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[SardaukarElite]

Science happened, and we got from point A to point B thanks to it. That's how we will get to Andromeda.

 

Well now what are we going to argue about until the next trailer? 

[Iakus]

Science happened, and we got from point A to point B thanks to it. That's how we will get to Andromeda.

That's no different from "A Wizard Did It"

[FKA_Servo]

That's no different from "A Wizard Did It"

 

Well, we'll probably have a codex entry laying it all out, at least.

[fhs33721]

In a fictional universe where TIM can apparently just throw money on a corpse until it magically returns to live, my guess is that someone will just throw money at a ship until it can suddenly travel to another galaxy in a resonable amount of time.

[KamuiStorm]

Dimensional drift? (Sadly couldn't find a video of professor Farnsworth performing the dd)

[AntarcticWildlife]

That's no different from "A Wizard Did It"

 

Again..

 

[Giantdeathrobot]

That's no different from "A Wizard Did It"

 

But it's a "a bunch of scientists threw money at the problem" instead, so that's completely different.

[KamuiStorm]

[Quarian Master Race]

We're building an actual Noah's Ark, and riding the massive flood of tears over the ME3 ending all the way to Andromeda, only to discover that the vorcha already got there first and set the whole thing on fire.

[themikefest]

I wonder if its possible that a previous species built a ship in their cycle to escape the reapers, and were fired upon by the reapers. The reapers damaged the ship enough that it lost all power leading to the death of all onboard because of loss of air. The ship has been stuck in space for however long, and one day a species in our current cycle discovered it. After giving it a once over, it was concluded that the ship, with some repairs, could make a journey to another galaxy.

 

Maybe some very rich sponsors supported a trip to Andromeda that would carry volunteers with different talents and backgrounds. The ship leaves before the events of ME3.

 

Or it leaves during the events of ME3 when the council or whoever decide that the reapers can't be defeated

[AlleyD]

They weren't studying a large piece of reaper tech just small fragments, and if they did use it for larger species the power requirements would be fairly demanding.

 

The collectors build actual reaper's and the indoctrination methods used in ME3 by Cerberus was based on reaper tech.

 

Cerberus had to develop and surgically install implants derived from Reaper Tech to enable indoctrination. If Reaper Tech alone was capable of indoctrinating, that technology and delivery mechanism would not have needed.

[Hammerstorm]

The Doctor.

[Iakus]

In a fictional universe where TIM can apparently just throw money on a corpse until it magically returns to live, my guess is that someone will just throw money at a ship until it can suddenly travel to another galaxy in a resonable amount of time.

This is, sadly, the most likely explanation,

 

"Resources", just like the Lazarus Project 

[Drone223]

I'll ask again - how do you know that this is the case? A firearm is functionally very similar in principle to a combustion engine. It's quite possible that might hold true for more advanced and sophisticated tech as well. We don't know that that's the case for sure, but we haven't seen anything to contradict it, and it seems a likely route all things considered.

 

You're basing your definitive proclamations on stuff that you just decided must be true. None of it has any basis in the game. At best, it's just not addressed.

There nothing alike since the thanix cannon is fires liquid metal surrounded by a mass effect field, the drive core "breaks all the laws of physiscs." its quite obvious that the two are completely different things.

 

 

I've offered sensible reasons to account for these things at least twice, and I wasn't even the first one to do so in this thread. Since you haven't shown any interest in acknowledging them yet, I imagine you'll continue to ignore them and re-state the same groundless claim over and over again.

 

You didn't what yous suggested still involves huge leaps in logic. if it were possible then long range FTL without the need for the relay's would've already been developed, but it quite obvious the galaxy has yet to develop a means of FTL without the need for relay's by the time of the trilogy.

 

Who said it wouldn't be challenging? I'm just suggesting that it's possible, and given the stakes, they might expend a good amount of effort and resources to do so. Should they go that route (it seems likely), it wouldn't contradict anything we know from the past three games. As for that weapon, I wouldn't consider it the final word on using reaper tech. The drive core isn't shooting missiles at anything, and it could be staffed and maintained by scientists and engineers who understand it rather than over-imaginative soldiers.

 

If said reaper tech is to be used in the crucible then they would since the galaxy is committing all of its resources to its construction to the point they risk bankrupting the galaxy. But there is simply no way that another large scale project can be built along side the crucible.

 

I admit, I'm curious to know how you'd get to Andromeda, if you've decided that every lore plausible option offered by other folks here is impossible.

 

Your putting words in my mouth, at no point in the trilogy was the galaxy depreciated as having the potential to develop intergalactic travel that's my point. It wouldn't be far fetched if intergalactic travel was developed several centuries after the trilogy but in the time frame of the trilogy no such technology exist.

