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[Drone223]

You're apparently pretty sure, but I remain unconvinced. And you're not really providing any basis for your assertion.

 

It's extremely unlikely that reserve engineering a drive core that "breaks the known laws of physics" will be a simple as reverse engineering a weapon.

 

They're all over the place. And if they're working on this after the threat of extinction has passed, as you note above, then they're definitely all over the place.

 

The entire premise of ark theory happens during the events of the trilogy not after.

 

It's a fine example. A few thousand years is just a few asari lifespans. And either way you put it, it's not a very long time, galactically speaking. Perhaps the galaxy at large regards it as a solution without a problem? Maybe there is some experimental work going on that we didn't see? Neither of those two options are implausible or lore breaking.

 

To the asari its short, but to salarians, humans, turians a few thousand years is still a signifcant amount of time.

[themikefest]

The destroyed reapers that are floating over homeworlds are of no use to the ship if it leaves before the events of ME3

[DaemionMoadrin]

Standard FTL drive with a ton of redundancies, maintenance mechs and VI oversight. The crew is in stasis and will be woken up at arrival. The stasis technology of the Protheans could easily keep people alive for 50.000 years and I doubt they'll need that long. There is only enough energy for one trip. Any other technology would allow them to go back at any time... with this they are more or less stuck in Andromeda.

[FKA_Servo]

It's extremely unlikely that reserve engineering a drive core that "breaks the known laws of physics" will be a simple as reverse engineering a weapon.

 

If you have the intact tech to work from, it probably gets a lot easier to do just that. See my previous point about plenty o' reapers.

 

The entire premise of ark theory happens during the events of the trilogy not after.

 

Sure, but even if it kicks off during ME3, there are still reaper specimens available for study. Regardless, it's fairly easily remedied.

 

To the asari its short, but to salarians, humans, turians a few thousand years is still a signifcant amount of time.

 

The asari are the oldest, most dominant, most numerous race in the known galaxy. It's not unreasonable to suggest that they set the pace for galactic society in many respects. It's also not unreasonable to suggest technological advancement in some areas might have stagnated or plateaued for a long period of time.

 

And once again, I offer that until now, such a thing could very well be viewed as a solution without a problem. It's a very plausible notion that's applicable to the real world as well. Why pour a lot of time, energy, and resources into something that has little or no practical, day to day value or application?

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

we're gonna get fired by a giant slingshot in a ship called Wile E. Coyote

[themikefest]

we're gonna get fired by a giant slingshot in a ship called Wile E. Coyote

Yep.

 

Its called The Slingshot Theory

 

The people will call up Wile E. Coyote, supergenius, to find a way for them to get to Andromeda. So Wile calls up ACME to get the parts for his slingshot. ACME has a 2 second guaranteed delivery time. He takes a giant hammer and pounds two very, very, very, even more very tall poles into the ground. He takes a giant sized rubber band and wraps it around the poles. Before the ship is ready to leave, the ship is christened as the SSV Wile E. Coyote. The ship is placed into the rubber band. Wile E. Coyote cranks the rubber band as far back as he can. He adjusts the aim to where Andromeda is seen and releases the rubber band. A few moments after the ship is out of sight, the road runner runs by. Wile E. Coyote chases the roadrunner

[AlleyD]

In the ME:A prologue fan fiction I am working on ATM I chose to  use a variation of the mechanism for intergalactic traverse; HyperVelocity stars. It is a naturally occuring phenomenon where a star is propelled out of its parent galaxy at velocities that enable it to escape the gravitational effects of its parent galaxy. The two major theories behind HyperVelocity stars are that the supermassive blackhole in the centre of the galaxy can impart a sling shot effect on stars that stray too close, or that a supernovae in a binary system propelled the companion star at hypervelocity. 

