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[UniformGreyColor]

I finally complete the main storyline of the vanilla game. I have killed Corypheus. I did have a little trouble with the combat fighting the dragon at the end, but not enough to get a game over. I was level 17 I think (other chars were 16) and I was playing on Nightmare.

 

I pretty much spent half the battle with the dragon with zero potions and somehow managed to kill it anyways. I also forgot to stock up on extra slot potions grenades and tonics, woops. I would have liked to find out what happens to the dragon I summoned.

 

Overall I'm impressed with the way the story was done -I know a lot of people didn't like the way it ended. Here's my thinking on why I thought the ending wasn't so bad: 

Corypheus is not really the ultimate evil that we are to face. Knowing this as I do because I went through all the credits and saw what happened afterwards was what really made things interesting. Corypheus is the guy who is the obvious antagonist who everyone thinks is the bad guy until you realize that he is not the sole person responsible for what most of the journey directs. I actually think this is a hallmark of good writing - that the ultimate villain is not so easily identified. I will also say that I thought it was a nice touch for the protagonist to not even know about the situation between Flemeth and Solas.

I think one of the main reasons why people didn't really like the ending is partly because the cinematics were a bit rushed it seemed like. If they would have slowed things down a little bit and made it more dramatic so you could really soak in what was happening, I think it would have had a different effect on people. But, and I have said this in a round about way before, I think if you actually look at the plot table of this game (and its sequel) its going to look like good writing. When I say this I mean the actual tagible events that take place in the story. The plotline has things in it that a actually really quite intriguing IMO.

 

I think overall my favorite quest from the whole vanilla game was What Pride Had Wrought. I had to really sit there and debate who was going to drink from the well. As it turns out, I very well could have made the worst mistake in the entire game by deciding to drink from the well myself (this is because that part of the game was not spoiled for me as well as many other things not being spoiled because I decided to stay out of this section of the forum during that time). It will be very interesting to see if what I think happened with Solas and Flemeth actually happened. I actually think that Flemeth's soul was consumed by Solas. This begs the question, will have have to be in servitude to Solas, who I presume to be the real bad guy? Such a quandary will really make the game interesting with Trespasser and opens up a world where choices in the game really do amount to the story played out.

 

I must say this: Oiy that twist with Flemeth and Solas was really something else, I absolutely cannot wait to see what BW is cooking up for us next.

 

So the real question is this: I have defeated Corypheus, one down. It looks to be that I will have to defeat Solas next, one to go?

 

(please don't spoil anything further for me please, anything that is within the vanilla game is fine, but I have yet to play the DLC and I would prefer to be as spoil free as possible.)

[Dai Grepher]

Tell me if there is more than one, but don't spoil it for me. That's what you're requesting?

 

If you don't want spoilers then you shouldn't ask the question. A yes or a no will be a spoiler for you.

 

Lets just say that the Dalish legends include several elven gods. The Dread Wolf is considered one of those several. If the Dread Wolf exists, it's possible the others exist as well.

[Big I]

(please don't spoil anything further for me please, anything that is within the vanilla game is fine, but I have yet to play the DLC and I would prefer to be as spoil free as possible.)

 

Not suire what you're asking. Do you want to know if Solas is the next antagonist or not?

[UniformGreyColor]

Not suire what you're asking. Do you want to know if Solas is the next antagonist or not?

 

Not particularly. Just giving some thoughts on the story so far.

[Reznore57]

I don't agree with the ending being satisfying.

Thing is you build an army to challenge Corypheus , you get some of the best fighters around as your team mates...and you end up with a Darkspawn having a temper tantrum in the middle of nowhere.

Cory without his immortality became suddenly irrelevant , he isn't a big challenge as far as fighting goes , he doesn't challenge your morals , he doesn't raise any interesting questions , nothing , nada.

Gameplay wise there's also not much going on , you avoid some laser of doom , you climb up , you spank a dragon.

Would have been nice to have a final fight with all party members involved and some soldiers from the Inquisition.Think ME2 , suicide mission.

 

The epilogue is good , but it's a video game.Having some good story writing divorced from the player character isn't all that fantastic .

It's also the obvious sequel bait .So yeah it's good , doesn't change the fact that Cory Imho was weaksauce as far as villains goes.

And cynical me remembers the sequel bait in DA2 "Oh noes the wardens and Hawke have gone missing at the same time dun, dun , dun".Yeah...

 

I'd say Trespasser solved some problems , but you'll see that for yourself.

[AnimalBoy]

Why only level 17?

[Fiskrens]

Why only level 17?

Non-completionist mode, it sounds like. Something I've never managed myself.

[UniformGreyColor]

Why only level 17?

 

Non-completionist mode, it sounds like. Something I've never managed myself.

