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[Ahriman]

I'm not sure if anybody mentioned this before but imo this is the space magic that is going to happen.

 

Big boy shown in N7 trailer won't fit in there. The thing is probably in Andromeda.

[Catastrophy]

Big boy shown in N7 trailer won't fit in there. The thing is probably in Andromeda.

How would you know how large the objects are? And look at the perspectivity - it's all wrong. The inside is glowing weirdly and it could well be that the inside is bigger than the outside. Also later. Probably.

[Ahriman]

How would you know how large the objects are?

By rocket-like thing near to it. I doubt somebody build Ark-sized scout ship.

[Catastrophy]

By rocket-like thing near to it. I doubt somebody build Ark-sized scout ship.

There is no scale information in the pics so they could be any size. Also it's concept art...

[Atomkick]

Big boy shown in N7 trailer won't fit in there. The thing is probably in Andromeda.

 

LOL!

 

[Iakus]

... but very little of Mass Effect made any logical sense, you just accept the nonsense and go along for the ride.

I require more than "If you push a button something awesome has to happen"

[pdusen]

To say, "I know enough about <setting> to say that <thing> is 100% impossible under any circumstances" is both wrong and flat-out arrogant.

There are some very wrong and arrogant people in this thread.

[Arcian]

Mass relays are just a plot device.

With well-defined properties, functions and limitations.

[Nitrocuban]

I require more than "If you push a button something awesome has to happen"

Buttom -> awesome

Always was and always will be TEH core of ME's artistic vision.

And Space Magic. With boobs.

[Arcian]

 

Options discussed: 

 

• Mass Relay solution
• Standard FTL cores
• Reaper FTL cores
• Space magic
• Andromeda/Milky way collision. 

On the whole, id like to have an actual practical solution for making this journey. Im pretty sure a plot device is going to explain that away, but since physics are actually a thing, id like to theorise how the journey could be completed by using already existing technology in the mass effect universe. 

Short answer: It can't.

 

Long answer: The journey is made impossible by a combination of limited drive speeds, inadequate heat sink tech, lack of discharge sites along the way, the immense food/supplies/fuel/power storage required for a 500 year uninterrupted FTL journey and the exponentially infinite FTL drive power requirements to ship mass ratio required to build a ship that can actually sustain 10+ generations of viable populations of every significant species in the Milky Way.

 

BioWare's writers are no longer smart enough to write real science fiction because all the smarts and talent has abandoned the sinking ship.

[Killroy]

The majority of things in that thread is nitpicking at best, and largely draws comparison to the real world which doesnt make sense in the slightest when drawing comparison (apples to oranges) but i think you knew that already. Nothing in the trilogy (except cerberus bringing shepard back from the dead) was that far fetched by mass effect standards. Inventing a secret intergalactic Ark out of thin air is not logical or even remotely plausible in any universe.

 

Oh, for the love of...

 

Finding the Crucible plans at the last possible second in a data cache that had already been scoured for decades? The Catalyst being in the CItadel the entire time yet never lifting a finger to assist the Reapers? The logic of "Yo dawg, I heard you didn't want to be killed by synthetics so I made some synthetics to kill you so you won't be killed by synthetics." The entire premise of "the suicide mission" after going up against the galaxy's biggest badass, his army of robots, and a freakin' Reaper with a single squad of 5 people and a stealth ship with limited weapons? 

 

Your hypocrisy is showing...

[Killroy]

Short answer: It can't.

 

Long answer: The journey is made impossible by a combination of limited drive speeds, inadequate heat sink tech, lack of discharge sites along the way, the immense food/supplies/fuel/power storage required for a 500 year uninterrupted FTL journey and the exponentially infinite FTL drive power requirements to ship mass ratio required to build a ship that can actually sustain 10+ generations of viable populations of every significant species in the Milky Way.

 

BioWare's writers are no longer smart enough to write real science fiction because all the smarts and talent has abandoned the sinking ship.

 

Irony, thy name is Arcian. 

[Iakus]

To say, "I know enough about <setting> to say that <thing> is 100% impossible under any circumstances" is both wrong and flat-out arrogant.

There are some very wrong and arrogant people in this thread.

