Since the fact is that the next game will be set in the Andromeda galaxy...
... does it really matter? It's a done deal... who gives a flying f**k how they got there?
Players who enjoy immersion. I can't immerse myself in a universe that doesn't even make logical sense to me.
You comparing something that was done by a single organization to something something that was a joint effort.
They don't really anyway - most choices boil down to a non-choice within the plot at large (they have to, otherwise it would be an impossible endeavour to make the game last over a trilogy). So it is an illusion of choice.
I really don't understand why people are so hung up on this player choice thing, it's quite odd.
So it is an illusion of choice.
No, the choice is still an actual choice. The fact that the entire plot doesn't completely diverge every time you make a choice doesn't stop it from being a choice. That isn't how choices work.
The entire point of making choices is to change things, and in many cases BioWare delivered on that. That some choices were unimportant or later made unimportant is entirely irrelevant.
You can't understand why people care about the central tenet of the series?
I'd say most choices were made irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, especially choices from ME1. I think only the decision whether to kill Wrex or not has any impact, and even with that the plot continues regardless.
And I wouldn't say choice was the central tenet at all of the series, I'd say it was being a 3rd person shooter with a modicum of role playing hybrid. That's Mass Effect - the only real choice that they've stuck to is the very choice that has junked the galaxy, as it is likely that all the races are going to make an appearance regardless of what choices we made.
So wooo, choice in Mass Effect - it's great on a superficial level and makes for an enjoyable game, but it being the central tenet? Not in my opinion (which is all it is, to save the endless merry go round which will probably occur after this to the point of tedium).
It matters because some of us would like the setting to take itself seriously. And not just use handwaves to get around difficult plot points.
No it doesn't matter because you have already clearly stated in the past that you are against the entire idea of Bioware moving to Andromeda. And you entire opinion based argument isn't about creating a RATIONAL explanation it is about trying to convince people there is NO rational explanation so bioware MUST do as you demand and keep the setting in the Milky way.
So cry me a river about your stand against "handwaving" pffft no one believes you. I mean you are the guy who refuse to provided evidence for your position because I was a big meanie and complained that you never provide evidence for your position. lol.
the "I was gonna do it until you complained i never do it so now i won't," is how you win arguments on the playground not adult conversations.
Players who enjoy immersion. I can't immerse myself in a universe that doesn't even make logical sense to me.
Why are you on ME forums again?
No it doesn't matter because you have already clearly stated in the past that you are against the entire idea of Bioware moving to Andromeda. And you entire opinion based argument isn't about creating a RATIONAL explanation it is about trying to convince people there is NO rational explanation so bioware MUST do as you demand and keep the setting in the Milky way.
So cry me a river about your stand against "handwaving" pffft no one believes you. I mean you are the guy who refuse to provided evidence for your position because I was a big meanie and complained that you never provide evidence for your position. lol.
the "I was gonna do it until you complained i never do it so now i won't," is how you win arguments on the playground not adult conversations.
I would beg to question that there is also no rational explanation for them moving to Andromeda. Well that is wrong but most people don't like hearing it, its like religion or politics or anything people don't like hearing. Bioware although let that ship sail on the SS Artistic Integrity with the Extended Cut. Lets just say I seen better endings fanfic written for ME3 than what we got and that doesnt includes the Extended Cut but one can say that is just apart of the ending too.
I mean just look at the Mass Effect series itself and examine it a but more, Iakus explaination for why we can stay in the MW is also located there. Of course the endings were never fixed and that is the main reason we can't stay. Mass Effect Andromeda, the galactic move because Bioware doesn't know their own lore for games they make.
But overall we can't stay in the MW because of BS reasons. Milky Way is too familiar and The Milky Way is a wasteland after the endings.
The laziest solution is a one way ticket wormhole to Andromeda.
Why are you on ME forums again?
Because i enjoy mass effect and enjoy discussing it. Same reason why everyone is here.
But you said you can't enjoy a universe that doesn't make logical sense.
But you said you can't enjoy a universe that doesn't make logical sense.
Except everything largely does make logical sense in the mass effect universe.
Does it?
http://forum.bioware...ont-make-sense/ - 40+ pages.
