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[AlleyD]

The rest of the galaxy could accomplish something like this easily enough as well.

 

The Turians have the capability to produce industrial mass effect generators strong enough to hold an atmosphere on a small moon. The Salarians have the knowhow to build a structure capable of redirecting vast amounts of sunlight and radiation away from a (roughly) Earth sized planet. And the Asari are capable of building an equator sized version of the Large Hadron Collider. Surely their combined efforts would be more than enough to create and maintain a Stellar Engine around a small white or brown dwarf star.

 

 

As for the long travel time, yeah that's an issue, but who's to say that the Turians couldn't use a few dozen of those massive mass effect generators to lower the mass of a star enough to get the system moving on a more reasonable timescale?

Reading up on Stellar Engines all seem to need technologies and materials investments that are beyond the races in the MEU. An ARK would need both Propulsion (Type A ) and the ability to support an environment and generate energy (Type which combine

The largest structure in the MEU is quoted as the Susskind Super Collidor, it surrounds a planer and took hundreds of years to construct. The only dyson device listed is the Geth, and that is also Planet sized. Stellar engines require stars to be surrounded

 

But this article might have some solution. Hitch into an already escaping, or hypervelocity star, or use the gravitational force of the Galactic Core as a slingshot.

 

 

http://news.discover...is-possible.htm

[FKA_Servo]

Thanks, though I can't take credit for the base concept itself, I just stumbled upon the idea when I was looking into real world plans for possibly traveling to another galaxy.

 

Reverse engineering Reaper tech certainly has a precedence in the games, but mastering something that "completely violates the laws of all known physics" vs. utilizing the resources of a vast interstellar society to achieve something that we can draw up plans for now in the modern day is definitely more space magic-y. Reaper drive tech would most likely be the second most plausible, but it will still require a copious amount of handwaving to establish compared to a concept that is grounded in existing, real world physics. 

 

Really, the only bit science fiction that a Mass Effect version of the Stellar Engine would need in order to be viable is getting it up to speed in a reasonable amount of time, but we already have the established rule of Ezo and the effecting of an object's mass as part of the groundwork of the entire franchise. 

 

Yep - the wiki was an interesting read.

 

Although it also seems like an endeavor like that would be orders of magnitude larger than the crucible - or an ark ship, or both at the same time for that matter. Which isn't a huge problem necessarily - I've said earlier in this thread that even with the crucible effort, I think there are plenty of resources left over for something else to happen concurrently. But this sounds bigger than what I was thinking.

 

As far as violating all "known" physics - well, I still don't think that close study of some reapers leading to some breakthroughs (and expanding the scope of "known" physics) in a reasonably short amount of time stretches credibility at all. Again, the collectors were building one in ME2.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

thanks for the link.

You're welcome.

[Gothfather]

No there is a very RATIONAL explanation it has zero to do with BS reasons. You may disagree with the reason but that doesn't make it BS or irrational.

 

There are too many mutually exclusive endings to ME3. This has zero to do with if you liked the endings or any other fan QQ. The endings are what they are and it is well past time fans stop acting like spoiled brats and move on. There is no story that could be written post star brat conversation that could include all endings. There is no story that can include a reaper victory, while at the same time have all reapers dead yet controlled by god Shepard in a galaxy where all organic life is part synthetic and all synthetic life is part organic. You can't do it.

 

The entire wah wah wah crowd about Bioware moving to Andromeda is a push to get Bioware to create a canon ending and not just any ending but a canon ending THEY want. ME3 is OVER getting butt hurt over a 4 year old game is childish. The endings are widely panned and that's that. Nothing is going to "redeem" the endings. And it is unreasonable to expect Bioware to "fix" them. Only gamers would expect an entertainment media to fix an ending. because they behave like toddlers not adults. Most people pan the ending of the matrix trilogy but rational people don't expect them to fix the fraking ending.

 

 

Moving the mass effect franchise allows Bioware to keep the mass effect franchise going without saying 3 out of 4 possible endings are null and void. AND frankly there is no reason to force players to accept a cannon ending. It is time gamers started to nut up and accept that ME3 is over. Mass effect was a ground breaking series and they learned a great deal by doing it but it wasn't perfect accept this. Sometimes a book or movie trilogy has a bad ending gamers need to stop the hissy fits and accept that the endings were bad, at least to a majority of people, and grow up and move on.

