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[BronzTrooper]

What designers have to do with it?
It was the Maker

 

[Donquijote and 59 others]

It is complicated by minor details such as "it was written into the game that the Warden could die" .

So it was for Leliana, Oghreen and the warden but that didn't stop them to do their job.
I was Alive in DAA out of my grave just like the dwarf and the bard, why we should return into the greaveyard?

[Toasted Llama]

Semi certain this is a troll thread.

 

Anyway.

 

Dear OP:

 

[Artona]

Semi certain this is a troll thread.

 

 

It is. But troll thread can be crafted with love, sometimes even with spark of genius; this one, alas, is not one of them.

[Al Foley]

Yeah epic troll is epic. 

[midnight tea]

It is. But troll thread can be crafted with love, sometimes even with spark of genius; this one, alas, is not one of tchem.

 

This one is so annoyingly inept I'm shocked it already has two pages.

[GoldenGail3]

Meh.

[Al Foley]

Still though there are few things the devs could do that would seriously damage my interest in the next DA game, bringing back the HoF is one of them. As a playable character anyways. 

[Donquijote and 59 others]

I don't understand troll what?
We saw three characters that did not die despite being labelled as dead.
So what's the problem with the HoF?
they have just to expand the lore and find a way to explain what happen during the soul fusion with the archdemon,that's it.

[CardButton]

Weird to see this type of thread after so much time, is their a special holiday I'm not aware of? 

 

HoF returning has a lot of problems.  The voice acting alone will cause a headache for everyone involved (I don't think Bioware will backtrack to a silent protagonist now), but when you consider ret-conning a potential PC death it gets a little messy.  Retconning Lelianna was one thing, but bringing back a PC with so many possible options for choices and personality, that might be another.   

 

That being said if Bioware did bring them back I would have no issues if it makes sense in both setting and story.  At this point I doubt the HoF would be showing up anywhere other than perhaps Kal' Sharok and the Anderfels/Weisshaupt, but if Bioware has a story set up for them there ... Kudos, I wont complain as long as its good. 

[midnight tea]

I don't understand troll what?
We saw three characters that did not die despite being labelled as dead.
So what's the problem with the HoF?
they have just to expand the lore and find a way to explain what happen during the soul fusion with the archdemon,that's it.

 

...Really? This has to be explained?

How many "quantum states" does, say, Leliana have? Aside from some minor details (romanced or not, killed Majrolane or not), it's just two - she's either dead or not. Her history is pretty much the same - they're well-established characters and their story can be taken wherever the devs want it, since it's an NPC.

 

It's very different with the Warden, whose backstory and events of their life can be determined by their player. Do you realize just how many resources would have to be spent just to resurrect HoF and take into consideration all those varied states and life stories they have???, if they were just going to be resurrected for no reason other than "some players want it" and nothing else?

 

I mean, look at Inquisitor - it seems that they've been designed to appear to some extent on DA4 from the very start, but that also means that their history can't diverge as much at the end. All of Inquisitors - no matter of character or background (which is also mostly kept in the dark and not that very important to the story) have ended up ALIVE, minus a hand, planning their venture to search for new agents in Tevinter. That's not what happens with HoF.

[Big I]

I would love to have the Warden back. I certainly care about the HoF more than the Champion, or even the Inquisitor. At the very least they deserve a better fate than "they're off somewhere, doing something."

 

"Where's the Hero of Ferelden?"
"In the uncharted western lands, seeking a cure for the Calling."
"The western lands we've never heard mention of til this very moment?"

"That's right."

"Well isn't that convenient."

"Yes. Yes it is."

[Tidus]

Big I, At least in my after game story line my characters has a believable ending.

 

Neither Leliana or my warden dies in my games..

[Donquijote and 59 others]

...Really? This has to be explained?

How many "quantum states" does, say, Leliana have? Aside from some minor details (romanced or not, killed Majrolane or not), it's just two - she's either dead or not. Her history is pretty much the same - they're well-established characters and their story can be taken wherever the devs want it, since it's an NPC.

It's very different with the Warden, whose backstory and events of their life can be determined by their player. Do you realize just how many resources would have to be spent just to resurrect HoF and take into consideration all those varied states and life stories they have???, if they were just going to be resurrected for no reason other than "some players want it" and nothing else?

I mean, look at Inquisitor - it seems that they've been designed to appear to some extent on DA4 from the very start, but that also means that their history can't diverge as much at the end. All of Inquisitors - no matter of character or background (which is also mostly kept in the dark and not that very important to the story) have ended up ALIVE, minus a hand, planning their venture to search for new agents in Tevinter. That's not what happens with HoF.