 

I'm working on adapting Mass Effect space magics to this idea. One space magic ass pull involves adapting the Collector Mass Effect technologies that enabled the base to operate in the gravitional influence field of the galactic Core for 50,000 years. That little piece of nonsense is being applied to "justify" that the ARK could create a powerful Mass Effect bubble. One that could protect the ARK during the traverse around the core. The  idea is that the massively powerful gravitational force applied to a Mass Effected vessel would impart a hyper FTL velocity that enabled intergalactic traverse

[AlleyD]

Yep.

 

Its called The Slingshot Theory

 

The people will call up Wile E. Coyote, supergenius, to find a way for them to get to Andromeda. So Wile calls up ACME to get the parts for his slingshot. ACME has a 2 second guaranteed delivery time. He takes a giant hammer and pounds two very, very, very, even more very tall poles into the ground. He takes a giant sized rubber band and wraps it around the poles. Before the ship is ready to leave, the ship is christened as the USS Wile E. Coyote. The ship is placed into the rubber band. Wile E. Coyote cranks the rubber band as far back as he can. He adjusts the aim to where Andromeda is seen and releases the rubber band. A few moments after the ship is out of sight, the road runner runs by. Wile E. Coyote chases the roadrunner

 

Hahaha, That is a version of the Slingshot theory I should have thought of in my fan fiction.

[Drone223]

If you have the intact tech to work from, it probably gets a lot easier to do just that. See my previous point about plenty o' reapers.

 

Part of reverse engineering is knowing how the stuff works in the first place so its not going to be as simple as you think it is especially if its more complex than regular drive cores.

 

Sure, but even if it kicks off during ME3, there are still reaper specimens available for study. Regardless, it's fairly easily remedied.

 

You still have to get the specimens without being noticed which is easier said than done especially if there are other reaper's near by, then their the issue of indoctrination.

 

 

The asari are the oldest, most dominant, most numerous race in the known galaxy. It's not unreasonable to suggest that they set the pace for galactic society in many respects. It's also not unreasonable to suggest technological advancement might have stagnated or plateaued for a long period of time.

 

But they don't have the best scientific minds, that title belongs to the salarians who's life span is 40 human years so they have to learn things at faster than other species.

 

And once again, I offer that until now, such a thing could very well be viewed as a solution without a problem. It's a very plausible notion that's applicable to the real world as well. Why pour a lot of time, energy, and resources into something that has little or no practical, day to day value or application?

 

There are plenty of reasons to develop a means to over come the static build up most notably being able to access other systems without the need to use the mass relay's.

[Wulfram]

I'm still pushing for us travelling just barely sub FTL and relying on a lot of time dilation to keep the journey time manageable from the travellers perspective.

[InterrogationBear]

There is no trans-warp in TNG. Star Trek's trans-warp lets you travel in a sub-space, not normal space.

[FKA_Servo]

Part of reverse engineering is knowing how the stuff works in the first place so its not going to be as simple as you think it is especially if its more complex than regular drive cores.

And I suggest that there's no reason - at all - for it to be as impossible or as implausible as you think. Particularly if we somehow get our hands on one ore more intact drives to study and take apart.

You just really want it to be impossible for some weird reason.

You still have to get the specimens without being noticed which is easier said than done especially if there are other reaper's near by, then their the issue of indoctrination.

Council forces - and human forces - are quite capable of winning individual battles against reapers, albeit at a cost great enough that the war is out of reach without the trusty deus ex crucible. Nothing in the game precludes the notion of getting at a mostly intact destroyed reaper and securing its tech for study. Indoc is not necessarily an insurmountable problem, particularly if you know it's an issue - as has also been brought up.

But they don't have the best scientific minds, that title belongs to the salarians who's life span is 40 human years so they have to learn things at faster than other species.

There are plenty of reasons to develop a means to over come the static build up most notably being able to access other systems without the need to use the mass relay's.

None of that matters if they're not the ones setting the overall direction and priorities, though.

If we learn in MEA that successful small scale experiments had been done on this, but were deemed far to costly for widespread implementation, would that be lore breaking to you?

