leader, Corypheus being the first one affected and it passing through him and into the others, might be why he'd have some unique abilities.

 

But I personally don't see how the Architect wouldn't have that ability, since as one of the Seven, he was right there with Corypheus when they were all transformed and they are both the same type of unique darkspawn, so wouldn't they have the exact same abilities as each other?


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If Utha survived the fight as well, she would probably be the best bet for how to handwave his death, since as a ghoulified Warden, she has the strongest corruption of anyone in proximity at the time of the Architect's death.

But she dies if he dies. A better bet would be Serrani, who is heavily tainted and who's fate is unaccounted for in all playthroughs except that she was in the area.
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Except that other devs have also said that the Architect was supposed to appear in Inquisition during HLTA before it was changed, suggesting that his ultimate fate is still in play at least among the writers. While Gaider's word does have some clout, remember that Weekes can easily Joss this as the new head writer.

 

The Architect having the same ability as Corypheus and the Archdemons to soul surf into another tainted host would be one means to have him survive Awakening if you killed him. Since his death can take place in a giant darkspawn lair (and baby factory), as well as alongside several Wardens, it's not like there was a shortage of tainted individuals running around for him to hop into.

 

If Utha survived the fight as well, she would probably be the best bet for how to handwave his death, since as a ghoulified Warden, she has the strongest corruption of anyone in proximity at the time of the Architect's death.

 

If the Archect doesn't have the same ability as Corpyheus, one explanation could be that whatever transformed them struck one of them first and then radiated out to the others (an event which is depicted on one of the murals at Skyhold). As their leader, Corypheus being the first one affected and it passing through him and into the others, might be why he'd have some unique abilities.

 

But I personally don't see how the Architect wouldn't have that ability, since as one of the Seven, he was right there with Corypheus when they were all transformed and they are both the same type of unique darkspawn, so wouldn't they have the exact same abilities as each other?

 

That doesn't mean anything , because pretty much DG said that Architect could appear in the future but he wouldn't if he was killed , so if killed he could simply not show up in Inquistion or more likely (knowing bioware) he would be just replaced like in Alistair/Loghain/Stroud case by someone else (Discple).

 

Except Architect didn't present any of Corypheus abilities like ability to imitate calling or exert control over grey wardens despite such ability would be obviously useful and could have granted him victory on many occasions.Hell if he was immortal then he would have killed The mother long time ago because every time she would put him down he would just reborn , and it doesn't make sense he would possess his own ally instead his enemy (the warden). So pretty much there is too much things that point he doesn't have Corpheus abilities and nothing that he has.

 

Because we know almost nothing about how they changed from humans into darkspawn , that Architect is similar to Corypheus doesn't mean he is the same by that logic darkspawn emissary would have same ability just because they have things in common. 

 

Besides i don't think series needs another resurrection and another choice turned into irrelevant enough is enough.



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That doesn't mean anything , because pretty much DG said that Architect could appear in the future but he wouldn't if he was killed , so if killed he could simply not show up in Inquistion or more likely (knowing bioware) he would be just replaced like in Alistair/Loghain/Stroud case by someone else (Discple).

 

This no longer matters.  The Architect's death (permanent death) was neither explored nor exhibited in game and considering what we found about Cory afterwards it is hard to define whether the Architect actually "died" when you killed him.  DG is no longer head writer of Dragon Age, heck as far as I'm aware he isn't even working at Bioware anymore.  Nothing he says in past interviews that didn't make it into either the games or the books can be taken at face value as Cannon anymore.

 

Weekes could just as easily have another plan for the Architect in mind and claim that like Cory he is far harder to kill than the average darkspawn.


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This no longer matters.  The Architect's death (permanent death) was neither explored nor exhibited in game and considering what we found about Cory afterwards it is hard to define whether the Architect actually "died" when you killed him.  DG is no longer head writer of Dragon Age, heck as far as I'm aware he isn't even working at Bioware anymore.  Nothing he says in past interviews that didn't make it into either the games or the books can be taken at face value as Cannon anymore.

