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[DaemionMoadrin]

I dunno if BioWare can ever really do right here. People go on about how great ME1 is, but if the game goes back in that direction, it becomes a problem. Of course, if they go in the direction ME2 or 3 did, they'd face the same criticism. 

 

ME2's main weakness was the main story, which basically was one single mission we prepared for the entire game. It didn't really matter in the context of the trilogy. The characters, world building etc were top notch though.

 

ME1's main problem was the gameplay, which was clumsy and cumbersome. It straddled the edge between RPG and TPS, which was an imperfect solution. They finally got it right with ME3, so ME1 with ME3's engine and gameplay would be pretty awesome. (Minus the boring Mako parts, of which there were too many.)

 

ME3 had structural problems in the main story, which culminated in the infamous ending. Its tone was very american/militaristic/patriotic/Hollywood emotion BS ... so that didn't help either. Plus, Vega. **** Vega.

 

If you look at it like this, it seems easy to cut out the bad parts and mix the good ones up for a new game. Remains to be seen if BioWare goes that route or if they try to do another DA:I.

[Rawls]

BTW, you mean Saren and Illusive Man were good antagonists, right? TIM was, until he became head of universally-evil-and-capable-super-organization in ME3.

 

 

Yes. 100% meant TIM in Mass Effect 2.

[Linkenski]

ME2's main weakness was the main story, which basically was one single mission we prepared for the entire game. It didn't really matter in the context of the trilogy. The characters, world building etc were top notch though.

 

ME1's main problem was the gameplay, which was clumsy and cumbersome. It straddled the edge between RPG and TPS, which was an imperfect solution. They finally got it right with ME3, so ME1 with ME3's engine and gameplay would be pretty awesome. (Minus the boring Mako parts, of which there were too many.)

 

ME3 had structural problems in the main story, which culminated in the infamous ending. Its tone was very american/militaristic/patriotic/Hollywood emotion BS ... so that didn't help either. Plus, Vega. **** Vega.

 

If you look at it like this, it seems easy to cut out the bad parts and mix the good ones up for a new game. Remains to be seen if BioWare goes that route or if they try to do another DA:I.

100% agreed on everything and especially that. Although, Vega isn't that bad.

[DaemionMoadrin]

100% agreed on everything and especially that. Although, Vega isn't that bad.

 

I'm his commanding officer and he can't manage to be respectful even once. You have to go full Renegade to keep him from using stupid nicknames and... ugh. No, I just don't like this suddendly appearing character who behaves as if we were friends. His entire attitude stinks.

[LineHolder]

Doesn't help that he shows up after the squadmates we had in ME2. A decent character and the little backstory while boxing was a nice touch but I'd rather have Miranda or Legion.

[N7Jamaican]

I've never played a Dragon Age game (I tried Origins, shelved it in 2 hours) but for those who've played both series, did you notice any progression from ME3 to DA: I that gives you any idea of how Andromeda will turn out?

 

Any trends that will persist? Any trends that will be reversed?

 

I know different studios handle the two series but the overarching philosophy of a game development company does get into its games.

 

I shelved Dragon Age Inquisition in about 3 or 4.  I've tried Dragon Age 2, after a friend begged me to play it.  Shelved it in about 2 hours.  I am not a fan of their Dragon Age games, and the funny thing is... I love FANTASY games.  I guess LoTR and Warcraft/WoW spoiled me.

[LineHolder]

I shelved Dragon Age Inquisition in about 3 or 4. I've tried Dragon Age 2, after a friend begged me to play it. Shelved it in about 2 hours. I am not a fan of their Dragon Age games, and the funny thing is... I love FANTASY games. I guess LoTR and Warcraft/WoW spoiled me.

Have you tried Witcher?

[N7Jamaican]

Have you tried Witcher?

 

I've played TW3 and was impressed. Haven't played any other Witcher games.

[KaiserShep]

Its tone was very american/militaristic/patriotic/Hollywood emotion BS

 

 

Well, seeing as how the games were produced by a company that resides in America's hat, I suppose an American tone is to be expected, and I can't say that it's something I would consider as a necessarily negative thing. Could be worse though. Could be Greece. Barla Von wouldn't touch that place with a 10 parsec pole. 

[Drakoriz]

Have you tried Witcher?

 

Witcher 3 is good but it suffer from issue when it come down to open world. like the big map with alot of nothing.

 

I hope ME A dont have that issue with the planet exploration.

[KaiserShep]

Witcher 3 is good but it suffer from issue when it come down to open world. like the big map with alot of nothing.

