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Really? After playing all the different possibilities I saw it as being Feros, Therum, Virmire, Noveria.
Feros is the most urgent since a colony is under attack, and you end up with the Cipher. However you cannot understand it so you go to Therum to get Liara, a Prothean expert. You then learn that Saren has a base on Virmire, so go there to take him down. After that, you go to Noveria and get the Mu Relay location shortly after Saren does, which gets you to Ilos shortly after him thus why he is barely ahead of you. It also makes Saren's conversation about him having doubts before getting and recovering from the implants make more sense since he had more time to do that.

Mass Effects plot is really all over the place, although I admit this does make a lot of sense. Thing is, Saren has information from a Prothean beacon and an inability to understand it. His bff, Benezia, just so happens to have a daughter who is an expert on Protheans, and just so happens to be located in a relatively obscure and completely undefended mining colony at a Prothean dig site in the Traverse. If he didn't go to get her first, he would be an absolute ****** moron.

And he does, more or less. Or rather, the Therum and Feros and Noveria assignments become available simultaneously.

Now consider Shepard's perspective. At this point in the story, you know: 1) Saren is after Prothean information to release a race of synthetic beings called the Reapers and 2) Matriarch Benezia is aiding him and 3) she has a Prothean expert daughter located in the Traverse.

Furthermore, you know that 1) a human colony on a Prothean ecumenopolis world is under attack and 2) maybe some Geth were spotted on Noveria.

There is absolutely no reason to rush to Noveria, so you are left with a choice between Feros and Therum. At this point in the story, the only logical reason Saren would want to go to Feros is because, presumably, another Prothean beacon might be located there...on a world literally covered by Prothean ruins. A random colony attack seems unlikely otherwise. You dont know about the Thorian or the necessity of the Cipher. Saren does, but you dont. All you know is that Saren is interested in Prothean junk and he just invaded a world covered by Prothean junk.

So you have a choice: The colony is already under attack, so do you go there to try and stop it, maybe find another beacon and MAYBE get more information.... OR do you rush to snatch up an expert on the Protheans who could give you insight into the existing Prothean info from the beacon that you already have, and oh-by-the-way she is the daughter of Saren's right hand and may be able to give you insight into Saren/Benezia's motives or even potentially their location. You know nothing else about Liara besides her potential, at this point.

Arguably, I would say obtaining Liara is clearly strategically more valuable than another *possible* Prothean beacon. Because remember - at this point Shepard doesn't even know that his vision was incomplete. Liara tells him this after Feros. So for all he knows he has everything he needs to stop Saren, except the means to understand it. Liara could be the key to that.

So without metagaming, I'd say Therum then Feros definitely makes more strategic sense. But Virmire then Noveria does make more sense than the other way around, I'd agree.

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yeah I just stick with going to Feros first to investigaste why the geth are there and to help my fellow humans since I play as a human.


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Never understood the obsession with this sometimes green Asari asshat.

Allowed her to live.

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Renegade femshep as my default for like every playthrough.

 

Killed her basically every time.

 

Is fun.

 

No regrets.


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Never understood the obsession with this sometimes green Asari asshat.

Allowed her to live.

 

My biggest problem with Shiala is the way she talks. 

 

Zhuuuu's Hope.



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Shiala is fun. I wish I could recruit her. I bet she's more interesting than Liara.


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Shiala is fun. I wish I could recruit her. I bet she's more interesting than Liara.

I think almost everybody is more interesting that Liara - well, except for Tali, maybe. 


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Shiala is fun. I wish I could recruit her. I bet she's more interesting than Liara.

I think that pesky indoctrination thing stands in the way of that.



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I think that pesky indoctrination thing stands in the way of that.

 

 

That might have made things more interesting, though I suspect not in the way some of her fans might like. Imagine recruiting her, only to discover that the indoctrination she suffers makes her ultimately work against you.


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That might have made things more interesting, though I suspect not in the way some of her fans might like. Imagine recruiting her, only to discover that the indoctrination she suffers makes her ultimately work against you.