 

Stop pissing into the wind and complaining of getting wet. ME:A IS in the Andromeda galaxy and bioware has already stated they will never canonize a ME3 ending because THEY feel it serves no purpose as it nullifies 75% of the possible endings and bioware has zero desire to make all those players that picked 75% of the endings to get the shaft. Me3 will always have the ending choice you want, even if the endings themself were rather meh. This is BIOWARE'S position they are the developer EA supports this position so gamers need to...

 

 

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I didn't read half of what you wrote because you failed to understand that the Reason for going to Andromeda is because of the ME3 endings and because they were never fixed. Bioware failed to fix their own endings. 

 

I will be a bit more shorter too so you understand better.  ME3 Endings not being fix but rather smeared, extend cut, is the reason and only reason we are going to Andromeda. Politically speaking they don't wanna touch that because its been sitting too long rotting. The endings were also never fixed because it would mean they would be acknowledging the fact they sold us a incomplete game not to mention Bioware forgot about their lore. 

 

So to be clear Andromeda because of ME3 endings simple and gets to the bottom. No elaborate reason other than ME3 Ending for why we are going to Andromeda. I am sorry you don't see that as clearly as I and only Andromeda being a good game can get me to not remember about the ME3 endings a bit more. I have a fond memory of wanting to do a trilogy run until I graced myself upon those endings, making ME3 only great for its MP. 

 

Ok before I hit post let me repeat:

 

Andromeda is because of ME3 Ending,  no other good reason but that. 

 

You didn't read my fraking post at all let alone 1/2 that you claim.

 

The idiocy of this is that you ASSUMED X didn't bother to read my post then have the audacity to write how i don't get it because the franchise is moving to Andromeda because of the endings and that that is EXACTLY what i wrote.

 

This is why I have zero respect your the opinion based argument crowd because they can't even be bothered to READ a person's post before commenting on it let alone search for evidence for their positions.

 

The only difference in our two posts is I don't expect like a petulant child that a media company to "fix" their media just because i don't subjectively like it. The end of the matrix trilogy is wildly panned as terrible but no one in their right RATIONAL mind expects them to 'fix" the ending. But Oh no you are stamping you foot down in a temper tantrum expecting bioware to "fix" their endings or if not expecting them to do it you think it is what they should do, . Boo hoo for you. The endings are bad so what. It is years old news time to...

 

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lol. The lunacy of this is you actually think you are being reasonable in expecting that  Bioware should "fix" the endings because you don't subjectively like them. Granted not liking them is a majority position I share, but I am an adult so don't expect an entertainment media i subjectively dislike to bloody well "fix" a failure. Your sense of entitlement is off the scale.

[Vortex13]

Reading up on Stellar Engines all seem to need technologies and materials investments that are beyond the races in the MEU. An ARK would need both Propulsion (Type A ) and the ability to support an environment and generate energy (Type which combine

The largest structure in the MEU is quoted as the Susskind Super Collidor, it surrounds a planer and took hundreds of years to construct. The only dyson device listed is the Geth, and that is also Planet sized. Stellar engines require stars to be surrounded

 

But this article might have some solution. Hitch into an already escaping, or hypervelocity star, or use the gravitational force of the Galactic Core as a slingshot.

 

 

http://news.discover...is-possible.htm

 

 

Hypervelocity stars would be one way, but really, that's a shot in the dark as you would have no real way to pick which direction the black hole was going to eject said star. I could definitely see this as a last desperate act of survival though. Gather around a soon to be expelled star and then resign your civilization to a lonely existence as your parent star is sent careening out into the endless void. 

 

 

 

 

Stellar Engines would be a massive undertaking no doubt about it, but utilizing a smaller star like a white or brown dwarf would be orders of magnitude easier than trying to encompass a Sun sized star. Plus the application of element zero would mean that one wouldn't have to completely surround the host star in order to generate thrust. Half of the equation for generating movement in such a system is the balancing of gravitational attraction towards the "sail", with the application of a mass effect field you could theoretically lower the mass of the star to a point which would lower the threshold needed in order to generate movement. This way, you could generate the same amount of movement with a much smaller mega-structure. It's not like galactic society are strangers to working with stars in the Mass Effect universe.