 

When I cam back to video games I started a new character. My previous character that I used, was just after Skyhold and at level 12 there. I have some other chars as well, but none of them as far as that one. The one I completed the Vanilla game, had a little over 100 hours. My current char has pretty much everything done in the hinterlands and a few notable quests completed spattered throughout other areas. As I understand it, I can still complete most everything after the end of the vanilla game, so I can still do a completionist run with the current char if I want.

[Fiskrens]

When I cam back to video games I started a new character. My previous character that I used, was just after Skyhold and at level 12 there. I have some other chars as well, but none of them as far as that one. The one I completed the Vanilla game, had a little over 100 hours. My current char has pretty much everything done in the hinterlands and a few notable quests completed spattered throughout other areas. As I understand it, I can still complete most everything after the end of the vanilla game, so I can still do a completionist run with the current char if I want.

Don't get me wrong here, I didn't mean any criticism. I've told myself to do some casual, story-only play, but I always find myself hunting shards after a while anyway .

[UniformGreyColor]

Don't get me wrong here, I didn't mean any criticism. I've told myself to do some casual, story-only play, but I always find myself hunting shards after a while anyway .

 

No harm done, don't worry about it. Usually when I complete a story I also do a completionist run. The difference here is that I heard so much buzz about Trespasser that I just wanted to get to it sooner rather that later. The games been out a while, its a little sad that I have only just completed it now in the manner that I have.

[KaiserShep]

I actually enjoy the fact that Corypheus was basically a huge red herring throughout the whole thing. 

[In Exile]

I don't agree with the ending being satisfying.
Thing is you build an army to challenge Corypheus , you get some of the best fighters around as your team mates...and you end up with a Darkspawn having a temper tantrum in the middle of nowhere.
Cory without his immortality became suddenly irrelevant , he isn't a big challenge as far as fighting goes , he doesn't challenge your morals , he doesn't raise any interesting questions , nothing , nada.
Gameplay wise there's also not much going on , you avoid some laser of doom , you climb up , you spank a dragon.
Would have been nice to have a final fight with all party members involved and some soldiers from the Inquisition.Think ME2 , suicide mission.

The epilogue is good , but it's a video game.Having some good story writing divorced from the player character isn't all that fantastic .
It's also the obvious sequel bait .So yeah it's good , doesn't change the fact that Cory Imho was weaksauce as far as villains goes.
And cynical me remembers the sequel bait in DA2 "Oh noes the wardens and Hawke have gone missing at the same time dun, dun , dun".Yeah...

I'd say Trespasser solved some problems , but you'll see that for yourself.

That wasn't the sequel bait in DA2. That was the thing the fans couldn't let go of, much like the DAA Epilogue about more adventures.

[Reznore57]

That wasn't the sequel bait in DA2. That was the thing the fans couldn't let go of, much like the DAA Epilogue about more adventures.

 

Nope it's a sequel bait .

It wasn't the heroes are gone on some random adventures.

It was "Oh the warden and hawke have disappeared , and the world is in trouble , something strange is going on , we need to look into this".

As a player you're left wondering what the hell is going on .

There wasn't any reason to bring the warden into this , Cass and Leliana are there for Chantry business , the warden has nothing to do with that in any way shape or form .

 

Besides the whole point of the story is Cass came to Kirkwall looking for Hawke , she leaves still looking for Hawke...

[Dai Grepher]

DA2's sequel bait was ultimately discarded. It implied that the Hero and Champion disappeared under equally mysterious circumstances, and Leliana outright states that she believes this is no coincidence.

 

Then in DAI we find that not only was it a coincidence, but the Hero and Champion did not actually disappear mysteriously. The Hero willingly left on a secret quest that Leliana knew about and kept secret (in some worldstates), and Varric was just lying about Hawke's availability.

 

I would call Corypheus in Legacy a loose end, not sequel bait. Sure he was the villain in DA:I, but I and some others suspected he was just being used by a bigger bad. Legacy was just how he was introduced for future appearances.

[almasy87]

You need to play Trespasser

[In Exile]

Nope it's a sequel bait .

It wasn't the heroes are gone on some random adventures.

It was "Oh the warden and hawke have disappeared , and the world is in trouble , something strange is going on , we need to look into this".

As a player you're left wondering what the hell is going on .

There wasn't any reason to bring the warden into this , Cass and Leliana are there for Chantry business , the warden has nothing to do with that in any way shape or form .

 

Besides the whole point of the story is Cass came to Kirkwall looking for Hawke , she leaves still looking for Hawke...

 

I really wasn't wondering what was going on at all. In fact, because I had a Warden who only went through the Eluvian, I assumed first that this was just reactive dialogue to the HOF sauntering off with Morrigan. Later, I just thought that Bioware screwed up their scene by recording dialogue for the FMV that only worked with one worldstate. At no point did I ever actually wonder what was up with the HOF until people came to be of the view that this disappearance was unrelated to Witch Hunt. 

