11 réponses à ce sujet

[ricijs2000]

Now i dont know if anyone else have come up whit this kind of thread, but here it goes anyway.

I have been brainstorming and come up whit my own theory about who is the maker and what the black city actually is. And thanks to Tresspaser and other sources of lore trough out my game play of Dragon age games i came up whit these ideas.

 

Nr1 - The Black city its not a city but a prison for the Evanuris, and the Blight was always there, i think the Blight was supposed to be this big suffering that they are having for all eternity as Solas mentioned for murdering Mithal.

Nr2 - Solas is the Maker, or at least he just took the alias as Maker and here is why. Because of the Tevinter magisters who used the blood magic to enter Fade where they stumbled upon the Black ''city'' and as we know they did this because the old gods promised them the power and whit that i will go in the details in Nr3 but for now its back to Solas. So after they unleashed the Blight on Thedas Solas aka Maker knew the Magisters and their Empire was dangerous if not kept in check or dealt whit but how would he do that? He cant get his people to help many of them are slaves and noone would help an elf so he manipulated a person aka Andraste who was in position of power thanks to her husband Maferath so long story short he basicly says ''Im the Maker blah blah blah worship me free the elven slaves crush the Tevinter i will help you whit magic wups i mean godly powers'' and BAM Tevinter is crushed to a point so they dont do that same mistake whit Fade and blood magic again and Solas elven brothers and sisters are free from slavery  a win win and he goes back to sleep.

Nr3 - The Old gods, now heres were it gets tricky i believe that Old Gods that were captured and stuffed inside those dragons are actually part of Evanuris souls or powers , like maibe Solas locked the physical forms of Evanuris in Black prison at Fade and portions of their souls in these dragons, makes sense actually seven Evanuris minus Mythal of course, ok so thats seven elven gods and seven old gods and perhaps at some point these ''dragon vesels'' or the Evanuris themselfs trough Fade ''whispered'' to some of the Tevinter mages making them believe its their gods speaking to them and setting in motion their break out from the Black prison in Thedas.......mind BLOWN.

 

 

 

So yea these are my theories comment of what you think, or what other ideas you would have on these things 

[Master Warder Z_]

Bioware has already said this on the Maker: If he does exist then he is pretty much what the Chantry stories tell of, a creator, all powerful, omnipresent diety.

 

Or he doesn't exist.

 

It's a coin toss between actual honest to goodness capital G-God or absent from existence outside stories.

[ricijs2000]

Bioware has already said this on the Maker: If he does exist then he is pretty much what the Chantry stories tell of, a creator, all powerful, omnipresent diety.

 

Or he doesn't exist.

 

It's a coin toss between actual honest to goodness capital G-God or absent from existence outside stories.

We all know how much worth is what Bioware says so i would not be that quick to trust what they say......ever

[Master Warder Z_]

We all know how much worth is what Bioware says so i would not be that quick to trust what they say......ever

 

They've been saying the same thing since DAO, I doubt they will ever give a answer regarding the Maker besides the one that Gaider gave back in like 2009 or 2010.

[Gervaise]

Well back in Origins we did the quest for the Sacred Ashes and met a Guardian and a lot of other spirits that seemed to confirm Andraste's story.   The Guardian accused Leliana of making up her "vision" for attention, which might have been true, but then he also says that the Maker only ever spoke to Andraste.    So is this Guardian simply voicing the belief of the people at the time of Andraste or even in the minds of the people standing before him and not the actual state of affairs?

 

Both Hessarian and Drakon claim to have either heard the voice of the Maker or received a vision from him.   Several of Hessarian's supporters when he converted to the faith in the Maker also claim to have had an encounter with Andraste in the Fade.   Were they telling the truth, lying or were they delusional, so truly believe what they heard/saw but it was really all their own imagination playing tricks?

 

It seems unlikely that the Maker ever takes a direct role in affairs but he may well influence the minds of people to go in the direction in wishes them to take.   So instead of Solas being the Maker, is the Maker influencing Solas through the Fade?    Where did Solas receive the knowledge to construct the Veil?     Drakon had a vision which was meant to show the end of the world and the return of Andraste, ushering in a new era of peace and freedom.    It starts with something that seems very like the Veil being torn open and ends with Andraste standing before the gates of Minrathous.   So is Solas unwittingly the hand of the Maker?