 

I hope ME A dont have that issue with the planet exploration.

 

 

A lot of nothing is basically part and parcel with planet exploration. After all, most worlds are probably not suitable to sustain life, so it will just be vast deserts. 

[Mdizzletr0n]

I shelved Dragon Age Inquisition in about 3 or 4. I've tried Dragon Age 2, after a friend begged me to play it. Shelved it in about 2 hours. I am not a fan of their Dragon Age games, and the funny thing is... I love FANTASY games. I guess LoTR and Warcraft/WoW spoiled me.

Interesting. That's how I felt about WoW. Played for about 2 hrs or so and never wanted to play it again. Lol. Love the Dragon Age games though, more so than the ME games.

[Mdizzletr0n]

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[DaemionMoadrin]

Well, seeing as how the games were produced by a company that resides in America's hat, I suppose an American tone is to be expected, and I can't say that it's something I would consider as a necessarily negative thing. Could be worse though. Could be Greece. Barla Von wouldn't touch that place with a 10 parsec pole. 

 

I get that. I'm just saying it's very... unsubtle and obvious to Europeans.

[txgoldrush]

ME2's main weakness was the main story, which basically was one single mission we prepared for the entire game. It didn't really matter in the context of the trilogy. The characters, world building etc were top notch though.

 

ME1's main problem was the gameplay, which was clumsy and cumbersome. It straddled the edge between RPG and TPS, which was an imperfect solution. They finally got it right with ME3, so ME1 with ME3's engine and gameplay would be pretty awesome. (Minus the boring Mako parts, of which there were too many.)

 

ME3 had structural problems in the main story, which culminated in the infamous ending. Its tone was very american/militaristic/patriotic/Hollywood emotion BS ... so that didn't help either. Plus, Vega. **** Vega.

 

If you look at it like this, it seems easy to cut out the bad parts and mix the good ones up for a new game. Remains to be seen if BioWare goes that route or if they try to do another DA:I.

What structure problems?

 

ME3 has the best plot structure of the trilogy. Its an actual three act play.

 

And please, the entire trilogy is military science fiction...ME3 is no different from ME1 in this regard.

[txgoldrush]

I don't expect a Mass Effect game to adopt a whole lot from a Dragon Age title. The thing I'm really hoping they take a close look at is the dialogue system and improving companion interaction, which I felt was always rather anemic compared to its DA counterparts. 

No, the dialogue systems have struggled.

 

Bioware should look instead to games like The Witcher 3 and Life is Strange....as they took the Bioware formula and surpassed it.

 

And companion interaction in DAI is far from good, and they had far weaker character storylines than the cast of DA2. All that interaction came at the cost of quest quality.

[txgoldrush]

DAI is without doubt the better game compared to ME3 and even ME2 - especially in terms of the story. Though still DAI isn't perfect it at least made kinda sense what we did and wasn't all for naught. And gave me a sense of accomplishment. If onlythe villain and his incorpration into the story would have been better

 

Which leads me to the msot important aspect I hope ME will copy from DA - standalone-games that tell a finished, self-contained story. Sure, there will be the overarching theme of colonizing andromeda, and I already see some evil race dominating Andromeda and mankind coming at odds with it in all titles (something like the Dominion in Deep Space Nine maybe). But no more attempts to tell a multi-part connected story over three games please. Doesn't work out as was proven...

 

Of course the worst aspects of DAI will return as well - with such prominent focus on the new MAKO its clear driving like idiots over the planet surface from generic mini-quests to miniquest is almost a given. Sadly. I'd prefer the tighter story-telling of the original Mass Effect games (even though I later wished that story would never have been told in the first place^^). Cause (pseudo)open world should better be left to Bethesda. Even Witcher 3 sucked at it and should have stayed true to Witcher 2 in that regard...

 

What MEA can and should have a look at from DAI are some of teh main quests and their emotional payoff - like Haven, or the templar-mage-quests. And those Dragon Fights are fun! Or the entire Crestwood-Area.

DAI was a bottom of the barrel clichestorm of a story by a chicken company who is too scared to take risks. The story sucked, and there wasn't much to begin with. Really the only part of the storytelling that was done well in DAI was the character of Cassandra, the advisors, Morrigan, and the quests Champions of the Just and Hush Whispers. Hell, you might as well quit the game once you reach Skyhold because thats when the storytelling takes a holiday.

 

On the other hand, ME3 is Bioware KING of consequence, with a dark story that forces players to pay attention. ME3 made sense. I will give you ME2's story is bad, but at least the characters make up for it.