he warden being alive in daa if s/he chose US was devs screw up that isn't canon and spirit theory doesn't make sense as the warden meets people that knew him/her and knew s/he died.
The cast of DAA is new there are no old companions aside from Oghren.It can work since spirits alter memories of others like Cole
False, Alistair/Anora , Oghren and Wynne they all made an appearance in daa.
And no it doesn't work once again because US warden is stated to be dead including by the warden LI and people that knew warden is dead don't react to him/her being alive, so once again it was nothing more than mistake on devs part that was fixed with keep.
So you want to build a whole game based on an import glitch. Got it.
Playing DAA as your Warden was not an import glitch, it was an intentional decision on the part of the developers.
Your Warden was not resurrected in-game. If you imported a DS Warden into Awakening, then you chose to un-do your earlier decision.
I always assumed that they allowed this as a courtesy to the players who would prefer to play the DAO expansion as the character they played the entire game with. A courtesy, nothing more. And I think this is a reasonable assumption.
That said, I don't know how the game handles it if you import a US/DAA play into DA2, since I've never done that. In DA2, the codex entry A Study of the Fifth Blight, Vol. Two has always been bugged and is only partly complete. According to the DAwiki, there are portions remarking on the possible death of the Warden, but since we don't see them in the game, we don't know how it's handled if the player imports from a US/DAA save where they played the original Warden.
If you import a DAA save into DA2 and Nathaniel Howe is alive, during the DA2, Act 3 quest Finding Nathaniel he will reference the new allies if the Architect was spared, but no mention is made of whether the Warden-Commander is the HoF, or not. Also, to my knowledge, Anders does not have any lines referencing that either. The only line I'm familiar with from Anders that references the HoF at all is if you import a mage Warden; during one argument he will say, "A mage saved us all from the Blight," but that's all, and there is no mention of whether they are alive or dead, or whether that person was also his Warden-Commander (as opposed to the Orlesian Warden).
Of course, the imports were totally borked anyway, which is why we're now using the DA Keep.
Playing DAA as your Warden was not an import glitch, it was an intentional decision on the part of the developers.
It wasn't glitch but simply devs screw up that didn't made sense and they fixed later with keep, same thing they did with broken romance mechanics that allowed you romance 2 people despite it didn't made sense and as well was fixed in keep. The warden that did US is stated to be dead including by their LI.
i see this post everywhere ...
for the 100 time , HOF is not coming back ....
not like hawk that have only 1 race and is voiced
HOF have to many possibility between race / sex / classe and he is not voiced .
so it will need a huge budget to creat all the reaction and senario to HOF in a future game
and bioware made it clear that he is not coming back .
so please stop requesting it
False, Alistair/Anora , Oghren and Wynne they all made an appearance in daa.
And no it doesn't work once again because US warden is stated to be dead including by the warden LI and people that knew warden is dead don't react to him/her being alive, so once again it was nothing more than mistake on devs part that was fixed with keep.
Wynne and Oghren may be dead so only one person in DAA know about the warden and is the monarch.
i see this post everywhere ...
for the 100 time , HOF is not coming back ....
not like hawk that have only 1 race and is voiced
HOF have to many possibility between race / sex / classe and he is not voiced .
so it will need a huge budget to creat all the reaction and senario to HOF in a future game
and bioware made it clear that he is not coming back .
so please stop requesting it
The Inquisitor is also a multi race protagonist so probably they will both not be used in DA4
Playing DAA as your Warden was not an import glitch, it was an intentional decision on the part of the developers.
They screwed things when they decided to put the warden on the grave once again in the Keep,they could have tried to resolve this the same way they did with Leliana.
Wynne and Oghren may be dead so only one person in DAA know about the warden and is the monarch.
Doesn't matter Ogrhen is always alive in daa even if you tried to kill him in dao , nor Wynne reacts to warden being alive if she is alive , none of those three do so no it still doesn't make sense.
They screwed things when they decided to put the warden on the grave once again in the Keep,they could have tried to resolve this the same way they did with Leliana.
Not rly, they screwd up to such point that the warden being alive wouldn't make any sense, not to mention that it wouldn't be even remotely worth doing that.
Doesn't matter Ogrhen is always alive in daa even if you tried to kill him in dao , nor Wynne reacts to warden being alive if she is alive , none of those three do so no it still doesn't make sense.
Not rly, they screwd up to such point that the warden being alive wouldn't make any sense, not to mention that it wouldn't be even remotely worth doing that.
Of course because he is a spirit too,even if he is killed he return and Wynne is a spirit too.
It is worth doing tha so that there will be no more the divergent path of the dead warden,a spirit for those who did US and the original for those who opted for the others 3 achievement
Of course because he is a spirit too,even if he is killed he return and Wynne is a spirit too.
It is worth doing tha so that there will be no more the divergent path of the dead warden,a spirit for those who did US and the original for those who opted for the others 3 achievement
<Facepalm> of course everyone is a spirit...
And no it isn't worth doing that , it would be gigantic waste of resources to create plot that doesn't make sense.
I would want the Warden back for about an hour of gaming.
15 minutes to cure himself of the Blight.
45 minutes to kill send Anora away in shackles and recognize his totally human son Kieran as the rightful heir to Ferelden, Amaranthine AND Highever (since his brother has no heir).