 

Heck, even Cerberus managed to install a research facility in the upper atmosphere of a brown dwarf star in order to study the derelict Reaper, I'm sure the combined efforts of all the major species could easily establish an abbreviated Dyson Swarm around a similar system and then use mass effect generators to cover the remaining balance needed to complete the engine.    

[AlleyD]

Hypervelocity stars would be one way, but really, that's a shot in the dark as you would have no real way to pick which direction the black hole was going to eject said star. I could definitely see this as a last desperate act of survival though. Gather around a soon to be expelled star and then resign your civilization to a lonely existence as your parent star is sent careening out into the endless void. 

 

 

 

 

Stellar Engines would be a massive undertaking no doubt about it, but utilizing a smaller star like a white or brown dwarf would be orders of magnitude easier than trying to encompass a Sun sized star. Plus the application of element zero would mean that one wouldn't have to completely surround the host star in order to generate thrust. Half of the equation for generating movement in such a system is the balancing of gravitational attraction towards the "sail", with the application of a mass effect field you could theoretically lower the mass of the star to a point which would lower the threshold needed in order to generate movement. This way, you could generate the same amount of movement with a much smaller mega-structure. It's not like galactic society are strangers to working with stars in the Mass Effect universe.

 

Heck, even Cerberus managed to install a research facility in the upper atmosphere of a brown dwarf star in order to study the derelict Reaper, I'm sure the combined efforts of all the major species could easily establish an abbreviated Dyson Swarm around a similar system and then use mass effect generators to cover the remaining balance needed to complete the engine.    

 

I agree that it is a shot in the dark to hitch on to a hypervelocity star.

 

I was more thinking about the aspect of using the massive gravitational force of the Galactic Core as a form of slingshot, something like how we use gravitation slingshots today to assist long journey times. Is there tech capable of surviving in that region of space? We see that the Collectors have some form of Mass Effect field that can enable massive bases to survive in the event horizon of the galactic core. Repurpose that technology and use it in the ARK.

 

It's a reach, but it is based on a the systems humans use in practice, just scaled up. And it also makes reference to known and depicted applications of Mass Effect tech. 

[AntarcticWildlife]

Yep - the wiki was an interesting read.

Although it also seems like an endeavor like that would be orders of magnitude larger than the crucible - or an ark ship, or both at the same time for that matter. Which isn't a huge problem necessarily - I've said earlier in this thread that even with the crucible effort, I think there are plenty of resources left over for something else to happen concurrently. But this sounds bigger than what I was thinking.

As far as violating all "known" physics - well, I still don't think that close study of some reapers leading to some breakthroughs (and expanding the scope of "known" physics) in a reasonably short amount of time stretches credibility at all. Again, the collectors were building one in ME2.

Im not too worried about the cost, its more the utilizing existing tech to achieve something and not just inventing something from nowhere. If we are getting new tech then id like a reasonable explaination as to where it came from.

[AntarcticWildlife]

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[DarthSliver]

You didn't read my fraking post at all let alone 1/2 that you claim.

 

The idiocy of this is that you ASSUMED X didn't bother to read my post then have the audacity to write how i don't get it because the franchise is moving to Andromeda because of the endings and that that is EXACTLY what i wrote.

 

This is why I have zero respect your the opinion based argument crowd because they can't even be bothered to READ a person's post before commenting on it let alone search for evidence for their positions.

 

The only difference in our two posts is I don't expect like a petulant child that a media company to "fix" their media just because i don't subjectively like it. The end of the matrix trilogy is wildly panned as terrible but no one in their right RATIONAL mind expects them to 'fix" the ending. But Oh no you are stamping you foot down in a temper tantrum expecting bioware to "fix" their endings or if not expecting them to do it you think it is what they should do, . Boo hoo for you. The endings are bad so what. It is years old news time to...

 

DEAL.

 

WITH.

 

IT.

 

lol. The lunacy of this is you actually think you are being reasonable in expecting that  Bioware should "fix" the endings because you don't subjectively like them. Granted not liking them is a majority position I share, but I am an adult so don't expect an entertainment media i subjectively dislike to bloody well "fix" a failure. Your sense of entitlement is off the scale.

 

I decided to read this post this time and yeah I can see you didn't read my last post you quote it and you read it but you didn't read it.