What if the ark (or whatever our means of conveyance is) is huge? Huge enough to utilize similar discharging tech as a space station? Would that also be unacceptable?

[Navasha]

If practicality is the issue, there really are only two options, imo.

 

Wormhole - A nice one-way ticket ride to Andromeda without needing a whole lot of "Science!" explanation.  

 

Cryogenic Storage - Any conventional means of travel will require some explanation of how they plan to power a ship for the 1000s of years it takes to get there at far greater speeds than has been currently used in the game.   Since 1000s of years are going to pass, then obviously the entire living complement of the ship is going to have to be suspended.   Without that suspension of "time" they are going to have to spend half the game explaining why there was no progression aboard the ship.

[AntarcticWildlife]

Cryogenic Storage - Any conventional means of travel will require some explanation of how they plan to power a ship for the 1000s of years it takes to get there at far greater speeds than has been currently used in the game.   Since 1000s of years are going to pass, then obviously the entire living complement of the ship is going to have to be suspended.   Without that suspension of "time" they are going to have to spend half the game explaining why there was no progression aboard the ship.

 

Not really. It would be 250 years or so with a reaper FTL core. Its power source would be whatever reapers run on (space magic). 

[Killroy]

Relative to the real world yes, but in the mass effect universe they are a thing, always have been a thing and are an established cornerstone of the mass effect universe. You cant just tie one to a ship, have it not need a counterpart and say 'well this is a thing now because reasons' to explain it. Thats what a plot device is, not a mass relay.  

 

You're conflating two different things. Being old doesn't mean something isn't a plot device. FTL travel was a necessity for the series and the relays were the plot device used to accomplish it. 

 

There is no trans-warp in TNG. Star Trek's trans-warp lets you travel in a sub-space, not normal space.

 

The Borg used transwarp.

[themikefest]

You still have to get the specimens without being noticed which is easier said than done especially if there are other reaper's near by, then their the issue of indoctrination.

The Normandy is able to scan a planet for intel for a destroyed destroyer in the Exodus system

[AntarcticWildlife]

 

You're conflating two different things. Being old doesn't mean something isn't a plot device. FTL travel was a necessity for the series and the relays were the plot device used to accomplish it. 

 

Except its not a plot device at all because its existed ever since the series was created. A plot device is there to give an explanation to a plot moving forward. Since FTL and relays have existed forever, they can't be plot devices by definition. 

[Navasha]

Not really. It would be 250 years or so with a reaper FTL core. Its power source would be whatever reapers run on (space magic). 

 

Um... They really don't want to have to answer questions about why the reaper core is no longer indoctrinating people.   That is assuming we left before the Reaper war ended.    So I highly doubt they will be using reaper tech.  

[Killroy]

Except its not a plot device at all because its existed ever since the series was created. A plot device is there to give an explanation to a plot moving forward. Since FTL and relays have existed forever, they can't be plot devices by definition. 

 

That's entirely false. When a plot device comes about is completely irrelevant. The plot needed a mechanism of FTL travel to move forward and the relays filled that role. 

[AlleyD]

If practicality is the issue, there really are only two options, imo.

 

Wormhole - A nice one-way ticket ride to Andromeda without needing a whole lot of "Science!" explanation.  

 

Cryogenic Storage - Any conventional means of travel will require some explanation of how they plan to power a ship for the 1000s of years it takes to get there at far greater speeds than has been currently used in the game.   Since 1000s of years are going to pass, then obviously the entire living complement of the ship is going to have to be suspended.   Without that suspension of "time" they are going to have to spend half the game explaining why there was no progression aboard the ship.

 

I disagree that a wormhole is a practical solution to making the traverse between MW and Andromeda.