It doesn't have to be "under any circumstances" The circumstances that matter are "as of the Mass Effect trilogy".  And under those circumstances, it is impossible barring the introduction of some outside force.

 

Could such a force be introduced?  Sure!  Could it be done in a way that isn't incredibly contrived?  Much harder question to answer.  Certainly harder to accomplish.

 

It's not arrogance to actually familiarize oneself with the setting. 

[Andrew Lucas]

Except everything largely does make logical sense in the mass effect universe.

The guy didn't.... please, that didn't happen.

[Andrew Lucas]

No it doesn't matter because you have already clearly stated in the past that you are against the entire idea of Bioware moving to Andromeda. And you entire opinion based argument isn't about creating a RATIONAL explanation it is about trying to convince people there is NO rational explanation so bioware MUST do as you demand and keep the setting in the Milky way.
 
So cry me a river about your stand against "handwaving" pffft no one believes you. I mean you are the guy who refuse to provided evidence for your position because I was a big meanie and complained that you never provide evidence for your position. lol.
 
the "I was gonna do it until you complained i never do it so now i won't," is how you win arguments on the playground not adult conversations.

Kinda hot here, isn't it? On point.

[Arcian]

Science, thy name is Arcian. 

FTFY.

[shepskisaac]

*looks at N7 day trailer*

 

*sees the Ark cruising to Andromeda*

 

Why are we even considering wormholes or galaxy collisions lol? If that's how it happen they wouldn't have the Ark slowly cruising between 2 galaxies in the trailer.

[Iakus]

*looks at N7 day trailer*

 

*sees the Ark cruising to Andromeda*

 

Why are we even considering wormholes or galaxy collisions lol? If that's how it happen they wouldn't have the Ark slowly cruising between 2 galaxies in the trailer.

Desperate hope that it doesn't represent the final product?

[Killroy]

*looks at N7 day trailer*

 

*sees the Ark cruising to Andromeda*

 

Why are we even considering wormholes or galaxy collisions lol? If that's how it happen they wouldn't have the Ark slowly cruising between 2 galaxies in the trailer.

 

And Shepard broke a champagne bottle on the side of the Ark after giving her crew a pep talk before departure, right? That's not a trailer, it's fanservice that gave us our first look at the Ark.

[Arcian]

*looks at N7 day trailer*

 

*sees the Ark cruising to Andromeda*

 

Why are we even considering wormholes or galaxy collisions lol? If that's how it happen they wouldn't have the Ark slowly cruising between 2 galaxies in the trailer.

If BioWare gave a damn they wouldn't pull an idea as retarded as an intergalactic ark.

[AntarcticWildlife]

I'm not sure if anybody mentioned this before but imo this is the space magic that is going to happen.

One of the first things i mentioned in the video linked in the first post of this thread

[AntarcticWildlife]

The guy didn't.... please, that didn't happen.

I mean as far as mass effect logic goes. Obviously not when comparing to the real world but thats not what i was getting at.

[Gothfather]

I would beg to question that there is also no rational explanation for them moving to Andromeda. Well that is wrong but most people don't like hearing it, its like religion or politics or anything people don't like hearing. Bioware although let that ship sail on the SS Artistic Integrity with the Extended Cut. Lets just say I seen better endings fanfic written for ME3 than what we got and that doesnt includes the Extended Cut but one can say that is just apart of the ending too. 

 

I mean just look at the Mass Effect series itself and examine it a but more, Iakus explaination for why we can stay in the MW is also located there. Of course the endings were never fixed and that is the main reason we can't stay. Mass Effect Andromeda, the galactic move because Bioware doesn't know their own lore for games they make. 

 

But overall we can't stay in the MW because of BS reasons. Milky Way is too familiar and The Milky Way is a wasteland after the endings. 

No there is a very RATIONAL explanation it has zero to do with BS reasons. You may disagree with the reason but that doesn't make it BS or irrational.

 

There are too many mutually exclusive endings to ME3. This has zero to do with if you liked the endings or any other fan QQ. The endings are what they are and it is well past time fans stop acting like spoiled brats and move on. There is no story that could be written post star brat conversation that could include all endings. There is no story that can include a reaper victory, while at the same time have all reapers dead yet controlled by god Shepard in a galaxy where all organic life is part synthetic and all synthetic life is part organic. You can't do it.