What variation the HoF has?
Alive or dead that's it,if they appear in a new game with new companions(Like DAA) why they should care about their previous choices?
OK Leliana and Oghren are defined NPC ,the warden is not just like The Inquisitor why it is
more easy to bring back the Inquisitor?
If Solas is the antagonist logically with the quizzy they have to use more resources because Solas was for them a Friend or a Lover or an enemy.
For the warden he is just a stranger.

[midnight tea]

What variation the HoF has?

 

... Seriously?

 

They can have different origins. Different relationships. Different classes and specializations. Different genders. Different characters. Different voices. Different endings (dead, married to King Alistair, disappearing in a mirror with Morrigan, etc).

 

 

Alive or dead that's it,if they appear in a new game with new companions(Like DAA) why they should care about their previous choices?

 

DAA was an extension to DAO - done in the same engine and basically integrated into the main game. Add to that the fact that Bioware said that they'll never do extensions like DAA anymore, for variety of reasons.

 

 

OK Leliana and Oghren are defined NPC ,the warden is not just like The Inquisitor why it is

more easy to bring back the Inquisitor?

 

Because Inquisitor has been designed to return possibly from the very start. David Gaider even said (in one of recent interviews) that DAI is just half of the story arc - another half is now in new lead writer's hands. So the current story is pretty much written around Inky and Solas being featured in the next game (even if we don't know to what extent).

 

HoF wasn't - at that time they didn't even know if they'd be able to make future DA games. This is exactly why they can have very different endings (again: dead, alive, queen of Ferelden, going through mirror with Morrigan, etc). Gaider even said that (in the same interview) that ending variations in DAO epilogue made it very difficult to write or continue many plot points in DAI - and that's stuff concerning whereabouts of NPCs and established events, so can you imagine how difficult it would be with HoF?

 

Add to that stuff like silent protag issue and you get yourself a character that not even the Maker can resurrect.

 

 

If Solas is the antagonist logically with the quizzy they have to use more resources because Solas was for them a Friend or a Lover or an enemy.

For the warden he is just a stranger.

 

Solas isn't a villain like an Archdemon or even Corypheus. All things point to him not being treated just like another Big Bad to defeat. So HoF being a stranger and Inquisitor having a relationship (either negative or positive) is precisely the reason why Inquisitor will be back - not the other way around.

 

They'd have to spend even more resources taking into account all of the variations of story of HoF, accounting for their story during time of DA2 and DAI (they wouldn't just be able to wave it away if HoF was more than an impersonal cameo), the issue of the Calling slowly killing them and also building entirely new relationship between HoF and Solas.

[Nefla]

Every time someone shortens "hero of Ferelden" I think of...

[dantares83]

it will never happen because of the endless possibility of diff playthroughs

[KaiserShep]

Solas would be a stranger to the Warden, but the same isn't true the other way around. Solas knows full well who the Warden is. He even saw what went down at Ostagar from multiple perspectives. It would be pretty stupid to suggest getting people he doesn't know, only to wrangle one of the most famous people in Ferelden.

[thats1evildude]

You realize that if the Warden came back, they'll likely have a set voice, different specializations and potentially a different appearance? Most of what you remember fondly about the HoF will be different or gone.

Also, it is very difficult to set any know bad of significant plot around a potentially dead character. Leliana never came back; that was just a doppelgänger borne of magic. Do you want that?

[fhs33721]

Long answer: No. Forget it.

 

Short answer: No.

 

Also I rate this poorly thought out troll thread with a lowly 0,2/10. "Like Skyrim but with dissapointment." 

[Ash Wind]

Ain't going to happen. Not because of any story issue, those could be bypassed simply without any real affect on the story. Its not going to happen as long as ML has any say in the matter.

 

3 other lead designers made DAO what it was, Brent Knowles being the most prominent. ML was only lead designer on DAO for 6 months... the game was completed for PC and he oversaw the porting to the consoles.

 

The HOF is not his character. He was the lead from beginning to end on DA2, and we all saw how that turned out.

 

As limited as it was, he had no trouble bringing back Hawke for DAI... the excuse for the HOF was they didn't think they could do him/her justice... but of course Hawke was in it... and physically customizable too. Go figure.

 

Bullshit. Bullshit. Bullshit.

 

They had a game engine that allowed the PC to create a male/female Human, Elf, Dwarf... enough said. They could have easily allowed the PC to create the HOF... the only thing comes down to is the want to do that... they didn't and apparently much of this lameness was predicated on... *gasp* the VOICE, which is another...

 

Bullshit. Bullshit. Bullshit.

 

Most fans who wanted to see the HOF again would have accepted Pee Wee Herman's voice... they, or should I say, ML, just will not allow it to happen. If seeing the HOF had been the HIGHLIGHT of DAI, everything ML supposedly brings to the table (very little IMHO) would be for naught.

