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[Addictress]

I saw a discussion in tumblr about this but it was an older post that just appeared when I opened the app and then moved down when the app refreshed to some unknown depths of tumblr history what's the theory on this? I always wondered if Abelas recognized Solas and in what regard? Is he clued into Solas' current spy network? Are they on the same page?

[Knight of Dane]

He didn't recognize him, and he can die, so don't hold your breath for a large role for him.

[Secret Rare]

He didn't recognize him, and he can die, so don't hold your breath for a large role for him.

I think that he recognize him

 

Abelas:"Elves such as you?"

 

Solas:"yes, such as I"

 

Saying that Abelas is dead is like saying that Corypheus was dead in Legacy,given the evident glowing spark emitted and released by his body before of his death

[Knight of Dane]

 

I think that he recognize him

 

Abelas:"Elves such as you?"

 

Solas:"yes, such as I"

 

Saying that Abelas is dead is like saying that Corypheus was dead in Legacy,given the evident glowing spark emitted and released by his body before of his death

 

 

No

[Mykel54]

He recognized that Solas is elvhen, that is ancient elf from Arlathan, not the Dread Wolf. Elvhen used to be spirits that took mortal forms, so they likely have some sort of "fade aura" on them, so this is likely what Abelas notices.

 

On the other hand, modern elves have adapted to a fadeless world, and no longer have a intrinsic connection with the fade - Abelas call them "shadows", likely meaning that they are like in black&white, as a non-elf inquisitor sees the crossroads sterile and death, while elves see it full of colour and life.

[Addictress]

He recognized that Solas is elvhen, that is ancient elf from Arlathan, not the Dread Wolf. Elvhen used to be spirits that took mortal forms, so they likely have some sort of "fade aura" on them, so this is likely what Abelas notices.

 

On the other hand, modern elves have adapted to a fadeless world, and no longer have a intrinsic connection with the fade - Abelas call them "shadows", likely meaning that they are like in black&white, as a non-elf inquisitor sees the crossroads sterile and death, while elves see it full of colour and life.

This makes sense.

[Dancing_Dolphin]

Yes, as others have pointed out, Abelas seems to recognize *what* Solas is, just not *who* he is. I can't help but wonder if it's more than Solas being an ancient elf. Abelas seems to disapprove of what Solas is almost as much as he disapproves of what a Dalish Quizzy is.

[Gervaise]

Much in the same way as he recognises the mark on your hand as ancient elf magic.   What really annoyed me about his recognition of Solas as an ancient elf is that we weren't allowed to mention it to Solas afterwards.    In particularly my Lavellan, who was really smarting from Abelas not recognising him as one of his own, wanted to ask Solas how come Abelas acknowledged him as an elvhen, but as with so much with Solas, we never get the chance to do so.

 

I think, though, if he recognised Solas as an ancient elf, then he must at least have seen him as a follower of Fen'Harel.    We know that all the servants/followers of the Evanuris had their vallaslin to indicate who had their allegiance.   Thus it follows that if he has not vallaslin, he had to be connected to Fen'Harel who would have been known to remove the markings from those who fled to his protection.

[Serza]

How are the Elvhen spirits, again?

 

Abelas recognizes Solas as one of the ancient Elves. That's it. He likely doesn't have a clue it's the Dread Wolf standing before him...

 

...and if he does, he knows better than to say it. After all, this is the Temple of Mythal we are talking about. All proof we have says he knows Solas is Elvhen. Not Fen'Harel.

[Dancing_Dolphin]

How are the Elvhen spirits, again?

I was wondering this myself.

[Mistic]

I was wondering this myself.

 

Me too.

 

I even doubt that Abelas recognized Solas as an ancient elf. The "elvhen" quote isn't much different from Dalish looking down on City Elves. When the Dalish Inquisitor tries to play the race card, Abelas says "you are not my people", not that they are not Elvhen; and just because he doesn't call Solas "a shadow" doesn't mean he doesn't think so too. I mean, if you also have Dorian in the party, he mentions elves in Tevinter as part of the same conversation to try to cheer up Abelas.