 

 A quick Google search on Wormholes mostly brings up the opinions of Kip Thorne who states that wormholes capable of transporting a human through it are "forbidden" by physical laws. The problem is keeping the Wormhole stable would require massive transfers of negative energy and this isn't believed to possible in any known natural event. Wormholes are justifiable, but only as supranatural events generated by an entity capable of manipulating energies on a Kardashevian scale far beyond the Reapers or Leviathans.

 

Creating plausible story scenarios that refugees from the MW could co-exist in the same galaxy as such beings is problematic.

[Killroy]

Um... They really don't want to have to answer questions about why the reaper core is no longer indoctrinating people.   That is assuming we left before the Reaper war ended.    So I highly doubt they will be using reaper tech.  

 

Why assume the Reapers' cores are what indoctrinate people? The lore doesn't suggest that. Pieces of destroyed Reapers can indoctrinate people and Reaper artifacts that never had cores indoctrinate people.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Um... They really don't want to have to answer questions about why the reaper core is no longer indoctrinating people.   That is assuming we left before the Reaper war ended.    So I highly doubt they will be using reaper tech.  

They could use a Collector core. It's Reaper-tier tech but hasn't shown any signs of indoctrination capabilities.

[Killroy]

I disagree that a wormhole is a practical solution to making the traverse between MW and Andromeda.

 

 A quick Google search on Wormholes mostly brings up the opinions of Kip Thorne who states that wormholes capable of transporting a human through it are "forbidden" by physical laws. The problem is keeping the Wormhole stable would require massive transfers of negative energy and this isn't believed to possible in any known natural event. Wormholes are justifiable, but only as supranatural events generated by an entity capable of manipulating energies on a Kardashevian scale far beyond the Reapers or Leviathans.

 

Creating plausible story scenarios that refugees from the MW could co-exist in the same galaxy as such beings is problematic.

 

Find me the scientific articles explaining how eezo works. What are Kip Thorne's thoughts on biotics?

 

FYI, trying to apply real-world scientific theory to Mass Effect is a very foolish thing to do. 

[DaemionMoadrin]

Um... They really don't want to have to answer questions about why the reaper core is no longer indoctrinating people.   That is assuming we left before the Reaper war ended.    So I highly doubt they will be using reaper tech.  

 

Meh, the indoctrination stuff was kind of stupid anyway. They treated it like it was some sort of radiation, as if all of the Reaper was radioactive. It would make more sense if it was simply a subsystem of capital and destroyer sized Reapers. Otherwise the Reapers could win every ground war by air dropping scrap metal on their enemies, a few days later the enemy would be their devoted slaves.

 

But hey, it's Mass Effect, where magic masquerades as science and logic is on permanent vacation.

[Kabooooom]

I'm still pushing for us travelling just barely sub FTL and relying on a lot of time dilation to keep the journey time manageable from the travellers perspective.

Time dilation is great and all, but the idea suffers from the same problem in fiction as it does in real life. Lets say you design a vessel that takes you to an inhabitable planet in a star system 1000 light years from Earth. You accelerate at a sizable fraction of the speed of light, and it takes you ten years from your perspective to reach the star. You get there, and much to your surprise, you find the planet already colonized. By humans. How??

Because once you reach relativistic velocities, the effects of time dilation become exponential with exponential application of energy. All it would take would be for the people you left behind on Earth to design a slightly faster starship, and then say "well ****, I'd rather we get there sooner rather than later" and boom, you have a situation which renders your fantastic relativistic voyage moot. It can easily be shown that the longer the distance and the greater the relativistic effects, the more plausible it would be for something like this to happen. And it is even more plausible if you aren't travelling relativistically but instead with a generation ship.

So you travel to Andromeda at 99.9% the speed of light. What is to stop the future descendents of people left behind in the Milky Way from developing a starship that travels at 99.999% the speed of light and beating you there?

EDIT: Please dont get any ideas Bioware. If you go the "Remnant are really ancient humans - plot twist!" route, that would be a plot twist so bad it would be better placed in an M. Night Shamalan movie.