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[dantares83]

who actually invented it and who knows it will succeed? 

 

there had only been 5 blights and only the 5th blight did it come up.

 

so how did Flemeth/Morrigan discover this ritual and how do they know it will work.

 

all grey wardens who dealt the final blow to the past 4 archdemons died and are revered as heroes, so meaning none has performed this ritual before.

 

Was it a ritual given to Flemeth/Mythal by the Dread Wolf/Solas? If so, why didn't Flemeth used it during the 3/4 blights when she was supposedly already alive in those ages?

[Andromelek]

Well, it is unknown whether or not Dumat was actually slain since there is no mention of the Warden who killed him nor of any weapon made from his remnants, aside that you are assuming that there were only seven Old Gods, there are clues of an eighth one and it's possible that they were an entire species that were driven near to extinction by the Evanuirs (who have the precedent of doing so to Titans) more likely is that the ritual was performed on Mythal's times and she passed such knowledge to Flemeth.

[thats1evildude]

Wasn't the Dark Ritual a modification of an ancient elven spell that Flemeth knew? I seem to remember hearing that somewhere.

[Aren]

Well, it is unknown whether or not Dumat was actually slain since there is no mention of the Warden who killed him nor of any weapon made from his remnants, aside that you are assuming that there were only seven Old Gods, there are clues of an eighth one and it's possible that they were an entire species that were driven near to extinction by the Evanuirs (who have the precedent of doing so to Titans) more likely is that the ritual was performed on Mythal's times and she passed such knowledge to Flemeth.

I think Dumat was killed by the same warden whom armor is in DAA the "Sentinel Warden".

http://dragonage.wik...tinel_armor_set

His armor was forgotten into the village  of Blackmarsh instead to be in the fortress of the GW and was lost until the HoF or Orlesian warden found it in the fade section of the village.

The fortress didn't existed yet during the time of the first blight that's why the armor was lost and there is no tomb of that GW.

[Aren]

Wasn't the Dark Ritual a modification of an ancient elven spell that Flemeth knew? I seem to remember hearing that somewhere.

Probably is just a spell that Flemeth crafted on her own thanks to the extensive knowledge of Mythal.

I don't think that Mythal had such spell because actually Archdemons didn't even exist during the realm of the Evanuris.

[thats1evildude]

 

Probably is just a spell that Flemeth crafted on her own thanks to the extensive knowledge of Mythal.

I don't think that Mythal had such spell because actually Archdemons didn't even exist during the realm of the Evanuris.

 

What I mean is, there was a similar spell used for a different purpose, like if one of the Evanuris wanted to jump bodies through magic. She just adapted it to be used on an Archdemon.

[Dai Grepher]

Flemeth devised it based on Mythal's knowledge of the arcane. The archdemons did not exist when the evanuris ruled, but the old gods did. Flemeth and Mythal were after the old god's soul. They knew of the soul transfer and devised a way to force the soul to seek the child like a beacon. It was probably the same kind of magic they planned to use on Morrigan to possess her body.

[Aren]

What I mean is, there was a similar spell used for a different purpose, like if one of the Evanuris wanted to jump bodies through magic. She just adapted it to be used on an Archdemon.

Absolutely possible,maybe it was pretty common for the ancient elves to jump between bodies with their spirit so Flemeth just modified it to work with the taint .

[Aren]

 

 

all grey wardens who dealt the final blow to the past 4 archdemons died and are revered as heroes, so meaning none has performed this ritual before.

 

Was it a ritual given to Flemeth/Mythal by the Dread Wolf/Solas? If so, why didn't Flemeth used it during the 3/4 blights when she was supposedly already alive in those ages?

i think Solas could have created the dark ritual as well he does not lack the knowledge, but he has nothing to do with it otherwise he would have stole the old god soul before Flemeth did.

I think Flemeth born in the tower age so probably she & Mythal were not together when Gharael killed Andhoral

from what i know from the last flight Gharael never met FLemeth or Mythal and i doubt he would have helped  in saving Andhoral.

[dantares83]

 

Probably is just a spell that Flemeth crafted on her own thanks to the extensive knowledge of Mythal.

I don't think that Mythal had such spell because actually Archdemons didn't even exist during the realm of the Evanuris.

 

then y didn't she try to get the wardens to use it on the 3/4 blights?

[Big I]

then y didn't she try to get the wardens to use it on the 3/4 blights?

 

Maybe she tried but couldn't convince them it was a good idea (as is possible in DA:O). Maybe she hadn't worked out how to do it during the other Blights. Maybe she just liked Urthemiel more than she liked Dumat, Thoth, etc. Anything's possible.

[Cute Nug]

then y didn't she try to get the wardens to use it on the 3/4 blights?

 

Maybe she tried but couldn't convince them it was a good idea (as is possible in DA:O). Maybe she hadn't worked out how to do it during the other Blights. Maybe she just liked Urthemiel more than she liked Dumat, Thoth, etc. Anything's possible.

