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[Miserybot]

I imagine getting to Andromeda will involve flying. And space ships.

[AntarcticWildlife]

A mysterious technology that can open instant wormholes or fold space.

I bet on the second.

So.... space magic?

[Helios969]

So.... space magic?

As opposed to space magic?

[Chealec]

I didn't read half of what you wrote because you failed to understand that the Reason for going to Andromeda is because of the ME3 endings and because they were never fixed. Bioware failed to fix their own endings. 

 

I will be a bit more shorter too so you understand better.  ME3 Endings not being fix but rather smeared, extend cut, is the reason and only reason we are going to Andromeda. Politically speaking they don't wanna touch that because its been sitting too long rotting. The endings were also never fixed because it would mean they would be acknowledging the fact they sold us a incomplete game not to mention Bioware forgot about their lore. 

 

So to be clear Andromeda because of ME3 endings simple and gets to the bottom. No elaborate reason other than ME3 Ending for why we are going to Andromeda. I am sorry you don't see that as clearly as I and only Andromeda being a good game can get me to not remember about the ME3 endings a bit more. I have a fond memory of wanting to do a trilogy run until I graced myself upon those endings, making ME3 only great for its MP. 

 

Ok before I hit post let me repeat:

 

Andromeda is because of ME3 Ending,  no other good reason but that. 

 

 

Had you read the post you'd have realised that's exactly what was being said.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

... plus the usual insults about cry-baby entitled gamers of course.

[AlleyD]

I didn't read half of what you wrote because you failed to understand that the Reason for going to Andromeda is because of the ME3 endings and because they were never fixed. Bioware failed to fix their own endings. 

 

I will be a bit more shorter too so you understand better.  ME3 Endings not being fix but rather smeared, extend cut, is the reason and only reason we are going to Andromeda. Politically speaking they don't wanna touch that because its been sitting too long rotting. The endings were also never fixed because it would mean they would be acknowledging the fact they sold us a incomplete game not to mention Bioware forgot about their lore. 

 

So to be clear Andromeda because of ME3 endings simple and gets to the bottom. No elaborate reason other than ME3 Ending for why we are going to Andromeda. I am sorry you don't see that as clearly as I and only Andromeda being a good game can get me to not remember about the ME3 endings a bit more. I have a fond memory of wanting to do a trilogy run until I graced myself upon those endings, making ME3 only great for its MP. 

 

Ok before I hit post let me repeat:

 

Andromeda is because of ME3 Ending,  no other good reason but that. 

 

I think that the ending gets all the flak, but the situation of the Reapers Invasion probably had more impact on the IP. They were ridiculously O/P setup in ME1 and having a fleet of them invade the Galaxy set-up a wasteland scenario that might have not have been worth rebuilding from.

 

I am 100% OK with the switch, I didn't think the MW was such a perfect construction at any point to get attached to it, and I know that staying in the MW would be creatively restrictive because of how attached people were to the characters.Mass Effect MW had turned into a playground for the Shepard effect and hanging all that one one single character was maybe a silly thing to do with a Galaxy of story potential.

 

This time around, I hope they have a broader IP strategy, wider cast of characters and build up the galaxy slowly, not rush right across it.

[Vortex13]

A practical way to get from the Milky Way to Andromeda huh? 

 

Well I know of one way that would be perfectly stable and completely self sufficient on top of being a completely badass way to make an entrance once the voyagers arrive in the new galaxy. This method would also not require any brand new "never seen before" technological achievement to accomplish either. 

 

 

A Stellar Engine.

 

 

Set up shop around a star, one with a suitable planet or resource rich asteroid belt orbiting it, and you are good to go. No need to worry about space, food and water, or static discharge. Just sit back, relax and enjoy the view. Then, once the pilgrims have made it to Andromeda they can wow the natives with their god-like capability of moving entire star systems to suit their needs.

[Iakus]

A practical way to get from the Milky Way to Andromeda huh? 

 

Well I know of one way that would be perfectly stable and completely self sufficient on top of being a completely badass way to make an entrance once the voyagers arrive in the new galaxy. This method would also not require any brand new "never seen before" technological achievement to accomplish either. 

 

 

A Stellar Engine.

 

 

Set up shop around a star, one with a suitable planet or resource rich asteroid belt orbiting it, and you are good to go. No need to worry about space, food and water, or static discharge. Just sit back, relax and enjoy the view. Then, once the pilgrims have made it to Andromeda they can wow the natives with their god-like capability of moving entire star systems to suit their needs.