[Dai Grepher]

But Witch Hunt had no end-game save. So there's no way the choice to go through the eluvian was even recorded for DA2. And beside that, the fact that you can choose not to go through it meant the disappearance had nothing to do with the eluvian. Plus, Finn would have been witness to the Hero leaving through the eluvian, which means he would have told others what happened.

[robertthebard]

Nope it's a sequel bait .

It wasn't the heroes are gone on some random adventures.

It was "Oh the warden and hawke have disappeared , and the world is in trouble , something strange is going on , we need to look into this".

As a player you're left wondering what the hell is going on .

There wasn't any reason to bring the warden into this , Cass and Leliana are there for Chantry business , the warden has nothing to do with that in any way shape or form .

 

Besides the whole point of the story is Cass came to Kirkwall looking for Hawke , she leaves still looking for Hawke...

 

 

DA2's sequel bait was ultimately discarded. It implied that the Hero and Champion disappeared under equally mysterious circumstances, and Leliana outright states that she believes this is no coincidence.

 

Then in DAI we find that not only was it a coincidence, but the Hero and Champion did not actually disappear mysteriously. The Hero willingly left on a secret quest that Leliana knew about and kept secret (in some worldstates), and Varric was just lying about Hawke's availability.

 

I would call Corypheus in Legacy a loose end, not sequel bait. Sure he was the villain in DA:I, but I and some others suspected he was just being used by a bigger bad. Legacy was just how he was introduced for future appearances.

Here's the problem with this "sequel bait" scenario.  Leliana never stated that my Warden disappeared.  She knows damn good and well what happened to her, as she was at the funeral.  The problem is, as we can see by there being a new "bring back the Warden" thread is that people can't let go, and if the Warden had been left out of that, for those with surviving Wardens, we'd have had yet another BSN meltdown.

[Dai Grepher]

But she didn't have to imply there was a link. She could have just said that Hawke's disappearance makes more sense because Hawke may be on the run from the Chantry looking for a scapegoat. Meanwhile the Hero's disappearance "remains a mystery", with Leliana knowing where the Hero is but choosing to say nothing.

[Sifr]

DA2's sequel bait was ultimately discarded. It implied that the Hero and Champion disappeared under equally mysterious circumstances, and Leliana outright states that she believes this is no coincidence.

 

Then in DAI we find that not only was it a coincidence, but the Hero and Champion did not actually disappear mysteriously. The Hero willingly left on a secret quest that Leliana knew about and kept secret (in some worldstates), and Varric was just lying about Hawke's availability.

 

I suppose you can handwave it that even a non-romanced Leliana appears to have been in contact with the Warden and possibly knew that the Warden was going on a secret mission, but didn't know the details of where exactly they'd end up (even if she knew roughly where they started). And after not having heard from them for several months, she began worrying that something had happened to them.

 

Leliana assuming that the Warden and Hawke's disappearances were linked might be in part due to Cassandra's influence, as we know that Cassandra has a tendency to jump to conclusions and at first assumed both Hawke and the Inquisitor were involved in elaborate conspiracies against the Chantry. After having worked together for several years, Cass' bad habits might have rubbed off on her a little.

 

Or Leliana briefly fell into the same kind of bardic paranoia as Marjolaine, having gotten so used to elaborate plots within plots, that she sometimes forgets that coincidences do occur and not everything is being orchestrated as part of a larger scheme.

[Dai Grepher]

I suppose you can handwave it that even a non-romanced Leliana appears to have been in contact with the Warden and possibly knew that the Warden was going on a secret mission, but didn't know the details of where exactly they'd end up (even if she knew roughly where they started). And after not having heard from them for several months, she began worrying that something had happened to them.

 

Leliana assuming that the Warden and Hawke's disappearances were linked might be in part due to Cassandra's influence, as we know that Cassandra has a tendency to jump to conclusions and at first assumed both Hawke and the Inquisitor were involved in elaborate conspiracies against the Chantry. After having worked together for several years, Cass' bad habits might have rubbed off on her a little.

 

Or Leliana briefly fell into the same kind of bardic paranoia as Marjolaine, having gotten so used to elaborate plots within plots, that she sometimes forgets that coincidences do occur and not everything is being orchestrated as part of a larger scheme.

 

Yes, that's certainly the case in many worldstates. But in mine Leliana and the Hero were close friends, and my Hero married Anora and ruled jointly with her. So Leliana's first stop would have logically been Denerim, where I'm sure Anora would have explained everything to Leliana. But I'm sure any Cousland would have informed Fergus, whom Leliana said she knows.

 

Eh... but Leliana was on her own separate mission. I don't see how she would have picked up Cassandra's suspicious nature. And she was the one who backed Cassandra off of the Prisoner in Haven. She also favored having Cole stay. But this is fine. I don't fault Leliana for suspecting a link in the disappearances, if she thought they really had disappeared. The problem is that in some worldstates she knew for a fact that the Hero didn't disappear mysteriously, therefore the Champion's couldn't possibly be linked.