[Xilizhra]

Well back in Origins we did the quest for the Sacred Ashes and met a Guardian and a lot of other spirits that seemed to confirm Andraste's story.   The Guardian accused Leliana of making up her "vision" for attention, which might have been true, but then he also says that the Maker only ever spoke to Andraste.    So is this Guardian simply voicing the belief of the people at the time of Andraste or even in the minds of the people standing before him and not the actual state of affairs?

Like dead!Leliana, the Guardian is a spirit created by or drawn to the lyrium, and may or may not accurately reflect anything at all.

[Ashagar]

The only thing that is really confirmed via word of god from the developer about the maker is the same enity as the creator deity that the Ancient Neromenian and ancient Tevinter believed in which is not one of the old gods.

[Gervaise]

When you say that the word of god of the developer is that the Maker is the same entity as the creator deity that ancient Neromenian's believed in, was this something posted on Facebook or Twitter or is there an actual source in games/literature.   The thing is I have read through World of Thedas 1 and while the Chant suggests that the ancient Neromenian's believed in the Maker and turned from him to the old gods, I can't actually find any reference to this belief outside of it. 

 

For example, the Alamarri barbarians, from whom Andraste came, and who are said to have been around nearly as long as the Neromenians, originally had an animist religion, and the Avaar who were an early offshoot of the Alamarri believe in many gods, that they acknowledge are spirits, but there is no evidence of belief in an overriding Maker/Creator god.     The Rivani native religion, which must also have very ancient roots, is pantheistic; they believe their god and the universe are one and the same.    This is pretty close to Leliana's idea in Origins that she can feel the Maker in the wind of the trees and the beauty of nature but not the same as the main concept of the Maker (as found in the Chant) where the entity existed before all things, brought them into being and is separate from its creation.  

[Secret Rare]

It is claimed that an elf named Temolai created a helm that allowed him to gaze upon the Black City.

The craftsman was lost forever

if this is a legend or something more is hard to say.

[NRO TYN]

Is the maker real? If you ask my Human Mage Inquisitor Thalisan Trevelyan, he'll tell you no.

 

Me personally: IDK, maybe?

 

Now is the black city real? I think so. That elf hunter from Origins pretty much said he saw a "Black City" before getting pulled into the mirror.

( Are we forgetting about him?)

 

Something tells me he going to come back as a servant of whatever evil lurks there.

[Gervaise]

What Tamlen saw in DAO could have been Arlathan overrun by darkspawn.    In fact Arlathan could be the origin of the darkspawn.   Of course it could also be the original Golden/Black City, a reflection of which can be seen in the Fade.   It seems more likely that the eluvian would be opening onto the submerged Arlathan than the Black City in the Fade.

 

The Tevinter Imperium were definitely said to have sunk what remained of the city of Arlathan into the ground.    This was unusual behaviour as previously they preferred to conquer and plunder, particularly elven ruins.    So either they just get fed up after besieging it for six years and decided to end things or they realised that there was something in there that they would rather didn't get out.   I'm hoping the answer to this is something we will find out in the next game.

[Ghost Gal]

I think Merrill said it best. "Your 'Maker' is just a story you humans use to explain the world. We have our own stories. I don't need to borrow yours."

 

At best, I will personally believe the "Maker" is just an extremely powerful spirit formed and fueled by the faith of humans who first started believing in it, just like how Nightmare is an exceptionally powerful spirit fueled by mortals' fears, until directly proven otherwise. I also believe that Andraste was just a very powerful mage who fused with a very powerful spirit. And the Temple of Sacred Ashes was just fueled by the very high concentration of exceptionally pure lyrium ore that surrounded the ashes and the person who brought her ashes to that place, and all the spirits there were Fade spirits who came to reenact that person's memories. If they're just gonna keep being super vague a la "Oooh! He MIGHT exist, might not" then I'm just gonna say, "Whelp, then he's not real."