You choose to ignore pile of inconsistency trilogy has gathered because you liked the game, but you keep picking on things which aren't even there yet, because you don't like the premise. That's called hypocrisy, my friend.
In soviet batarian empire we don't come to andromeda, andromeda come to us.
We will probably get to Andromeda via spaceship
The majority of things in that thread is nitpicking at best, and largely draws comparison to the real world which doesnt make sense in the slightest when drawing comparison (apples to oranges) but i think you knew that already. Nothing in the trilogy (except cerberus bringing shepard back from the dead) was that far fetched by mass effect standards. Inventing a secret intergalactic Ark out of thin air is not logical or even remotely plausible in any universe.Does it?
http://forum.bioware...ont-make-sense/ - 40+ pages.
You choose to ignore pile of inconsistency trilogy has gathered because you liked the game, but you keep picking on things which aren't even there yet, because you don't like the premise. That's called hypocrisy, my friend.
The laziest solution is a one way ticket wormhole to Andromeda.
I hope they don't go for the lazy one-way or two-way magic door approach.
I'd much prefer something which really gets across the scale, time, danger and cost of the enterprise, which would explain why any colonists wouldn't be keen to replicate unless in dire need
The majority of things in that thread is nitpicking at best, and largely draws comparison to the real world which doesnt make sense in the slightest when drawing comparison (apples to oranges) but i think you knew that already. Nothing in the trilogy (except cerberus bringing shepard back from the dead) was that far fetched by mass effect standards.
"I'll be running around and getting criminal status only to find a way to sneak few geth and krogans into Citadel, because I've lost my Spectre pass"
"I'll build Human Reaper, so it'll succeed where Nazara failed. I even gave it a third eye to be sure"
"I kill you, so you don't kill yourselves" (that's pretty logical though, I give him that)
Inventing a secret intergalactic Ark out of thin air is not logical or even remotely plausible in any universe.
Inventing something is illogical? I don't even...
out of thin air
You don't know anything about how it was done. You know only what Shepard knew. Everything in ME is "out of thin air", because it's fiction. Biotics, Mass Relays, indoctrination, FTL, quantum communication...
I find it hard to suspend my disbelief when elvish long ears start cropping up. Or Santa Claus and constant bell-ringing in XMas songs, lol. Just ignore the bullshit and go with the stuff you like.
It matters because some of us would like the setting to take itself seriously. And not just use handwaves to get around difficult plot points.
It's never taken itself extremely seriously before (a good thing IMO) and the plot has more holes than a lovely piece of Emmantal; saying they space-magicked their way to Andromeda is no worse than half the stuff already in the games. It's not going to make any real difference to the game itself, the specifics of how the Ark got there ... so, I still don't believe it matters, not really.
If the game's good the back-story can be as daft as it likes - if the game's bad the back-story is entirely irrelevant.
Players who enjoy immersion. I can't immerse myself in a universe that doesn't even make logical sense to me.
... but very little of Mass Effect made any logical sense, you just accept the nonsense and go along for the ride.
Go read the article on space.com called "What is a wormhole?". Theoretically a wormhole could be created by a collapsing star, and stabilized by 'exotic' matter with a negative pressure. Gee... have we ever seen a collapsing star caused by a dark energy anywhere in Mass Effect? Maybe Tali would know of a place.
However, its also theorized that introduction of regular matter might then destabilize a wormhole...
Yeah... I don't know if you could posssibly set it up any better in the game than this.
Haestrom's Star -> collapsing due to dark energy -> would be stable until something made of regular matter went through it.
Boom. One way trip for a ship. You don't need reaper level tech to pull it off either.
I'm not sure if anybody mentioned this before but imo this is the space magic that is going to happen.
Go read the article on space.com called "What is a wormhole?". Theoretically a wormhole could be created by a collapsing star, and stabilized by 'exotic' matter with a negative pressure. Gee... have we ever seen a collapsing star caused by a dark energy anywhere in Mass Effect? Maybe Tali would know of a place.
However, its also theorized that introduction of regular matter might then destabilize a wormhole...
Yeah... I don't know if you could posssibly set it up any better in the game than this.
Haestrom's Star -> collapsing due to dark energy -> would be stable until something made of regular matter went through it.
Boom. One way trip for a ship. You don't need reaper level tech to pull it off either.
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