 

Its a simple matter that ML has nothing to gain and everything to lose by re-introducing the HOF. So we get Bullshit excuses, this, bullshit excuses that...

 

But hey, make Hawke look just like you want to!

 

Its not going to happen... not because its a story issue, but because its a lame*ass ML issue. Seriously, it would be cool if he could grow a pair. Or move on to another project.

[midnight tea]

Ain't going to happen. Not because of any story issue, those could be bypassed simply without any real affect on the story. Its not going to happen as long as ML has any say in the matter.

 

3 other lead designers made DAO what it was, Brent Knowles being the most prominent. ML was only lead designer on DAO for 6 months... the game was completed for PC and he oversaw the porting to the consoles.

 

The HOF is not his character. He was the lead from beginning to end on DA2, and we all saw how that turned out.

 

As limited as it was, he had no trouble bringing back Hawke for DAI... the excuse for the HOF was they didn't think they could do him/her justice... but of course Hawke was in it... and physically customizable too. Go figure.

 

Bullshit. Bullshit. Bullshit.

 

Right... aside from Hawke NEVER dying. Aside from ending pretty much always in the same spot in the narrative in the epilogue (Leli and Cas searching for Hawke who disappeared) - no matter what decision player makes. Aside from Varric being established as not-exactly-reliable narrator. And aside from him unleashing DAI's villain on the world.

 

Hon... actually pay attention to the story instead of calling BS.

 

 

They had a game engine that allowed the PC to create a male/female Human, Elf, Dwarf... enough said. They could have easily allowed the PC to create the HOF... the only thing comes down to is the want to do that... they didn't and apparently much of this lameness was predicated on... *gasp* the VOICE, which is another...

 

That... doesn't even make sense. Character creation was never an issue - we can recreate Hawke after all. Hawke has its place in DAI narrative though, as it was pointed out before - that, and DA2 had 3 distinct personality flavors, which isn't just a matter of voice, but of different writing as well.

 

 

Most fans who wanted to see the HOF again would have accepted Pee Wee Herman's voice... they, or should I say, ML, just will not allow it to happen. If seeing the HOF had been the HIGHLIGHT of DAI, everything ML supposedly brings to the table (very little IMHO) would be for naught.

 

Oh dear... such naivete. If so many lamented that "the DAI Hawke wasn't their Hawke" I can already imagine the laments over HoF, even if they've spent basically entire game and all their resources (and brought Your Ideal Dev Team) on actually bringing them back.

 

 

Its a simple matter that ML has nothing to gain and everything to lose by re-introducing the HOF. So we get Bullshit excuses, this, bullshit excuses that...

 

But hey, make Hawke look just like you want to!

 

Its not going to happen... not because its a story issue, but because its a lame*ass ML issue. Seriously, it would be cool if he could grow a pair. Or move on to another project.

 

Someone's here got a massive grudge...

[Battlebloodmage]

The warden has a character? By the next game, the Warden could be pretty old or even close to their calling already. Warden is just gonna doom in the end anyway or already dead, no point in revisiting that.

[NaclynE]

 

Why can't Bioware bring back the most awesome character of their franchise,i mean it was so awesome that the hero survived to the joining and killed an archdemon and he was a renowned hero,so why can't bioware allow me to play as the HoF again?

well ok my hero died to kill the archdemon but that's just a little thing we can resolve it with magic right?

 

 

 

 

What if he/she was killed off in DAO?

 

 

 

 

Exacto.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

The warden has a character? By the next game, the Warden could be pretty old or even close to their calling already. 

Not possible if Avernus did it for 200 hundred years the warden can do that as well,the calling is a non issue

 

Long answer: No. Forget it.

 

Short answer: No.

 

Also I rate this poorly thought out troll thread with a lowly 0,2/10. "Like Skyrim but with dissapointment." 

Lol that's not troll ,this is a request for the warden

Bioware listen to fans the more we wish the more possibility we have to see that the wish is fulfilled

 

Also, it is very difficult to set any know bad of significant plot around a potentially dead character. Leliana never came back; that was just a doppelgänger borne of magic. Do you want that?

Cole was a doppelganger too  but he was still super awesome,they can do that for the warden as well use a spirit if it is dead.

 

Solas would be a stranger to the Warden, but the same isn't true the other way around. Solas knows full well who the Warden is. He even saw what went down at Ostagar from multiple perspectives. It would be pretty stupid to suggest getting people he doesn't know, only to wrangle one of the most famous people in Ferelden.

But he only has a flawed perspective based on what memory he recovered into the fade,he know nothing of the warden while he knows everything of the Inquisitor especially those who romanced him since he watched them from the fade after Trespasser