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[Tidus]

AntiChir5, I think every woman in the DA series have supporters and haters its the nature of the beast. When I dislike a character its not based on bigotry. I simply base it on their game actions and dialogue. 

[Patricia08]

Are you saying with this post that i am a racist pfeew you are going to far if Vivienne was white i would still hate her this has nothing to do with black or white i am NOT a racist you should not judge people so quickly you really hurt me with this post 

[Patricia08]

That's all? Thom Rainier butchers an entire family, including children, and then runs away to leave the men he lied to about the mission to take the fall and everything is fine to you, but Vivienne calling him out on being a stalker and how he is not worthy of Josephine, something he agrees with, is going too far? He deserves far worse than a verbal lashing, and I actually appreciate Vivienne for being one of the few characters that don't let that monster slide for what he has done. 

 

Oh no i totaly agree with you when it comes to Blackwall in my current playthrough i wanted to give him a second chance so all the way i forgave him for what he did in the past. Normaly i let him rot in prison what he did was unforgivable but Vivienne is mean all the time it's not that i made my decision based on what she said to Blackwall it is way more then that 

[Patricia08]

Vivienne is everything wrong with the Circle and the status quo regarding magic. If recruiting her didn't strengthen the Inquistion (via her combat abilities as a squad member and her war table missions) I would gladly leave her to fade into obsurity in Orlais. As it is I am forced to grit my teeth through every conversation with her.

Good luck with that for me no more 

[Patricia08]

You know you can recruit and use her and then just edit the world state in the keep so that she was never in the party and someone else gets elected divine, win/win.

No not for me no more Vivienne 

[Patricia08]

I love threads like this. Means the game is really working.

I, too, had a great experience in DA:I today.

 

I had no idea that this would go this far so many posts and yes the game is really working 

[Deebo305]

Are you saying with this post that i am a racist pfeew you are going to far if Vivienne was white i would still hate her this has nothing to do with black or white i am NOT a racist you should not judge people so quickly

ROFLMAO Wow.... So glad the deeper meaning of my post reached you. Take a like Patricia, you caught me red handed

[Patricia08]

ROFLMAO Wow.... So glad the deeper meaning of my post reached you. Take a like Patricia, you caught me red handed

And then you come up with this post you should be ashamed of yourself and you should at least apologize but i guess you don't have the decency to do that 

[Deebo305]

And then you come up with this post you should be ashamed of yourself and you should at least apologize

I'm sorry..

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[Patricia08]

As someone who used her as my main mage for my entire first playthrough, I was very disappointed with her role in the story. Considering her big thing is supposed to be political intrigue and maneuvering, she does nothing of value. She sits at Skyhold and you are supposed to headcanon that she is doing useful things. Wicked Hearts would have been a great mission to incorporate her. But in a cast of mostly unnecessary people, she ends up feeling the most poorly leveraged.

 

Oh well, at least her banter with Sera is funny. But then Sera's banter with everyone is funny.

 

You think the banter between Sera and Vivienne is fun in what way ? Sera always looses because she is no match for Vivienne but i agree with you Sera's banter is fun with the rest of them except with Vivienne 

[Patricia08]

While nothing I say will change your mind on Viv, I will remind you that the "freedom" that Fiona granted the Mages by dissolving the Circles was the "freedom" to be hated by a world that feared them more than they had in centuries (due to the bombing of the Kirkwall Chantry by a Mage and the attempted assassination of Empress Celene, again by a mage).  She gave the nearly half of the Mage Circle population that supported staying in the Circle the "freedom" to choose between either staying in the Circle and dying, or (if they were lucky enough to escape the mass exodus of the Circles) to risk it on their own, or join her little band of Rebels. 

 

Yes, what Vivienne is saying about mages is harsh, but it is by no means wrong ... especially if you consider the final results of that decision to Disband. Fiona's decision to disband the circles ended in absolute disaster for her and her Rebel Mages and unless an outside force comes in and saves them (The Inquisition) their entire population ends up dead, or slaves to Tevinter.  Hows that for "freedom" of choice?  This is exactly what happened to them in my world-state as I decided it was more worthwhile to save the Templars (a group that was being manipulated and forcibly drugged without their knowledge) over the Rebel Mages (that due to an extreme lack of foresight and a remarkable series of bad decisions dug their own graves).  

 

No i am afraid not you cannot change my mind and it is not that she is right or wrong for my sake she could be right with everything with the mages and stuff i just do not like her as a person and that is not because she is black because someone accused me of that to not nice btw but if she was nicer then i would surely invite her again to the Inquisition maybe that is very narrow minded of me but that's the way i am so for me no more Vivienne  

[Arshei]

I hope you don't allow Leliana, the worst spymaster of the world be the spymaster of your Inquisition.