[Draining Dragon]

I don't believe the lore has established any limit on the power of mass effect technology. Presumably, some sort of mass relay could be used to reach Andromeda. We know that the Citadel could be used by the Reapers to travel from the reaches of dark space into the Milky Way, so it seems to me there is a precedent for intergalactic travel in the ME universe.

[N7M]

The outer arms look like they could close around the ship shown in the N7 Day video. It could be a hint at a variation or new type of ME drive tech.  

[FKA_Servo]

There nothing alike since the thanix cannon is fires liquid metal surrounded by a mass effect field, the drive core "breaks all the laws of physiscs." its quite obvious that the two are completely different things.

 

"Seemingly breaks the laws of physics." You really like that part, I know. But since that can't actually be true (barring straight up space magic, of course), the issue is that we don't understand how it works. We can remedy that by cracking one open. Maybe it's even a lot less complicated once we actually get in there? I mean, the collectors can presumably build them.

 

Again, it's only obvious to you.

 

You didn't what yous suggested still involves huge leaps in logic. if it were possible then long range FTL without the need for the relay's would've already been developed, but it quite obvious the galaxy has yet to develop a means of FTL without the need for relay's by the time of the trilogy.

 

No, I suggested a technological plateau, or technological stagnation due to existing solutions being convenient and suitable combined with the suggestion that a few thousand years, in this context and considering the state of galactic society and its major players, isn't really a very long time. That's the opposite of a "huge leap in logic." In fact, it's an eminently plausible explanation for it!

 

Again, it's obvious to you, but I think that's it. If anyone who thinks I'm completely nuts or totally wrong wants to pipe in, though, I'd love it.

 

If said reaper tech is to be used in the crucible then they would since the galaxy is committing all of its resources to its construction to the point they risk bankrupting the galaxy. But there is simply no way that another large scale project can be built along side the crucible.

 

The milky way is a big place. No doubt a ton of resources were poured into the crucible. But all of them? Not a chance. Cerberus comes to mind as just one organization rich in capital and resources who didn't contribute to its construction. Honestly, a top secret council effort pursuing this stuff wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. And in fact, the idea that the council wouldn't diversify a little bit given the stakes is pants on head ridiculous. And if so, why should we necessarily know about it? Shepard doesn't need to know everything. S/he's got other stuff going on anyway.

 

No, I think there's plenty of room for another project. There are other players in the game.

 

Your putting words in my mouth, at no point in the trilogy was the galaxy depreciated as having the potential to develop intergalactic travel that's my point. It wouldn't be far fetched if intergalactic travel was developed several centuries after the trilogy but in the time frame of the trilogy no such technology exist.

 

Uh... I wasn't putting words in your mouth, there. I was flat out asking how you'd solve the problem.

[Andrew Lucas]

This is, sadly, the most likely explanation,
 
"Resources", just like the Lazarus Project 

What would you propose then? Assuming that there's a realistically excuse for everything.

[Iakus]

What would you propose then? Assuming that there's a realistically excuse for everything.

Frankly, I'm not sure there is a "realistic" way to reach Andromeda using currently existing technology.  Not without leaving a gaping plot hole as to why the Reapers aren't there too.

 

But if we're looking for something that leaves a shred of plausibility, there's a couple of options:

 

1) wormhole, natural or artificial.  I actually liked that fanfic Cerberus News story about the volus physicist who had a theory of intergalactic travel being possible using eezo and a black hole to create a "natural mass relay"

 

2) Outside tech.  By this I mean tech that came from outside the cycles:  not Reaper tech or any race built upon their technology.  That leaves, as Ambassador G'Kar put it "a new race, or an old race.  A very old race"  Something from outside the cycles.

 

The Leviathans are certainly a possibility for an old race.  They predate the Reapers, and somehow managed to avoid extinction at their hands.  It may be that while they lacked the strength to face the Reapers head-on, they have the means to transport themselves to places the Reapers can't reach.  Like another galaxy. Or perhaps they used to have it, lost it, and this cycle finds it again.

 

As for a new race, as I said in another thread, perhaps something akin to Rendevous with Rama happens.  An automated ship from outside the galaxy appears.  The people of this cycle find it, study it, heck, perhaps hitch a ride on it.  And they find a way to explore a new galaxy.  One untouched by the Reapers.

 

And hopefully without that Green Utopia or "inevitable robot uprising" BS.

[ComedicSociopathy]

Space Magic. Technobabble. Superscience. Done. Can we move on to fighting evil aliens now? 

[Dantriges]

If said reaper tech is to be used in the crucible then they would since the galaxy is committing all of its resources to its construction to the point they risk bankrupting the galaxy. But there is simply no way that another large scale project can be built along side the crucible.

 

And we probably find out that they risked bankrupting the galaxy building the Crucible and the ARK at the same time during war time or so and we just didn´t the whole picture during ME 3.

[AlanC9]

Since all the relevant numbers are not only hidden from the player but are completely made-up, of course building the Ark will turn out to have been feasible.