 

You get angry at the mention of ME3 endings when you know they will be mention time and time again until we can play and enjoy Andromeda. Until we can see that Bioware has learned from their mistake with the ME3 ending.

 

People mention something you don't like and you throw a tantrum, you put big bold letters and make them bigger like they mean something when they only saw what kind of a person you really are. You want to know why I ignored one of your postings and proceeded to respond to it because I could tell you were being angry and not calm, the big letterings in your post further proves my point. 

 

At the end of the day we can only come up with theories but the true reason why we go to Andromeda is because of the ME3 endings and because they choose never to actually fix them when ME3 was first out. It really did make ME3 mp alot better than dealing with those endings again. 

 

Next time keep calm before you respond, your anger shows what a child you are when you throw big bold giant letters into the mix. 

[AlleyD]

Im not too worried about the cost, its more the utilizing existing tech to achieve something and not just inventing something from nowhere. If we are getting new tech then id like a reasonable explaination as to where it came from.

 

I cannot really get with the sudden need for having any new technologies be given a "reasonable" explanation, mostly because every single game has "miracle " technological advances that were given no explanation at all used as the plot movers for the hero's journey 

 

In ME1 you have the cypher beacon: A Prothean technology that can alter organics minds to understand Prothean communications in a way that millenia of study by a race intimately linked with Protheans (The Asari) could not achieve.

 

In ME2 you have project Lazarus: A technology that can somehow reanimate the dead "perfectly"

 

In ME3 you have the Crucible: a device that has one of the most implausible design evolutions in Sci-Fi, a device that is derived from an unknown number of extinct races that did not co-exist in time somehow communicating their most advanced solutions to an unsolvable problem that they had no foreknowledge of (if the Reaper MO of the Prothean Invasion is true of previous cycles)

 

Probably most unbelievable though happens off screen: the human discovery of the MASS EFFECT.  Lore states that we discovered the Mars archive in 2148. It also states that we were able to translate an understanding of Alien data that is of an evolution state that is far beyond our own, and uses a material and science theory that was totally new to us. Someohow we developed an understanding that pointed towards the Relay. This was discovered in 2149, entombed in 100's of kilometres of ice. Somehow we melted this down (The volume of Charon is roughly 9.32 * 10⁸  km³), in temperatures at around -220⁰C in a matter of months, Switch on an inactive relay and we also had developed ME capable vehicle technologies and had constructed an unknown number of probes, and then human vehicle. All that in a window of at max 24 months?

 

Did BioWare ever give any form of explanation to these in their lore or games, let alone a "reasonable" one? I don't think they did and, while critical comment on ME2 and ME3's "miracles" was pretty vocal, I did not see much criticism on ME1's "miracle" and even less at the "miracle" that the brand name itself is built from until after ME3.

 

Mass Effect was built from the Combination tropes of "Technological Uplift" through a sudden import of "Alien Phlebotonium". Humans, Asari, Batarians are noted in lore as being "uplifted" by Protheans. Cerberus being empowered by Reaper Tech in a similar fashion and the Crucible derived from an unknown series of tech uplifts and unknown number.

 

That will probably be the root tropes used to justify the ARK and the technological uplifts already in the series are possibly even more impossible to imagine than an ARK. Current human speculation of Intergalactic travel offers several concepts,  but we have no concepts that speculate that we could translate an alien language and technology at first contact in the manner introduced with the Mass Effect franchise and brand name, we have no speculative theories on how to reanimate a corpse back to life, let alone reproduce the intellect and "soul" of a human.

[AntarcticWildlife]

Im not even sure why lazerus even had to exist. Surely there had to have been a way to have shepard with cerberus without ressurecting him from the dead.

[9TailsFox]

Im not even sure why lazerus even had to exist. Surely there had to have been a way to have shepard with cerberus without ressurecting him from the dead.

Shepard dying works mass effect is full of biblical motives. After shepard brought back form the dead by Cerberus guardian of the underworld, first think he do is go to purgatory, meet archangel. Reapers are gods angels (Vega actually say, well repeat what his uncle say, sky is filed with angels. don't remember exact words. something about apocalypse) and we actually meet got at the end. I can go on all day mass effect full of biblical references. Mass effect main theme is rebelling against creators. geth vs quarians, Man vs god.