 

Weekes could just as easily have another plan for the Architect in mind and claim that like Cory he is far harder to kill than the average darkspawn.

It does matter , because DG was lead writer (not so long time ago) and he was pretty much clear with that da dev team didn't intend revive architect in the future.

 

He can, if he wants another ridiculity in the story, in my pervious post i pointed why Architect "immortality" would be just another hole in the story and poor writing caused by import function.



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It does matter , because DG was lead writer (not so long time ago) and he was pretty much clear with that da dev team didn't intend revive architect in the further.

 

He can, if he wants another ridiculity in the story, in my pervious post i pointed why Architect "immortality" would be just another hole in the story and poor writing caused by import function.

No ... it really doesn't.  Video Game series due to the length of production will often shift out staff members and lead writers on a regular basis, its just part of the job. Regardless of whether or not Bioware and Weekes have any intention of bringing back the Architect or not, they are not required in any way to adhere to something DG mentioned in a interview that he never saw fit to actually confirm or deny in either the games or the books.  It did not show up in the official finished product, it is therefore not a requirement to treat it like concrete DA cannon now that DG is no longer working on the project.  

 

This is a similar thing to one of the arguments people are using as to why the Inquisitor's new handicap is a reason they can't return as a playable (combat capable) character for future games (not the only one mind you, just one), despite there being concept art for Iron Bull where he was originally planned to have had a rather complex mechanical Combat Prosthetic. Regardless if it was planned or not that prosthetic never made it into a finished product, so its hard to say whether that prosthetic (and potentially others like it) even exists in the DA universe ... or if that idea was scrapped entirely when they scrapped that version of Iron Bull.  It's not so cut and dry with things that never made the official cut, as such the same applies to DG's comment about the Architect.

 

Also, how exactly would the Architect (who is a Tevinter Magister just like Cory) having the same abilities as Cory be a plot hole of any kind?  I would be shocked if he arbitrarily didn't have a similar ability.  <_<


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No ... it really doesn't.  Video Game series due to the length of production will often shift out staff members and lead writers on a regular basis, its just part of the job. Regardless of whether or not Bioware and Weekes have any intention of bringing back the Architect or not, they are not required in any way to adhere to something DG mentioned in a interview that he never saw fit to actually confirm or deny in either the games or the books.  It did not show up in the official finished product, it is therefore not a requirement to treat it like concrete DA cannon now that DG is no longer working on the project.  

 

This is a similar thing to one of the arguments people are using as to why the Inquisitor's new handicap is a reason they can't return as a playable (combat capable) character for future games (not the only one mind you, just one), despite there being concept art for Iron Bull where he was originally planned to have had a rather complex mechanical Combat Prosthetic. Regardless if it was planned or not that prosthetic never made it into a finished product, so its hard to say whether that prosthetic (and potentially others like it) even exists in the DA universe ... or if that idea was scrapped entirely when they scrapped that version of Iron Bull.  It's not so cut and dry with things that never made the official cut, as such the same applies to DG's comment about the Architect.

 

Also, how exactly would the Architect (who is a Tevinter Magister just like Cory) having the same abilities as Cory be a plot hole of any kind?  I would be shocked if he arbitrarily didn't have a similar ability.  <_<

 

Yes it does , once again at this point devs have planned how and in what direction things will go in future products, DG comment not so long ago made it clear that Da developer team didn't intend resurrect Architect in the future. Can they change their mind sure , but if they didn't want and didn't plan to bring him back from dead by this point low chances of that it will happen.

 

What could have been and what it is are 2 different matters , truth is that devs might have give up on idea because simply it wouldn't make sense as technological advancement in Thedas is poor , even qunari who are more advanced than rest of Thedas still fall far behind our technology level.

 

I don't want to explain it again but pretty much i explained that i pointed them in #21.