The geth might be able to pull something like this off.  But how m any millions of years would a trip to Andromeda in one of those things take?

[Vortex13]

The geth might be able to pull something like this off.  But how m any millions of years would a trip to Andromeda in one of those things take?

 

 

The rest of the galaxy could accomplish something like this easily enough as well.

 

The Turians have the capability to produce industrial mass effect generators strong enough to hold an atmosphere on a small moon. The Salarians have the knowhow to build a structure capable of redirecting vast amounts of sunlight and radiation away from a (roughly) Earth sized planet. And the Asari are capable of building an equator sized version of the Large Hadron Collider. Surely their combined efforts would be more than enough to create and maintain a Stellar Engine around a small white or brown dwarf star.

 

 

As for the long travel time, yeah that's an issue, but who's to say that the Turians couldn't use a few dozen of those massive mass effect generators to lower the mass of a star enough to get the system moving on a more reasonable timescale?

[DarthSliver]

Had you read the post you'd have realised that's exactly what was being said.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

... plus the usual insults about cry-baby entitled gamers of course.

 

I mean their response to my post seems because I mentioned the forbidden endings and the quote they quoted of my post in that one post I pretty much said it was the endings not being fixed why we are going to Andromeda. So because they failed to hear me I thought I should make a post repeating myself over and over so it was clear that I thought the only reason for Andromeda was because of ME3 endings.

 

With all 3 games in mind there is nopractical reason expect ME3 Endings, so we must hope that Bioware can write in a good reason since we know they are likely avoiding the ME3 ending controveristy. Of course I suspected we will hear alot more on the ME3 endings after people play Andromeda since we still do hear about them to this very day. 

 

Also take note on my first sentence in that quote, I didn't read what I quoted henced why I deleted it out lol.

[shepskisaac]

Your argument is really dumb.
-Shepard sending the Ark on it's way is not real or indicative of anything in the game, but the Ark slowly drifting through space is exactly how it gets it to Andromeda.
-The effect of showing the Ark traveling through a wormhole would be as simple as ctrl+v "wormhole picture" and adding a whoosh sound, without any effort or money required.
-There is zero chance that the Ark is headed for a wormhole in the N7 Day fanservice trailer.

It's nonsensical at best.

- yeah because even if wasn Shepard, someone else delivered an inspirational goodbye speech to the Ark team before they took off so Shepard's speech in the trailer is indicative of the Ark's departure. Just as the Ark slowly moving in between galaxies is indicative of conventional travel, not wormhole

- this gotta be your dumbest "argument" yet. It's not an hugely complex thing to do to animate effect of wormhole travel for a short trailer, try 40 years ago, then it was tough. And even if it was expensive and complex, you're talking a game with massive budget for developement and marketing, ain't no one at EA would be counting coins and ordering conventional travel in trailer because "wormhole is too expensive" lol

 

You're really trying to put a "lalala totally wormhole" blinders on and avoid looking at what was officially released.

[Iakus]

The rest of the galaxy could accomplish something like this easily enough as well.

 

The Turians have the capability to produce industrial mass effect generators strong enough to hold an atmosphere on a small moon. The Salarians have the knowhow to build a structure capable of redirecting vast amounts of sunlight and radiation away from a (roughly) Earth sized planet. And the Asari are capable of building an equator sized version of the Large Hadron Collider. Surely their combined efforts would be more than enough to create and maintain a Stellar Engine around a small white or brown dwarf star.

 

 

As for the long travel time, yeah that's an issue, but who's to say that the Turians couldn't use a few dozen of those massive mass effect generators to lower the mass of a star enough to get the system moving on a more reasonable timescale?

Okay, the question then becomes:  Why?  With so many stars and planets in the galaxy, why set out to explore another galaxy on a timescale that dwarfs even an asari lifetime?  Something that could literally be measured in geological terms?

 

Besides being able to say "Hey, check out my cool star-chariot?" And have an excuse to draw red go-fast stripes on entire continents   

[Iakus]

 

You're really trying to put a "lalala totally wormhole" blinders on and avoid looking at what was officially released.

I'm not exactly a fan of wormhole theories myself.  But I have to say they are the "least dumb" explanations I've heard for travelling to Andromeda, regardless of what N7 Day showed us.