[sylvanaerie]

I actually like all the companions in Inquisition (in the other two games there were a few I downright despised).  Vivianne isn't one of my favorites, but in the right team she is a 'team player'.  I don't take her with Blackwall because picking on Blackwall (pre-reveal) is like kicking a whipped dog.  After he returns as Thom, he tends to stand up for himself more.  But frankly, I just don't take them out together because of her attitude toward him and their personalities don't appeal to me.  Both are competent at their jobs, doing them well without much micromanagement on my part (I play on casual setting) and I like to relax and enjoy my game, not listen to a bunch of bickering in banters.  As a mom, I got too much of that crap in reality from my 2 children when they were little.  Half the time I feel like screaming "Do I have to turn this party around and go back to camp?".

 

Vivianne's personality also fit best with my "Circle Mage" character who was grieving over the loss of her mentor (during a convo you can have with Viv, you find out your mentor died at the hands of rebel mages) and Vivianne commiserates with your loss, saying she knew the woman and respected her.

 

I much prefer Cass to BW and Dorian or Solas to Viv, but in the right combination of party members each character has banters that shine.

[Tidus]

One more then about Vivi as a character she's weak except when she wants the mages locked up in towers and in a indirect way wants Cole killed because he is a demon. Given a choice between adding another mage to the party my nod would go toward Fiona.

[Patricia08]

I actually like all the companions in Inquisition (in the other two games there were a few I downright despised).  Vivianne isn't one of my favorites, but in the right team she is a 'team player'.  I don't take her with Blackwall because picking on Blackwall (pre-reveal) is like kicking a whipped dog.  After he returns as Thom, he tends to stand up for himself more.  But frankly, I just don't take them out together because of her attitude toward him and their personalities don't appeal to me.  Both are competent at their jobs, doing them well without much micromanagement on my part (I play on casual setting) and I like to relax and enjoy my game, not listen to a bunch of bickering in banters.  As a mom, I got too much of that crap in reality from my 2 children when they were little.  Half the time I feel like screaming "Do I have to turn this party around and go back to camp?".

 

Vivianne's personality also fit best with my "Circle Mage" character who was grieving over the loss of her mentor (during a convo you can have with Viv, you find out your mentor died at the hands of rebel mages) and Vivianne commiserates with your loss, saying she knew the woman and respected her.

 

I much prefer Cass to BW and Dorian or Solas to Viv, but in the right combination of party members each character has banters that shine.

 

I have not played DA O and DA 2 yet but maybe i will some day i like to have fun during play through to but Vivienne was getting on my nerve more and more and as i said in my OP that with Blackwall was the last straw. And yes she is competent at her job during quests and missions but Dorian and Solas are competent to so for me not a hard decision to not invite her anymore. I don't have children yet but maybe i will in the foreseeable future

 

I think Cassandra is my favorite character ( not entirely sure about that ) when it comes to being honorable and modest and she has a romantic side that i like i love those cutscenes with her reading a book written by Varric Sera is fun to have in parties just as Dorian , Iron Bull , Cole and Solas they put a smile on my face with some of their party banter     

[Al Foley]

One more then about Vivi as a character she's weak except when she wants the mages locked up in towers and in a indirect way wants Cole killed because he is a demon. Given a choice between adding another mage to the party my nod would go toward Fiona.

That would be...interesting.  They are both kinda really radicals in their own right.  I would've prefered Rhys. 

[Dai Grepher]

I would just like to point out that just because mages may gain unprecedented acceptance under Divine Leliana does not mean that acceptance is widespread. "Unprecedented" just means more than at any time in history. Mages still might be hated to a degree that they are unsafe without the Circles.

 

So Vivienne's Circle could just be a safety measure. And even then, those there are free to leave if they want. Though I'm sure Vivienne will not allow them back in if they leave for good, again, as a safety measure.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Make her Divine to make sure that never happens.

[Iakus]

One more then about Vivi as a character she's weak except when she wants the mages locked up in towers and in a indirect way wants Cole killed because he is a demon. Given a choice between adding another mage to the party my nod would go toward Fiona.

Vivienne actually gives the mages more freedom and responsibility if she becomes Divine, and keeps the Templars under firm control.  SO I thik she wants mages to have the life she lived in the Circle, rather than abuses like what happened at Kirkwall.

 

She's also well aware of Cole's history as the Ghost of the Spire.  Can't blame her for thinking he's a demon.

