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Children NPCs?

Débuté par Ascari , févr. 09 2016 01:04

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#101
Akrabra

Posté 12 février 2016 - 10:12

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Then why put the kid, at the start of ME3, inside what effectively amounts to a "Parliament of Earth" building? Unless he was there on some kind of school trip, or guided tour - in which case, what was he doing right inside the presumably restricted governmental offices? That wasn't believable - it was contrived.

Sure, if we're getting to Andromeda via Colony Ship then yup, there are gonna be sprogs running about - but BioWare have never sacrificed contrived plot devices for believable settings in the past.

That is not the same thing. The kid is used as a plot device for the main plot of the game. It is pretty clear that he doesn't exist to anyone else then Shepard. That was tacked on and horrible design.

Anyway what we are talking about here is world building, you know making the setting believeable so it feels like you are there and not just watching cutscenes. Thing is Bioware has done this before, it is nothing new. Baldurs Gate II, Dragon Age Origins, both considered to be some of the best work they've done and guess what? It has great settings which feels alive, and like you are part of it. And both game have children contributing to that setting.

Look at the video linked above me from The Witcher 3, or search for "Kid in a Fridge" it is a Fallout 4 quest. Easy contributions to make the setting feel alive. I am aware that this might not seem important, but when it is done well you don't really notice it in the game because it feels natural. I go out of my way to look for stuff like this because i want to know that care was put into the world. Guess this was a small rant, oh well.

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#102
yolobastien6412

Posté 16 février 2016 - 10:44

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Citadel did have kids. We just never saw them. Duct rats.

That makes sense. I would prefer something like that than actually having kids running and causing trouble. We've all been kids. All we do is cause trouble.

I agree. Making a more believable, relatable world should be paramount when you want players to be invested in the fictional universe you've created.

I would honestly be more invested in the new ME with whatever new aliens and civilizations they come up with, as well as any fauna one might encounter, or new models for existing Milky-Wayans instead of children who do not add much in terms of immersion and investment.

If there had to be a trade off between adding children character models, and new adult character models, I'd go with adults.

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#103
yolobastien6412

Posté 16 février 2016 - 10:56

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Really hate being dragged into these sort of arguments, but:

No I don't think you can understand it until you have a child. I certainly didn't

Suspect you need to have a chat with your parents based on 'obnoxious, needy, accident-prone kid because the parents who chose to have unprotected sex need a break from the stress that they brought upon themselves and will gladly guilt-trip their brother who's too damn nice for his own good' - sounds like you have some deep rooted issues there

I don't recall mentioning that the world revolves around me, I think you'll find I was quite clear it was my own personal opinion and fears and how the use of children is effective at manipulating those adults who have them in a way you will never understand if you have never had kids

Protecting your child is a basic instinct for a very good reason, and has nothing to do about separating us from wild animals. Don't be so asinine

I'm a bloke. I don't see how you have jumped to the conclusion I am a woman. Men care about their children too you know

1.I would say many people are able to empathise with a parent losing their child, or even fearing to lose them, even if they are not parents themselves. It would probably not be complete empathy, rather sympathy, but I think it is closely comparable to having sibling you love, parents, best friends, mentors, grandparents, etc. It would not be the exact same, but I dont think every parent feels exactly like you do towards your children, everyone's would be sort of unique.

2. I think what he meant was that family members without children are looked down and considered less successful than those with children. So the guilt-trip thing would not be unheard of, and I don't think that's a deep issue, although s/he might want to get that sorted.

5. Maybe your profile picture.

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#104
KaiserShep

Posté 16 février 2016 - 12:07

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I would honestly be more invested in the new ME with whatever new aliens and civilizations they come up with, as well as any fauna one might encounter, or new models for existing Milky-Wayans instead of children who do not add much in terms of immersion and investment.

If there had to be a trade off between adding children character models, and new adult character models, I'd go with adults.

I'm not sure why there has to be a trade off in the first place. It's not like I'm talking about playgrounds full of animated NPC's and such, or even that they have any audio. But if we're walking through a regular civilian population, one here and there can make all the difference.

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#105
Chealec

Posté 16 février 2016 - 12:57

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That is not the same thing. The kid is used as a plot device for the main plot of the game. It is pretty clear that he doesn't exist to anyone else then Shepard. That was tacked on and horrible design.

Anyway what we are talking about here is world building, you know making the setting believeable so it feels like you are there and not just watching cutscenes. Thing is Bioware has done this before, it is nothing new. Baldurs Gate II, Dragon Age Origins, both considered to be some of the best work they've done and guess what? It has great settings which feels alive, and like you are part of it. And both game have children contributing to that setting.

Look at the video linked above me from The Witcher 3, or search for "Kid in a Fridge" it is a Fallout 4 quest. Easy contributions to make the setting feel alive. I am aware that this might not seem important, but when it is done well you don't really notice it in the game because it feels natural. I go out of my way to look for stuff like this because i want to know that care was put into the world. Guess this was a small rant, oh well.

I'm not sure you're disagreeing with me there or not

... yeah, if the setting is likely to have kids in it, put kids in it. Just don't put them in purely for the sake of it, or as some kind of plot device, or to try and force some empathic/emotional response.

Kids playing in the rain in the Witcher? Yup, I'm good with that. The kid in ME3 - less so.

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#106
Tvorceskiy

Posté 16 février 2016 - 02:34

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I'm with the group that says no to child NPCs. I would just rather the resources go towards something else. Besides, child NPCs are usually super creepy...

I mean, if they are there, then fine. But I'm not going to feel any "loss of immersion" if they aren't.

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#107
Vortex13

Posté 16 février 2016 - 02:53

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Children NPCs seem like such a low priority feature for me. Sure, if everything else is implemented correctly and all the planned narrative and gameplay hooks are in place, and BioWare still has ample time left over, then yeah add in kids.

Though another thing about adding in children is (again) the whole violence issue. In a wild and lawless frontier misfortunes are a matter of "when", not "if". So the question would be are the players and developers okay with horrible things happening to children. If the developers are okay with that eventuality, then it should be an equal opportunity process; human offspring shouldn't be afforded more worth than any other species' children. Unlike the first three games, the narrative shouldn't send the player off to go mow down dozens of mentally handicapped new borns of one species with no thought given but then suddenly get squeamish when one human child is in danger.

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#108
Angry_Elcor

Posté 16 février 2016 - 03:36

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We also never saw Elcor/Vorcha females.

That's because they suck.

Also, nobody cared.

Oh, it's on!!!

I clearly have an unhealthy fascination with this gif, I keep using it so much.

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#109
abaris

Posté 16 février 2016 - 04:12

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I want to see some young NPCs in Andromeda so the world can feel more alive. I know there was one in ME3 but that was a human but imagine seeing aliens such as turians,quarians,krogans, or asari as children. Would you like to see some children NPCs in Andromeda?

Exactly. I don't know what it is with game companies being shy about including children. They are a vital part of every society. Simply make them essential as Bethesda does, so they can't be killed, if that's what they're afraid of.

Honestly I can't remember if there were children in DA:O. That's the only DA game I played, since I didn't like the turn they took with the series. So I can't say if there were children.

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#110
Shaftell

Posté 16 février 2016 - 09:17

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Yes... Also... Fat men and women... Everyone is always so in shape. Jeez

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#111
abaris

Posté 16 février 2016 - 10:32

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Yes... Also... Fat men and women... Everyone is always so in shape. Jeez

They also have the same height. Per race. Should I call that lazy or just following the one model fits all budget conservatism? Femshep also shared the walk and sit animations wiith broshep. Which made her look pretty vulgar when sitting down wearing a dress.