Done
Unless it was a story about how my particular Warden then launches his fleet into the Waking Sea in an invasion bid for the Free Marches... allies with the dwarves and Avvar and officially recognizes them as sovereign nations of the Frostbacks to keep out the Orlesians... absorbes mages into a state funded Circle (while exiling or killing any mages who refused)... allowing for a small contingency of Wardens to occupy Soldier's Peak on the grounds that they actively work with the dwarves to systematically clean up the Deep Roads under Ferelden (instead of the laughable way it's done now) - and then provided the Dalish territorial rights to a part of the Broceliande forest on the grounds that their young adults serve in the Ferelden military for no less than 4 years and tithe seventy percent of all yearly earnings of the Clan... or, I forbid the presence of the Dalish and wipe out any Clan that enters Ferelden's borders.
So... unless that story is the one they make a game for... no HoF please.
My Warden's retired to a villa on the Waking Sea.
Get someone else to save the world this time.
Playing DAA as your Warden was not an import glitch, it was an intentional decision on the part of the developers.
I always assumed that they allowed this as a courtesy to the players who would prefer to play the DAO expansion as the character they played the entire game with. A courtesy, nothing more. And I think this is a reasonable assumption.
That said, I don't know how the game handles it if you import a US/DAA play into DA2, since I've never done that. In DA2, the codex entry A Study of the Fifth Blight, Vol. Two has always been bugged and is only partly complete. According to the DAwiki, there are portions remarking on the possible death of the Warden, but since we don't see them in the game, we don't know how it's handled if the player imports from a US/DAA save where they played the original Warden.
If you import a DAA save into DA2 and Nathaniel Howe is alive, during the DA2, Act 3 quest Finding Nathaniel he will reference the new allies if the Architect was spared, but no mention is made of whether the Warden-Commander is the HoF, or not. Also, to my knowledge, Anders does not have any lines referencing that either. The only line I'm familiar with from Anders that references the HoF at all is if you import a mage Warden; during one argument he will say, "A mage saved us all from the Blight," but that's all, and there is no mention of whether they are alive or dead, or whether that person was also his Warden-Commander (as opposed to the Orlesian Warden).
Of course, the imports were totally borked anyway, which is why we're now using the DA Keep.
No, it wasn't, it was an import glitch if you did the US. I would spend the time needed to point you to relevant threads, if I thought it would do any good. It won't. The fact that you believe it was a courtesy extended to people who thought it would be great to save the world making the ultimate sacrifice demonstrates how much good it won't do. You see, I have all the achievements for endings. I've played them all, and the most satisfying ending to the game between all of them was the US. I get it, you don't understand that, but that doesn't mean that BW just handwaved it away in Awakening as a "courtesy". Your last line demonstrates exactly what the problem was, a borked import, but you want to handwave that away due to denial. What is it that you are in denial of? That the HoF is dead in some world states, and any hint of them showing up in future installments based on that world state is a glitch.
The reason that a lot of these dialogs don't refer specifically to a specific Warden is exactly because they can be dead, and they wanted to avoid another Awakening snafu with the import.
They screwed things when they decided to put the warden on the grave once again in the Keep,they could have tried to resolve this the same way they did with Leliana.
Yep, that nasty detail of burning their dead shouldn't stand in the way of a good case of denial.
Since the people who want the ultimate sacrifice HoF to return alive are so OK with other people's choices being ignored, how about Bioware just ignore the choice to do the ritual and say they are all dead? After all, these people said they are OK with decisions being wiped out. 
My Warden's retired to a villa on the Waking Sea.
Get someone else to save the world this time.
I always assumed that they allowed this as a courtesy to the players who would prefer to play the DAO expansion as the character they played the entire game with. A courtesy, nothing more. And I think this is a reasonable assumption.
It's a correct assumption it seems, though not one that DA devs seem to think was a good idea.
From PC Gamer interview with Mark Darrah (http://www.pcgamer.c...n-world/#page-2):
I would want the Warden back for about an hour of gaming.
15 minutes to cure himself of the Blight.
45 minutes to kill send Anora away in shackles and recognize his totally human son Kieran as the rightful heir to Ferelden, Amaranthine AND Highever (since his brother has no heir).
Done
And what about Gwaren?
I remember being disappointed in the way the DAA import was handled. I'm glad we have the keep now.
i liked it actually i just headcanon that the warden was a spirit like Cole!
Afterall the game was named Awakening!
Afterall the game was named Awakening!
It's called Awakening, because we deal with awakened darkspawn.
Sure, you could headcanon that, but don't codex entries from the next games list the Warden as dead?
So naive, Kaiser! Don't you know? Headcanon is more important and valid than canon! Screw what the developers envisioned! They only made the game, they never played it, the casuals.
So naive, Kaiser! Don't you know? Headcanon is more important and valid than canon! Screw what the developers envisioned! They only made the game, they never played it, the casuals.
Pffft, I'm sure it was the EA that ABSOLUTELY FORBADE them from ever featuring HoF in game again just to spite dedicated DA fans - it also completely took over the direction of their main storyline that totally featured HoF being resurrected and revealed as the Maker. They later came flying down from heavens on a golden griffin and turned all foes to ash just by staring at them!
*psst* Actually, if you listen really close the Inquisitor is whispering subliminal messages to you throughout the entire game "No more HoF, no more HoF, there was never a HoF, praise the Sat... um, praise your EA overlords!"
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