[Toasted Llama]

Are you saying with this post that i am a racist pfeew you are going to far if Vivienne was white i would still hate her this has nothing to do with black or white i am NOT a racist you should not judge people so quickly you really hurt me with this post 

 

No.

 

Never dictate someone else's motives to them, especially when it is something like bigotry. This is absurd.

 

Yes, every strong female character BioWare makes gets called a ******. Just like every male character BioWare makes get's called whiny. That has everything to do with this being the internet. The people calling one character a ****** are probably not the ones calling this other character a ******. It's just people coming to individual conclusions and posting them, not some grand misogynistic bigotry. Every character get's called every variety of nonsense, that's the nature of the internet in general and these forums in particular.

 

And yes, no doubt some of the people calling them whatever are doing so with deeply bigoted reasons. But rushing to tar every critic of certain characters with that same brush is just grotesque.

 

I love lots of BioWare's female characters. I dislike some of them. I hate one or two. This has nothing to do with having a problem with women and everything to do with having a problem with certain characters.

 

 

Sweet baby Jesus, hakuna your tatas!

 

One image is mocking Vivienne's haters and another post is talking about their annoyance with people who get angry over characters having their own (strong) opinions. Neither of those posts mentioned people who dislike Vivienne or call female character's a 'b!tch' are racist or sexist.

 

So quit being so hyper-defense; it's only counter productive when you rant how you're totally not racist/sexist/bigoted when the post you're replying to didn't even mention it.

[robertthebard]

Someone doth protest too much, methinks.

 

I never made any accusations I simply pointed to a trend of how every strong woman character Bioware makes gets called a b!tch. And you seem to want to make it very clear you aren't anti-gay or sexist and even did the ,"I can't be a bigot because i have an X friend," with your comment about Sera. So maybe you need to do a little self reflection as to the the actual cause of your knee jerk post. It has been my experience that those that are loudest in their claims of not being a bigot turn out to be a bigot. Which makes perfect sense people who aren't bigots don't need to show the world they aren't bigots because it is SELF EVIDENT.

 

Also the only group I singled out where the rainbow and unicorn crowd when did this group of gamers ever get associated with sexists or homophobes? You really doth protest too much, methinks.

No, and I have the infractions here to back it up.  If I say "I'm not responsible for how you feel", I'm being insensitive, and have managed two infractions for that.  I've had almost as many posts edited in the "can we see more of the FInquisitor thread as I've made in other threads, some of them completely removed, because I refuse to be a scapegoat for a feminist agenda.  It's ironic that your view is everyone but you should "deal with it", but when that is turned on you, this is the response.

 

Here's the real kicker, the thread title makes it perfectly clear what the thread is about, and yet, despite your professed distaste for such topics, you came in with guns blazing to defend that "strong female character", instead of just ignoring it.  So, since the name of the game here is assign motives:  You came into this thread looking to start a fight, and forward a feminist agenda.

 

Just another point here:  Who cares what group you decided to target on your crusade?  So the last time it was some other group, and the next time it'll be yet another?  Why is it that you can't take your own advice, and just deal with it?  I can tell you why:  Because you're a victim of some long running hate crime committed by the game industry, and male gamers that don't have a clue who you are, and you have to "speak out" against injustice against pixels everywhere.

 

Let me give you one more example of how stupid this idea is:  I absolutely despise Alistair.  However, as a character in a video game, I absolutely love the fact that he was so well written that he elicited that response from me.  Does this mean that I just hate men for the sake of hating men?  Is there some SJW term for that too?  He's not gay, so I can't be a homophobe, he's not a woman so I can't be misogynist about it, so maybe, the reality of the situation is that I simply don't like him?  There is no level of "Politically Correct" that's going to change the fact that some people don't like other people, simply because of who they are instead of what their sexual orientation/gender/lack of gender may be.  The sooner people wrap their heads around that concept, the better off the world is going to be.

[Toasted Llama]

Here's the real kicker, the thread title makes it perfectly clear what the thread is about, and yet, despite your professed distaste for such topics, you came in with guns blazing to defend that "strong female character", instead of just ignoring it.  So, since the name of the game here is assign motives:  You came into this thread looking to start a fight, and forward a feminist agenda.

 

Just another point here:  Who cares what group you decided to target on your crusade?  So the last time it was some other group, and the next time it'll be yet another?  Why is it that you can't take your own advice, and just deal with it?  I can tell you why:  Because you're a victim of some long running hate crime committed by the game industry, and male gamers that don't have a clue who you are, and you have to "speak out" against injustice against pixels everywhere.