 

The entire wah wah wah crowd about Bioware moving to Andromeda is a push to get Bioware to create a canon ending and not just any ending but a canon ending THEY want. ME3 is OVER getting butt hurt over a 4 year old game is childish. The endings are widely panned and that's that. Nothing is going to "redeem" the endings. And it is unreasonable to expect Bioware to "fix" them. Only gamers would expect an entertainment media to fix an ending. because they behave like toddlers not adults. Most people pan the ending of the matrix trilogy but rational people don't expect them to fix the fraking ending.

 

 

Moving the mass effect franchise allows Bioware to keep the mass effect franchise going without saying 3 out of 4 possible endings are null and void. AND frankly there is no reason to force players to accept a cannon ending. It is time gamers started to nut up and accept that ME3 is over. Mass effect was a ground breaking series and they learned a great deal by doing it but it wasn't perfect accept this. Sometimes a book or movie trilogy has a bad ending gamers need to stop the hissy fits and accept that the endings were bad, at least to a majority of people, and grow up and move on.

 

Stop pissing into the wind and complaining of getting wet. ME:A IS in the Andromeda galaxy and bioware has already stated they will never canonize a ME3 ending because THEY feel it serves no purpose as it nullifies 75% of the possible endings and bioware has zero desire to make all those players that picked 75% of the endings to get the shaft. Me3 will always have the ending choice you want, even if the endings themself were rather meh. This is BIOWARE'S position they are the developer EA supports this position so gamers need to...

 

 

DEAL.

 

WITH.

 

IT.

 

[Gothfather]

Go read the article on space.com called "What is a wormhole?".    Theoretically a wormhole could be created by a collapsing star, and stabilized by 'exotic' matter with a negative pressure.    Gee... have we ever seen a collapsing star caused by a dark energy anywhere in Mass Effect?  Maybe Tali would know of a place.  

 

However, its also theorized that introduction of regular matter might then destabilize a wormhole... 

 

Yeah... I don't know if you could posssibly set it up any better in the game than this. 

 

Haestrom's Star -> collapsing due to dark energy -> would be stable until something made of regular matter went through it.  

 

Boom.   One way trip for a ship.   You don't need reaper level tech to pull it off either.  

 

 

No see that ruins the whole point of the nay sayers position that they can't go to andomeda period without hand waving because they want the game to have integrity thus forcing Bioware to keep it in the Milky way forcing them to canonize an ending. But not just any ending the one that they approve of. lol

 

Stop showing how real life contemporary theories, let alone theories 200 years from now, could explain how we got to Andromeda that are not handwaving because you are ruining the plan.

[Iakus]

Go read the article on space.com called "What is a wormhole?".    Theoretically a wormhole could be created by a collapsing star, and stabilized by 'exotic' matter with a negative pressure.    Gee... have we ever seen a collapsing star caused by a dark energy anywhere in Mass Effect?  Maybe Tali would know of a place.  

 

However, its also theorized that introduction of regular matter might then destabilize a wormhole... 

 

Yeah... I don't know if you could posssibly set it up any better in the game than this. 

 

Haestrom's Star -> collapsing due to dark energy -> would be stable until something made of regular matter went through it.  

 

Boom.   One way trip for a ship.   You don't need reaper level tech to pull it off either.  

That is an interesting idea.  Not unllike that volus scientist using eezo to turn black holes into relays thing.  Only backed by more genuine science.

 

However, it does leave a question of why send one (or more than one, more likely) colony ships through a wormhole that's almost certain to be a one-way trip.  A team of scientists and military personnel like Stargate: Atlantis who are willing to take such risks FOR SCIENCE! I could see.  But civilians?  Kids?  

 

Would this be some evacuation form the Reaper invasion?  Reapers are closing in and everyone from nearby colonies is gathering, Battlestar Galactica-like for a mass exodus to "anywhere not here"? 

 

Okay, I can see that.  Might even justify an AI on the team if one was being used to study the wormhole.