[Drone223]

"Seemingly breaks the laws of physics." But since that can't actually be true (barring straight up space magic, of course), the issue is that we don't understand how it works. We can remedy that by cracking one open. Maybe it's even a lot less complicated once we actually get in there? I mean, the collectors can presumably build them.

 

Again, it's only obvious to you.

 

Given how the reaper's have existed for billions of years and their technology being more advance than galaxies is unlikely that all their technology can be simple to understand.

 

No, I suggested a technological plateau, or technological stagnation due to existing solutions being convenient and suitable combined with the suggestion that a few thousand years, in this context and considering the state of galactic society and its major players, isn't really a very long time. That's the opposite of a "huge leap in logic." In fact, it's an eminently plausible explanation for it!

 

Again, it's obvious to you, but I think that's it. If anyone who thinks I'm completely nuts or totally wrong wants to pipe in, though, I'd love it.

 

Technological development is gradual and happens over time, there is no way a galaxy can go from FTL being limited to short range to being capable of intergalactic travel when they haven't even developed long range FTL in their own galaxy. Also the reason why the technology is seemly stagnated is because the reaper's wanted them to use inferior versions of their technology.

 

"Your civilization is based on the technology of the mass relay's our technology, with it you evolve along the paths we desire."

 

The reaper's are the only ones who know what mass relay technology is capable off since they created it.

 

The milky way is a big place. No doubt a ton of resources were poured into the crucible. But all of them? Not a chance.

 

Udina said that they'll be throwing everyone who can hold a hammer to the project.

 

Also its quite clear that the galaxy is willing to risk going bankrupt to complete the project.

 

"What is clear is that the Crucible's construction is a massive effort, drawing resources from throughout explored space. Staggering financial costs have been disregarded in the common effort to create something, anything, that can stop the Reapers."

 

Cerberus comes to mind as just one organization rich in capital and resources who didn't contribute to its construction.

 

The crucible is joint project its, not being done by a single government/organization. Also cerberus is a bad example due to how inconsistent they were written thought the series.
 

 Honestly, a top secret council effort pursuing this stuff wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. And in fact, the idea that the council wouldn't diversify a little bit given the stakes is pants on head ridiculous. And if so, why should we necessarily know about it? Shepard doesn't need to know everything. S/he's got other stuff going on anyway.

 

Except the council chose to do nothing they just said "Ah yes reaper's" the writers clearly made them ignore Shepard warning.

 

No, I think there's plenty of room for another project. There are other players in the game.

 

There is no way there can be another large scale project when factors such as the reaper's are destroying key instructor, the resources required to fight the reaper's themselves and the crucible project are rapidly draining the galaxies resources everyday.

 

 

Uh... I wasn't putting words in your mouth, there. I was flat out asking how you'd solve the problem.

 

Your are, I keep telling that it simply can't be done in the time frame of the trilogy.

[Iakus]

Since all the relevant numbers are not only hidden from the player but are completely made-up, of course building the Ark will turn out to have been feasible.

Which makes Hackett's claims of the Crucible being such a massive project, needing the help of "everyone who can hold a hammer" sound pretty silly if there's another, equally massive project happening on the side.

[Drone223]

Frankly, I'm not sure there is a "realistic" way to reach Andromeda using currently existing technology.  Not without leaving a gaping plot hole as to why the Reapers aren't there too.

 

But if we're looking for something that leaves a shred of plausibility, there's a couple of options:

 

1) wormhole, natural or artificial.  I actually liked that fanfic Cerberus News story about the volus physicist who had a theory of intergalactic travel being possible using eezo and a black hole to create a "natural mass relay"

 

2) Outside tech.  By this I mean tech that came from outside the cycles:  not Reaper tech or any race built upon their technology.  That leaves, as Ambassador G'Kar put it "a new race, or an old race.  A very old race"  Something from outside the cycles.

 

The Leviathans are certainly a possibility for an old race.  They predate the Reapers, and somehow managed to avoid extinction at their hands.  It may be that while they lacked the strength to face the Reapers head-on, they have the means to transport themselves to places the Reapers can't reach.  Like another galaxy. Or perhaps they used to have it, lost it, and this cycle finds it again.

 

As for a new race, as I said in another thread, perhaps something akin to Rendevous with Rama happens.  An automated ship from outside teh galaxy appears.  The people of this cycle find it, study it, heck, perhaps hitch a ride on it.  And they find a way to explore a new galaxy.  One untouched by the reapers.

 

And hopefully without that Green Utopia or "inevitable robot uprising" BS.

While both outside tech and wormholes aren't without flaws at least they respect the technological level of the galaxy during the trilogy.

 

And we probably find out that they risked bankrupting the galaxy building the Crucible and the ARK at the same time during war time or so and we just didn´t the whole picture during ME 3.

Its quite evident that the codex entry only referring to the crucible alone.