 

Oh good grief, your victim complex is through the roof. You too; hakuna your damn tatas.

 

Stop pretending that every time a female character gets defended it must be because of feminists reasoning or pushing some sort of agenda.

 

The comment was targeted a general attitude of people disliking characters for having differing opinion and not agreeing with the protagonist; the only reason why 'strong female character' is being mentioned in this thread is because, surprise surprise, Vivienne is a woman.

 

The "deal with it" part could also have been a funny nod to another character using that line in a game you might know.

[German Soldier]

To me Vivienne is awesome i like her character

[CoM Solaufein]

That's a manly picture of her.

[Gothfather]

No, and I have the infractions here to back it up.  If I say "I'm not responsible for how you feel", I'm being insensitive, and have managed two infractions for that.  I've had almost as many posts edited in the "can we see more of the FInquisitor thread as I've made in other threads, some of them completely removed, because I refuse to be a scapegoat for a feminist agenda.  It's ironic that your view is everyone but you should "deal with it", but when that is turned on you, this is the response.

 

Here's the real kicker, the thread title makes it perfectly clear what the thread is about, and yet, despite your professed distaste for such topics, you came in with guns blazing to defend that "strong female character", instead of just ignoring it.  So, since the name of the game here is assign motives:  You came into this thread looking to start a fight, and forward a feminist agenda.

 

Just another point here:  Who cares what group you decided to target on your crusade?  So the last time it was some other group, and the next time it'll be yet another?  Why is it that you can't take your own advice, and just deal with it?  I can tell you why:  Because you're a victim of some long running hate crime committed by the game industry, and male gamers that don't have a clue who you are, and you have to "speak out" against injustice against pixels everywhere.

 

Let me give you one more example of how stupid this idea is:  I absolutely despise Alistair.  However, as a character in a video game, I absolutely love the fact that he was so well written that he elicited that response from me.  Does this mean that I just hate men for the sake of hating men?  Is there some SJW term for that too?  He's not gay, so I can't be a homophobe, he's not a woman so I can't be misogynist about it, so maybe, the reality of the situation is that I simply don't like him?  There is no level of "Politically Correct" that's going to change the fact that some people don't like other people, simply because of who they are instead of what their sexual orientation/gender/lack of gender may be.  The sooner people wrap their heads around that concept, the better off the world is going to be.

 

ROFLMFAO.

 

You really do live in your own little world don't you? Please tell me when did singling out the "rainbow and unicorns" crowd become code for bigots and sexists? I'd love to know, that was the only group I singling out and that was a direct response to the OP's boo hoo that Vivienne is a big meanie. I also pointed out a real trend that everyone calls Bioware's strong female character b!tches. Which isn't made up. I don't hear the accusation towards Tali'Zorah who isn't what i would call a type A personality.

 

I also can't help it if you are ignorant of the reference to DEAL. WITH. IT. A reference from the game this forum is about I might add. Which is more than a little sad.

 

 

And the irony is that she says this to a person complaining about foolish matters. Kind of like this entire thread. ohh Vivienne says mean things boo hoo. DEAL. WITH. IT.

 

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I'd love to know how me calling out the rainbow and unicorn crowd is me being a feminist and a SJW, how does that work? Seriously? Thou Doth protest too much, methinks. I even specifically explain what i mean by rainbows and unicorns wanting crowd wanting everyone being nice and perfect. How the frak is that social justice orientated?

 

Are you that intimidated by the mention of the phrase 'strong women' that you immediately think I am attacking your manhood? What did you see my avatar picture and assume my plumbing was the same as Vivienne's? I don't know if you bothered to read but my forum handle includes my gender. How can i be the a "victim of some long running hate crime committed by the game industry, and male gamers that don't have a clue who you are, and you have to "speak out" against injustice?" You are imagining things. And you really need to get a grip when you think someone by the name of GothFATHER is commenting because they feel victimized by male gamers.

 

Why do you keep bringing up sexual orientation? I never mentioned it at all.

 

You really have to make sure everyone knows you are not a bigot. Why? If you aren't a bigot that is self evident. I don't need to tell the forum that I'm not a bigot. why do you? It has truly been my experience that those who have to say their aren't bigots are actually bigots because they are well aware that their actions and words lead people to that conclusion.

 

GET.

 

A.

 

GRIP.

 

Despite what you may believe the feminists are not out to get you. You are acting paranoid when you start accusing male gamers and obviously male gamers at that because their gender is clearly displayed in their avatar name as feminist feeling victimized by the gaming industry. You are manufacturing your own victimization because you have lost touch with reality.