 

I don't say it can't be, but people are putting too much weight on words that we have seen used by Dalish in previous games and no ancient elven god in disguise was involved.

[greenbrownblue]

I saw a discussion in tumblr about this but it was an older post that just appeared when I opened the app and then moved down when the app refreshed to some unknown depths of tumblr history what's the theory on this? I always wondered if Abelas recognized Solas and in what regard? Is he clued into Solas' current spy network? Are they on the same page?

I think he knew. I will just point out a few facts that could prove it (more or less):

 

1. If you play a non-elven Inquisitor and you have Solas in your party, Abelas welcomes you with words "You stumble down our paths at the side of one of our own". He also recognizes the mark that the Inquisitor is bearing (it comes from Solas' orb).

 

2. He knew who Mythal was and knew that Fen'Harel did not kill her, so he knows who Dreadwolf is. I guess he pretty much knows everything about the Evanuris. I would not be surprised if he was as wise as Solas.

 

3. Assuming he was aware of what kind of knowledge kept the Vir'abelasan, he must have known the secret greeting that the Inquisitor who drunk from the well uses in the trespasser DLC to go past Solas' guard. The secret greeting was only known to Solas' friends, which means Mythal was very close to him. That would be a reason to trust Solas.

 

4. There is a certain sentence that Solas tells Abelas before he leaves. I know many people tried to translate it, but it CAN"T BE TRANSLATED BECAUSE THERE ARE CERTAIN WORDS WE YET DO NOT KNOW (that has not yet been used). According to this codex ( http://dragonage.wik...e_Elven_Writing ) , it is possible Abelas did not know that Mythal "lives", because he thought she was "resting" I would not be surprised if his sentence was to inform him that Mythal lives/endures or because he wanted to recruit him. Anyway, it's kinda weird that Solas tells him something and then Abelas just leaves without a word.

 

5. Assuming my spirit theory is right (at leat in some parts) then there is a chance that Abelas sensed a Solas' spirit. Especially if all ancient elves were tied to spirits.

[Scofield]

funny i always took abelas meaning in reference to solas as "elves of this time"

[greenbrownblue]

How are the Elvhen spirits, again?

 

Abelas recognizes Solas as one of the ancient Elves. That's it. He likely doesn't have a clue it's the Dread Wolf standing before him...

 

...and if he does, he knows better than to say it. After all, this is the Temple of Mythal we are talking about. All proof we have says he knows Solas is Elvhen. Not Fen'Harel.

Check out this theory  http://forum.bioware...rld-has-to-die/

[Vit246]

I really wish Abelas had shown up in Trespasser and my elf inquisitor could interact with him again.

[Frybread76]

He recognized that Solas is elvhen, that is ancient elf from Arlathan, not the Dread Wolf. Elvhen used to be spirits that took mortal forms, so they likely have some sort of "fade aura" on them, so this is likely what Abelas notices.

 

On the other hand, modern elves have adapted to a fadeless world, and no longer have a intrinsic connection with the fade - Abelas call them "shadows", likely meaning that they are like in black&white, as a non-elf inquisitor sees the crossroads sterile and death, while elves see it full of colour and life.

 

I thought humans and elves were intrinsically connected to the Fade, which is why they dream.  And those who have a stronger connection to the Fade can cast spells, but even mages aren't as strongly connected to the Fade as the ancient elvhen.

[ModernAcademic]

Much in the same way as he recognises the mark on your hand as ancient elf magic.   What really annoyed me about his recognition of Solas as an ancient elf is that we weren't allowed to mention it to Solas afterwards.    In particularly my Lavellan, who was really smarting from Abelas not recognising him as one of his own, wanted to ask Solas how come Abelas acknowledged him as an elvhen, but as with so much with Solas, we never get the chance to do so.