[shepskisaac]

I'm not exactly a fan of wormhole theories myself.  But I have to say they are the "least dumb" explanations I've heard for travelling to Andromeda, regardless of what N7 Day showed us.

While also being most convinient/contrived and outta nowhere option just because the plot demands it. So there's a good and a bad part to it.

[Killroy]

- yeah because even if wasn Shepard, someone else delivered an inspirational goodbye speech to the Ark team before they took off so Shepard's speech in the trailer is indicative of the Ark's departure. Just as the Ark slowly moving in between galaxies is indicative of conventional travel, not wormhole

- this gotta be your dumbest "argument" yet. It's not an hugely complex thing to do to animate effect of wormhole travel for a short trailer, try 40 years ago, then it was tough. And even if it was expensive and complex, you're talking a game with massive budget for developement and marketing, ain't no one at EA would be counting coins and ordering conventional travel in trailer because "wormhole is too expensive" lol

 

You're really trying to put a "lalala totally wormhole" blinders on and avoid looking at what was officially released.

 

There's no point in continuing this. Any argument is well over your head. 

[Iakus]

While also being most convinient/contrived and outta nowhere option just because the plot demands it. So there's a good and a bad part to it.

I never said otherwise.  Just that it strikes me as "least bad"

[Elhanan]

Based on the remnants of Reaper tech, there is now true FTL travel available. Or we simply hitch a ride on a Leviathan....

[shepskisaac]

Based on the remnants of Reaper tech, there is now true FTL travel available. Or we simply hitch a ride on a Leviathan....

Speaing of which, what are the chances Levis already bailed to Andromeda million of years ago?

[Iakus]

Speaing of which, what are the chances Levis already bailed to Andromeda million of years ago?

That would be interesting.

 

Especially if it meant they built a relay from the MW to Andromeda in the meantime.

[MrFob]

Wow, I am glad I left yesterday and didn't get into an argument with Killroy because it looks like this got nasty fairly quickly )quite a lot of aggression in the air, given such a trivial subject but ok).

 

Here is what I am thinking:

By last November they probably (hopefully) already knew how we were going to get to Andromeda. Let's say they decided it would be a wormhole, it would strike me as funny if they then start to make a new animation/video, rendering a completely different scenario of which they already know that it's not going to happen. I mean, I know the trailer team is not really the dev team but marketing but there is probably some form of communication going on, is that not reasonable? If this were super early in development, that would be one thing but they must already have nailed these things down by now.

 

Now, having the most prolific voice actress of the successful earlier games VO the trailer, even if Shep has nothing to do with the ARK in the game (which by the way we don't know for sure either), that's one thing. Marketing wanted some known quantity in there, so they got Jen Hale to say a few lines. But making an animation from scratch that goes in a completely different direction than the actual plan, that I would find odd because it's a much more deliberate act of fairly pointless deception which BW trailers are not known for.

 

It doesn't matter whether a wormhole makes more sense than conventional travel or what is the easiest option to invent some technobabble for. That doesn't even factor into it. It's also not really a cost related issues as far as I can see, making one animation wouldn't really cost more than another. I know Killroy will now probably argue that this was done to get the gist (we are going from MW to Andromeda) across, which is fair enough but you could do it in any number of ways even without that shot.

 

That's the only reason why I am skeptical about us getting there by any other means than taking a ship through dark space. We'll see what happens in the end, maybe I'm wrong but IMO, the trailer indicates this very strongly.

 

Short version: I don't think the argument "a trailer by BW showing a ship traveling through dark space is indicative of us going to travel through dark space in a ship" is non-sensical, no?

[Vortex13]

Okay, the question then becomes:  Why?  With so many stars and planets in the galaxy, why set out to explore another galaxy on a timescale that dwarfs even an asari lifetime?  Something that could literally be measured in geological terms?

 

Besides being able to say "Hey, check out my cool star-chariot?" And have an excuse to draw red go-fast stripes on entire continents   

 

Why? Because it's science that's why! 

 

Plus, out of all the other possibilities mentioned here a Stellar Engine actually would require the least amount of 'space magic' to explain given what is known and established in the current setting. Developing a complete understanding of Reaper drive tech, utilizing wormholes, creating our own cycle's version of an omni direction mass relay with engines strapped on it, etc. All of these possibilities require varying degrees of handwaving to explain how they are suddenly possible. 