She's not indoctrinated though. AFAIK, Thorian's effect counteracted the indoctrination. What she had though was the remaining influence of the Thorian that bonded her with the rest of the colonists on Zhu's Hope.



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She's not indoctrinated though. AFAIK, Thorian's effect counteracted the indoctrination. What she had though was the remaining influence of the Thorian that bonded her with the rest of the colonists on Zhu's Hope.

She is still indoctrinated. The message she sends in ME3 confirms it. Only the link to the colonists lets her resist it.

Sure we know this through hindsight but it isn't a good idea to remove her from the colonists.

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She is still indoctrinated. The message she sends in ME3 confirms it. Only the link to the colonists lets her resist it.

Sure we know this through hindsight but it isn't a good idea to remove her from the colonists.

Being removed from the colonists wouldn't matter since the link still remains. We only have to look at the Thorian Creepers on Nodacrux to see that. They were hundreds of light years away from the Thorian, yet immediately reacted to its death due to the connection. 


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Are you willing to take that chance? Risk your life, your ship, your crew, and all the Galaxy on that?



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Are you willing to take that chance? Risk your life, your ship, your crew, and all the Galaxy on that?

Yes. With how much Reaper stuff all of our crew have been exposed to, every single person is a risk. Even Shepard is a risk. That doesn't mean I'm going to kill my crew then myself just to be safe. 


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Yes. With how much Reaper stuff all of our crew have been exposed to, every single person is a risk. Even Shepard is a risk. That doesn't mean I'm going to kill my crew then myself just to be safe. 

 

I think it becomes the ultimate Paragon / Renegade question for each of us.  Frankly, I only killed her once (out of the many times I played) for my renegade play-through.  

 

Sometimes you have to be rough, such as when you are on Omega, or dealing with Fist and his thugs.  Sometimes being nice - or at least working it so that you don't have to be violent works.  That's why I hate the paragon/renegade part of the game -  because some of those checks in the game messed it up for me pretty badly (at least in ME2) for me.  


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She was used by Saren and Benezia,why kill her?

Spared.I wish romance with her.



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I shot her once but felt like an ass afterwards. It's one of the few REALLY dickish renegade choices in the series, imo. The only other one that made me feel like an absolute ass was abandoning the refinery workers in Zaeed's mission. I like being renegade, but I try to avoid being a complete jerk most of the time.

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In all of my playthroughs, I've never actually killed her. From a role-playing standpoint--and arguably from a logical standpoint ("Oh I was allied with Saren big-time, but now it's okay you can trust me.") I should probably kill her, but I never have. I have two theories as to why, in my case, I have never killed her. The first being that she's just too insignificant for me to really bother with killing her. She just doesn't have much of an impact to me, dead or alive. The other one could be that I like to avoid killing people where possible. Sure, I won't hesitate to kill someone if I feel it's justified or I dislike them, but in Shiala's case specifically? Sure she was allied with Saren, but she never did anything bad to me specifically. She never tried to kill me, she didn't call me anything. That's just my two cents about it.



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I've done both, but usually let her live because my characters are usually more merciful. It's a similar situation with Rana Thanoptis who I wish you could kill in ME2 once you see she's still up to no good.



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It's a similar situation with Rana Thanoptis who I wish you could kill in ME2 once you see she's still up to no good.

How did she outrun a blast though? She's not Flash.



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I've never killed her. At that point in the story I don't see a reason to, especially since I do Feros after Noveria and Benezia is already dead. It's not like she'll come back for her. And because my Shepard still doesn't understand indoctrination yet.



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How did she outrun a blast though? She's not Flash.

She says she uses an utility pod to get out of the blast radius. 



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She says she uses an utility pod to get out of the blast radius. 

Whatever this is. But ok.



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Whatever this is. But ok.


Think Indiana Jones' fridge.

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In all of my playthroughs, I've never killed her.