 

I think, though, if he recognised Solas as an ancient elf, then he must at least have seen him as a follower of Fen'Harel.    We know that all the servants/followers of the Evanuris had their vallaslin to indicate who had their allegiance.   Thus it follows that if he has not vallaslin, he had to be connected to Fen'Harel who would have been known to remove the markings from those who fled to his protection.

 

If I may add something to this excellent point, probably, also the fact that ancient elves are able to see magic like Kieran does. Kieran, like Abelas, sees the magic glowing in your hand even when it's not flashing green. Perhaps that's because of their closer connection to the Fade, since they are creatures from another time, when the Veil didn't exist. So maybe their perception of magic is greater than that of your average mage.

 

Remember how Solas tells you in Trespasser that because every person had been cut off from the Fade, when he woke up, he felt as though he walked in a world of Tranquil? This 6th sense, extrasensorial perception or whatever you wish to call is something Abelas,Solas, Kieran, Morrigan and Flemeth all have, but not common mages born after the Veil was created.

 

Curious, isn't it? It's like the Veil erases or dampens one or your senses, the one connected to magic. Maybe that's why there were only elves in the beginning. Solas says the other races - humans, qunari, etc - only came to be after the Veil was created. So elven blood, the old blood as it's called in-game, has run so thin over the years that common elves still have some sensitivity to the Fade, but can't sharpen their "extra sense" to fully access it as they should.

 

If the Veil is one day lifted, will everyone be born with the gift of magic? And will everyone slowly evolve to become elves again? So many questions.

[Addictress]

If I may add something to this excellent point, probably, also the fact that ancient elves are able to see magic like Kieran does. Kieran, like Abelas, sees the magic glowing in your hand even when it's not flashing green. Perhaps that's because of their closer connection to the Fade, since they are creatures from another time, when the Veil didn't exist. So maybe their perception of magic is greater than that of your average mage.

Remember how Solas tells you in Trespasser that because every person had been cut off from the Fade, when he woke up, he felt as though he walked in a world of Tranquil? This 6th sense, extrasensorial perception or whatever you wish to call is something Abelas,Solas, Kieran, Morrigan and Flemeth all have, but not common mages born after the Veil was created.

Curious, isn't it? It's like the Veil erases or dampens one or your senses, the one connected to magic. Maybe that's why there were only elves in the beginning. Solas says the other races - humans, qunari, etc - only came to be after the Veil was created. So elven blood, the old blood as it's called in-game, has run so thin over the years that common elves still have some sensitivity to the Fade, but can't sharpen their "extra sense" to fully access it as they should.

If the Veil is one day lifted, will everyone be born with the gift of magic? And will everyone slowly evolve to become elves again? So many questions.

Wait. When did Solas say the other races came after the veil??

[Gervaise]

I'm pretty sure that Solas never definitively said that other races came after the Veil; all he said was that he wanted to re-create the world of the elves, when they were the dominant species, and people have simply assumed that he meant they were the only race at that time.  

 

According to World of Thedas 1 the Neromenians arrived in the north some 300 years before the elves felt the quickening.   Since the quickening is related to the Veil, that indicates there were humans around before the Veil.    The Dalish legends also state that the humans arrived first, which is why they associated their arrival with losing their gods, their magic and their immortality.    One of their other beliefs was that when they remembered what it was to be true elves, their gods would return to them; so there is this idea that their gods abandoned them because they were mixing with the newcomers, so they withdrew from contact to try and show themselves worthy of their gods.    There were probably various factions of elves; those who followed Fen'Harel who knew what happened; those who followed the other Evanuris who worked out that Fen'Harel was responsible and had the accompanying legend (that was mostly correct about this) and I dare say those who found it impossible to believe that Fen'Harel was capable of imprisoning the gods, so assumed they were being punished instead.    The followers of Fen'Harel probably went straight into uthenera to await his return, thus leaving the others to manage the best they could.    The story about what happened was then passed down piecemeal and resulted in the version taught by the Dalish.

 

In the Dalish origin in DAO we found ruins that had clear evidence of humans and elves co-existing with a statue of an elven god; whilst it is possible this came from a later time, it would seem odd the humans and elves both worshipping the Creators if the humans had never known them.