 

Also, the Stellar Engine's host star wouldn't be the primary vehicle of exploring Andromeda, its just the means that the Milky Way travelers would use to get there. Once it arrives to the target galaxy they could park it in interstellar space and boom, instant home system with its own established infrastructure and supply lines. 

[MrFob]

Why? Because it's science that's why! 

 

You clearly weren't serious but just for the record, that's not exactly how (proper) science works.

Scientific research usually starts from observation which prompts a hypothesis. Then you perform experiments to prove your hypothesis. It's not based on the approach "we do this because we can and see what happens" (unless it's Aperture Science ).

 

If it turns out that we go to Andromeda purely for scientific purposes, I would expect there to be a specific reason associated with it.

 

Same by the way if it's colonization or exploration. Colonies are not built/Expeditions are not sent to be independent, they are created for economical gain of the mother nation. If the MW people send guys into Andromeda without the expectation of them coming back and bringing back something of value in a reasonable time frame, I'd have to question the sanity of the project as well.

 

Personally, I still expect we'll flee from the reapers though. If that's the case, it's not really an issue.

[FKA_Servo]

Why? Because it's science that's why! 

 

Plus, out of all the other possibilities mentioned here a Stellar Engine actually would require the least amount of 'space magic' to explain given what is known and established in the current setting. Developing a complete understanding of Reaper drive tech, utilizing wormholes, creating our own cycle's version of an omni direction mass relay with engines strapped on it, etc. All of these possibilities require varying degrees of handwaving to explain how they are suddenly possible. 

 

Also, the Stellar Engine's host star wouldn't be the primary vehicle of exploring Andromeda, its just the means that the Milky Way travelers would use to get there. Once it arrives to the target galaxy they could park it in interstellar space and boom, instant home system with its own established infrastructure and supply lines. 

 

It's actually an incredibly cool idea, but WRT the bolded - am I completely insane and alone in thinking that this is still the most plausible, least handwavey way they could go about it? There's already precedent in the games for co-opting reaper tech, and it still seems to be the easiest, most reasonable way of going about it.

 

Although something something leviathans could work well enough too, depending on how they went about it. Based on my memory of the DLC though, they seem so inscrutable and isolationist that the idea of them lending assistance to an exodus from the MW seems less likely to me than just picking apart a dead reaper or two and learning what makes them tick.

[Caldari Ghost]

NASA

http://www.space.com...n-galaxies.html

thanks for the link.

[AntarcticWildlife]

It's actually an incredibly cool idea, but WRT the bolded - am I completely insane and alone in thinking that this is still the most plausible, least handwavey way they could go about it? There's already precedent in the games for co-opting reaper tech, and it still seems to be the easiest, most reasonable way of going about it.

Although something something leviathans could work well enough too, depending on how they went about it. Based on my memory of the DLC though, they seem so inscrutable and isolationist that the idea of them lending assistance to an exodus from the MW seems less likely to me than just picking apart a dead reaper or two and learning what makes them tick.

No, infact that was the conclusion i came too in the video on the OP of this thread.

https://youtu.be/mpQBcVhK4Es

[Vortex13]

It's actually an incredibly cool idea, but WRT the bolded - am I completely insane and alone in thinking that this is still the most plausible, least handwavey way they could go about it? There's already precedent in the games for co-opting reaper tech, and it still seems to be the easiest, most reasonable way of going about it.

 

Although something something leviathans could work well enough too, depending on how they went about it. Based on my memory of the DLC though, they seem so inscrutable and isolationist that the idea of them lending assistance to an exodus from the MW seems less likely to me than just picking apart a dead reaper or two and learning what makes them tick.

 

Thanks, though I can't take credit for the base concept itself, I just stumbled upon the idea when I was looking into real world plans for possibly traveling to another galaxy.

 

Reverse engineering Reaper tech certainly has a precedence in the games, but mastering something that "completely violates the laws of all known physics" vs. utilizing the resources of a vast interstellar society to achieve something that we can draw up plans for now in the modern day is definitely more space magic-y. Reaper drive tech would most likely be the second most plausible, but it will still require a copious amount of handwaving to establish compared to a concept that is grounded in existing, real world physics. 

 

Really, the only bit science fiction that a Mass Effect version of the Stellar Engine would need in order to be viable is getting it up to speed in a reasonable amount of time, but we already have the established rule of Ezo and the effecting of an object's mass as part of the groundwork of the entire franchise.