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"I don't make decisions for you, neither you will for me" by your companion


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#151
Sylvius the Mad

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Totally false.

Every hear an actor asked the question "what did you bring to the character?"

That is them making decision of who or what or why their character is as they are and role playing. To say actors have zero agency is to lie they have the most limited form of agency but then again when it comes to role playing you think anything that doesn't emulate a pen and paper game isn't role playing. Yet role playing isn't about rules. It is about taking on a different role than yourself and those roles can be imposed on by other people.

Often times couples role-play in bed and one person has a fantasy so they "impose" a role on their partner to role-play to fill their fantasy.

I know I know that doesn't count. Because in your imaginary world you have defined role-playing is such a manner that no DICTIONARY definition even comes close.

Hell every definition of role-play I know almost always used the word act as in act out a role. yet somehow acting isn't roleplaying. :rolleyes:

Let's assume you're right, and that roleplaying is acting. The actor makes moment-to-moment decisions about his character's mental state, is fully aware of that mental state 100% of the time, and never gets contradicted within a given take (because the only thing that could contradict him, the lines and stage directions, are known to him in advance).

Mass Effect doesn't meet even that standard.

#152
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Heads on pikes! They are Traitors and must be purged!

 

 

But really depending on what that choice is, I might let it go.


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#153
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Heads on pikes! They are Traitors and must be purged!

 

 

But really depending on what that choice is, I might let it go.

 

Hmmm....is it strange I got "Vlad Tepes" pop-up when I was reading your comment lol



#154
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Hmmm....is it strange I got "Vlad Tepes" pop-up when I was reading your comment lol


Nothing like waking up to bread dipped your enemies blood, while innocent people die in agony on spikes all around you.

You humans are alright.

#155
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Hmmm....is it strange I got "Vlad Tepes" pop-up when I was reading your comment lol

 

I'd love his mustache and hat...not gonna lie.



#156
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As I mentioned Geralt/Ciri fine example.

 

Geralt's choices do affect her and depending on them she makes a choice. Very simple thing in here as well. Our choices will affect our companions of course, but at final point in where they chose who to be they chose their own way.

 

Unless they are beyond any logic and/or totally arbitrary.

Like a couple of those choices are.



#157
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Leliana in DAI was really badly handled.

Ignoring all your choices in the game - and all the choices in Origins - because you picked "wrong" in one of two at best tangentially related conversations is silly.

Having Leliana turn either crazy and evil or saintly was ridiculous.

Not letting the Inquisitor do anything about crazy Leliana murdering people against their orders was stupid.

 

I actually liked this part.  One of my characters did nothing to stop her from following her own plan, she could have but didn't.  There was no reason Leilana should listen to her after that.  And while I was surprised when it happened, I actually liked this.  


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I actually liked this part.  One of my characters did nothing to stop her from following her own plan, she could have but didn't.  There was no reason Leilana should listen to her after that.  And while I was surprised when it happened, I actually liked this.


Even leaving aside the logic of her turning into two totally different characters based on some unrelated dialogue from months ago, she should listen to the Inquisitor because the Inquisitor is her boss. And if not, then it at least should be possible to fire her, if not arrest her and put her on trial.

#159
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Sounds like the choice for the Divine!

This is basically like Leliana and Natalie in DA:I. If she's hardened she makes a certain decision one way, regardless of what you tell her. If she's not hardened she does whichever choice you ask. The markers for hardening her, particularly the earliest one, are kinda bs imo. But that can be fixed.



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My problem with hardening her or not in DAI was hardening or softening her in DAO counted for nothing



#161
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My problem with hardening her or not in DAI was hardening or softening her in DAO counted for nothing

 

I didn't really have a problem with it. People drift to their natural direction. Felt realistic like Garrus her natural tendency was to go hard, and only the input of key individuals could sway them away and not necessarily permanently.



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Not to mention 10 years or so had passed, which allows a lot of leeway for how her character had developed.

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Heads on pikes! They are Traitors and must be purged!

 

 

But really depending on what that choice is, I might let it go.

Previous ME games were pretty good about allowing me to punish TRAITORS for their treachery, like Wrex and Legion when they tried to kill me. DA as well I guess given that I played through Origins once and was able to kill that italian Legolas or whatever guy when he became a TRAITOR.

I really hate TRAITORS more than just about anything, and agree that options should always be given to make them pay. 

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#164
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That was so stupid I actually cringed.

 

._.

 

I haven't done that since the Prequels 



#165
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It won't end well. People will just simply complain that the choice given is meaningless.



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That was so stupid I actually cringed.

 

._.

 

I haven't done that since the Prequels 

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My problem with hardening her or not in DAI was hardening or softening her in DAO counted for nothing

People change with time and new experiences, I think this pretty much can be chalked up to the fact there's 10 years in between DA:O and the start of DA:I and is fine.

 

A far bigger issue is that she shows up at all if you lop her head off.



#168
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Previous ME games were pretty good about allowing me to punish TRAITORS for their treachery, like Wrex and Legion when they tried to kill me. DA as well I guess given that I played through Origins once and was able to kill that italian Legolas or whatever guy when he became a TRAITOR.

I really hate TRAITORS more than just about anything, and agree that options should always be given to make them pay. 

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So you only play DA: O?  Never played DA2?  The game sucks, but the Arishok was the greatest thing Bioware ever created.

 



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So you only play DA: O?  Never played DA2?  The game sucks, but the Arishok was the greatest thing Bioware ever created.

 

Yeah, the Arishok kinda reminds me of the Arishok, I hope the Arishok returns in the next Dragon Age since the Arishok survived canonically in the last game and even appear in the comic. While they have the same personality, Arishok is also more serious than Arishok who likes candy and butterflies. 


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#170
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but the Arishok was the greatest thing Bioware ever created.

 

Hardly. The Arishok was an imposing boss, but that's about it.

 

Hardly anything great about him or the Qunari Troll Logic™.



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Yeah, the Arishok kinda reminds me of the Arishok, I hope the Arishok returns in the next Dragon Age since the Arishok survived canonically in the last game and even appear in the comic. While they have the same personality, Arishok is also more serious than Arishok who likes candy and butterflies. 

 

It's funny that this actually makes sense.  Well done.  I don't agree though. The current Arishok while cool has nothing on THE Arishok. 

 

also....

 

 

Featuring one of Uematsu's greatest works IMO. 


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#172
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My problem with hardening her or not in DAI was hardening or softening her in DAO counted for nothing

It counted for nothing in DAI, sure, but lots of time had passed.

It counted for something in DAO.

I have no problem with this.

#173
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If I must suffer a cast of NPCs... I'd at least want them as well written characters with their own agendas.

 

Not a series of obsequious marionettes like nearly ever NPC becomes in a Bioware game.

 

This isn't the SIMs - I shouldn't have control of ANY other character than my PC (of course, I want multi-PC RPGs, but we don't have those yet).

 

cRPGs are pitiful shadows... but if I dictated to my DM what his NPCs said, did or felt he'd give me the heartiest of laughs and then proceed to prove otherwise.



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So you only play DA: O?  Never played DA2?  The game sucks, but the Arishok was the greatest thing Bioware ever created.

Yes, but only once so I'm really in no place to comment on it. No (though that everyone says it's garbage kinda makes me want to play it, seeing as I also like ME3). Unlikely because Biower also created Admiral Xen and the quarians.

Still, Sten was my favourite thing about Origins (along with Admiral Xen: Medieval Edition), so if Arishok is anything like that I'd probably like him.



#175
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Play it. DA2> ME3. That's my word, sun!