 

Dwarves definitely came before the Veil.   The Timeline says they were discovered by the elves some 2000 years before the Quickening.   We also have all the codices regarding the battle with the Titans freeing the dwarves and Mythal being an important figure in this battle, so it was long before her murder and therefore before the Veil.

 

The only race for whom the origins are less certain are the Qunari/Kossith.   It is strongly hinted that they are some sort of dragon/human hybrid.    Possibly they are the result of Evanuris mating with humans (for whatever reason) since they are closely connected to dragons and could take dragon form.    Alternatively they could be connected to the strange race mentioned in both the Descent and Jaws of Hakkon (the snake people).

[greenbrownblue]

I really wish Abelas had shown up in Trespasser and my elf inquisitor could interact with him again.

Same here :x ... I actually was hoping to see him in the comics, but instead there is that boring couple of magekillers... Sigh.... I hope the wont be a part of the DAIV.

[Vit246]

Same here :x ... I actually was hoping to see him in the comics, but instead there is that boring couple of magekillers... Sigh.... I hope the wont be a part of the DAIV.

Seems like a wasted opportunity not to use him and have him at Solas's side.

[Sifr]

How are the Elvhen spirits, again?

 

Yeah, I'm normally the first person to admit enjoying the odd bit of speculation now and again to explain away lore issues, but people are throwing out the whole "Elves are Spirits" thing like it's something that's already canon, rather than just a fun theory?

[Chiramu]

Abelas was a slave to Mythal so he shouldn't really know who he was would he? Masters don't tell slaves their secrets. Such loyalty though, it's strange how Abelas was so loyal to Mythal.

[Gervaise]

The odd part is that he has spent thousands of years guarding the shrine and then ups and leaves after your visit.   Okay the Well of Sorrows is no more but it is still Mythal's temple.  However, Solas says something to him and I'm pretty sure it was more than he let on to us, which could account for the abrupt departure.    He doesn't recognise Solas as the Dread Wolf but I'm pretty sure he recognises him as a follower of the Dread Wolf.

 

Another odd thing, why didn't Flemeth/Mythal drop in on Abelas and Co at some point?     Why were the other Evanuris still honoured in Mythal's Temple if they had been responsible for her death?    If Abelas hadn't witnessed this, how did he know the Dread Wolf wasn't responsible?    Was he aware that Fen'Harel was bound to Mythal in some way, much as he was, and therefore it would have been impossible for him to have harmed her?

[Mistic]

The odd part is that he has spent thousands of years guarding the shrine and then ups and leaves after your visit.   Okay the Well of Sorrows is no more but it is still Mythal's temple.

 

Remember that their visitors aren't tourists. No matter what you may offer to Abelas, in the end War Table missions show that there's still fighting going on near the temple, and then scholars from all over the world flock there to find out more about ancient elves. Not to mention that the Inquisitor and company left the temple just before Corypheus stormed it with even larger numbers. Even if we know that in the end everything will be fine and Corypheus will leave the temple, at that very moment it was obvious that the place was lost to the invading forces.

 

Another odd thing, why didn't Flemeth/Mythal drop in on Abelas and Co at some point?     Why were the other Evanuris still honoured in Mythal's Temple if they had been responsible for her death?    If Abelas hadn't witnessed this, how did he know the Dread Wolf wasn't responsible?    Was he aware that Fen'Harel was bound to Mythal in some way, much as he was, and therefore it would have been impossible for him to have harmed her?

 

1. Probably because she took centuries to find a suitable host, and then Flemeth would give the same answer she gives to a Dalish Inquisitor.

2. That's a good question.

3. You don't need to witness a crime to know another person wasn't responsible. Otherwise, judges couldn't do their jobs. For all we know, that the other gods murdered Mythal could have been common knowledge at the time, the same we can state that Lincoln wasn't killed by Robert E. Lee even if we weren't there.

4. That's an intriguing possibility. Could Solas have been a servant of Mythal in the past?