 

Sure Grey Spawn are dumb enough to raise a demon army for a ridiculously evil mage by killing each other.

 

Yes Grey Spawn are absolutely stupid enough to imprison one of the original darkspawn magisters they can't control and not not tell anyone.

 

However our beloved hero of Ferelden was probably the first Grey Spawn actually evil enough to say yes to the Dark Ritual.

[Aren]

then y didn't she try to get the wardens to use it on the 3/4 blights?

I'm pretty sure  Flemeth was born in Highever   during the tower age    while Toth the fire dragon was awakened in the same  age but probably when Flemeth and Mythal were not togheter.

He was killed after 50 years so probably in the meantime Flemeh gained Mythal.

I's hard to find the name of the GW who killed Toth i have to search it, if i don't find the name than it means that Toth soul was not destroyed.

HOwever we can be certain tha both

Dumat

Zazikale

Andhoral  

were not involved with FLemeth 

[Andromelek]

I'm pretty sure  Flemeth was born in Highever   during the tower age    while Toth the fire dragon was awakened in the same  age but probably when Flemeth and Mythal were not togheter.
He was killed after 50 years so probably in the meantime Flemeh gained Mythal.
I's hard to find the name of the GW who killed Toth i have to search it, if i don't find the name than it means that Toth soul was not destroyed.
HOwever we can be certain tha both
Dumat
Zazikale
Andhoral  
were not involved with FLemeth

Search on WoT2 I think it dropped the names of the AD killers but Dumat's was missing as I recall.

[dantares83]

I'm pretty sure  Flemeth was born in Highever   during the tower age    while Toth the fire dragon was awakened in the same  age but probably when Flemeth and Mythal were not togheter.

He was killed after 50 years so probably in the meantime Flemeh gained Mythal.

I's hard to find the name of the GW who killed Toth i have to search it, if i don't find the name than it means that Toth soul was not destroyed.

HOwever we can be certain tha both

Dumat

Zazikale

Andhoral  

were not involved with FLemeth 

 

it is said the dark ritual existed even before the circles so that is like the 2nd blight.

[Andromelek]

it is said the dark ritual existed even before the circles so that is like the 2nd blight.

By that time Flemeth wasn't born and Mythal was already dead, who invented it then?

[ArcaneEsper]

Someone mentioned Ancient Elven magic earlier and tbh that seems like the easiest way to explain it.

Unless it's something the Neromenians (or potentially Qunari) brought from the northern lands. And the knowledge of the ritual just sort of got lost among the Blights and other general calamities that seem to plague Thedas.

[Aren]

Search on WoT2 I think it dropped the names of the AD killers but Dumat's was missing as I recall.

Loris is the name, so yes Toth is dead

the only name which is missing is the one of the GW who killed Dumat,there is only rumors about his armor in DAA

 

it is said the dark ritual existed even before the circles so that is like the 2nd blight.

It is never implied,Morrigan only say that is an old form of magic but the spell was created from Flemeth for this archdemon.

I think is a similar  magic to the one the elves used(the ancient elves) when their spirit abandoned their bodies(Abelas do this if he is killed),it was a pretty common thing during Arlathan's age,FLemeth just modified the process and created a new spell based on the same magic  with the taint so that an archedemon spirit could have benefited from it.

[myahele]

Yeah, it's probably an altered Ancient Elvhen magic. This might have been a "safeguard" for the Elvhen nobles to still live on just incase they were killed.

 

The Avvar also have a "reincarnation" ritual for special individual and we know they're a later offshoot of the Alamarri. So maybe the it could be an Alamarri reincarnation spell for special individual.

 

The interesting thing is that Kieran and Urthemiel's soul never merged? It was 2 separate souls in 1 vessel since Flemeth took Urthemiel's soul from him.

 

So my theory of it being an Elvhen safeguard/ backup just incase they're assassinated would still kinda hold true

[sim-ran]

I had just assumed that this was a plothole, but if Flemeth actually wasn't around for the previous Blights then that's actually a really good explanation.

[Secret Rare]

I had just assumed that this was a plothole, but if Flemeth actually wasn't around for the previous Blights then that's actually a really good explanation.

Or she was there but the others GW simply refused or she didn't wanted to save the others archdemons,not all old gods are the same after all one can assume that Andhoral is different than Urthemiel and was evil even before to become an archdemon.

[Asch Lavigne]

I just want to know what the Old God Soul has to do with revenge, how would it have helped her exactly?

[Secret Rare]

I just want to know what the Old God Soul has to do with revenge, how would it have helped her exactly?

I have my own theory i will post it when i have time in a new thread

[Andromelek]

Or she was there but the others GW simply refused or she didn't wanted to save the others archdemons,not all old gods are the same after all one can assume that Andhoral is different than Urthemiel and was evil even before to become an archdemon.

She only could have been present for the fourth Blight, and I don't know if she would have time if she was raising a daughter.

[Secret Rare]

She only could have been present for the fourth Blight, and I don't know if she would have time if she was raising a daughter.

she was alive in the tower age the age of the 3rd blight