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[Donquijote and 59 others]

Sure, you could headcanon that, but don't codex entries from the next games list the Warden as dead?

The warden is dead(the original) but the doppelganger is fine it can be an envy demon or a spirit afterall they like to copy famous people.

 

So naive, Kaiser! Don't you know? Headcanon is more important and valid than canon! Screw what the developers envisioned! They only made the game, they never played it, the casuals.

what headcanon spirits are part of the world,if they copied Leliana they can copy the Warden and we resolve even the US achievement

[Andraste_Reborn]

I don't especially want to play my live Wardens again, let alone Envy Demons or lyrium spirits impersonating my dead ones.

[Toasted Llama]

The warden is dead(the original) but the doppelganger is fine it can be an envy demon or a spirit afterall they like to copy famous people.

 

what headcanon spirits are part of the world,if they copied Leliana they can copy the Warden and we resolve even the US achievement

 

How many times do people have to explain to you that Leliana was an exception? Because she was an exception. Bioware have stated they do not want to do anything like what they did to Leliana ever again.

 

Also, I doubt many people would be happy with the idea that an envy demon is taking the place of their HoF.

[AlanC9]

Rational argument with this one will not be a productive activity, I think. Might be fun, but not productive.

[KaiserShep]

So naive, Kaiser! Don't you know? Headcanon is more important and valid than canon! Screw what the developers envisioned! They only made the game, they never played it, the casuals.

They'll never understand immersion. They build the car and never drive. They bake the cake and never eat!

[nightscrawl]

No, it wasn't, it was an import glitch if you did the US.  I would spend the time needed to point you to relevant threads, if I thought it would do any good.  It won't.  The fact that you  believe it was a courtesy extended to people who thought it would be great to save the world making the ultimate sacrifice demonstrates how much good it won't do.  You see, I have all the achievements for endings.  I've played them all, and the most satisfying ending to the game between all of them was the US.  I get it, you don't understand that, but that doesn't mean that BW just handwaved it away in Awakening as a "courtesy".  Your last line demonstrates exactly what the problem was, a borked import, but you want to handwave that away due to denial.  What is it that you are in denial of?  That the HoF is dead in some world states, and any hint of them showing up in future installments based on that world state is a glitch.
 
The reason that a lot of these dialogs don't refer specifically to a specific Warden is exactly because they can be dead, and they wanted to avoid another Awakening snafu with the import.

 
In fact it would. I always appreciate source quotes. No reason to be insulting.
 
On the first page of this thread I posted how I didn't want the HoF back. I'm not in denial about anything. You decided to take my post totally personally, when it was mostly written in a general sense. Perhaps I made the mistake in quoting you in the first place. Won't happen again.
 
And as midnight tea helpfully pointed out for me, it's not an incorrect assumption. 
 

It's a correct assumption it seems, though not one that DA devs seem to think was a good idea.
 
From PC Gamer interview with Mark Darrah (http://www.pcgamer.c...n-world/#page-2):
 
PC Gamer: There are choices in the past. You mentioned one earlier, the state of the warden, who can be dead, and obviously something that has come up with fans quite a bit, in Awakening—the zombie warden scenario. Is that something you've addressed in Inquisition?
 
Mark Darrah: Yes. There's a couple, the zombie warden was just a stupid decision on our part I'd say. We should have just not let you. We decided, if you want to play awakening we should let you use your warden. Well what if they're dead? We'll let you bring them back to life. We should just not have that.

[Vegeta 77]

[AlanC9]

Of course, at the time nobody cared. If a player wanted to make his world-state incoherent, it was his business. It's not like players who imported a US Warden to DAA were stupid enough to think that doing this was actually resurrecting them.

Well, that was the theory.

[nightscrawl]

Of course, at the time nobody cared. If a player wanted to make his world-state incoherent, it was his business. It's not like players who imported a US Warden to DAA were stupid enough to think that doing this was actually resurrecting them.

Well, that was the theory.

 

The succeeding games aside, I think the main problem with it is that you can't import your world state into DAA (with a US warden) AND play as the Orlesian. If you want DAA to recognize the ruler of Ferelden or other things, just to have the world be as you made it, you have to play as your zombie warden. I'm pretty sure this is the case at any rate, I've never gotten a definitive answer about this. But if you want to have a US warden and consequently play as the Orlesian, the game uses a default world state.

 

And to make matters worse, the DA Keep doesn't have anything about the Orlesian Warden, yet the default world state (with a dead US HoF) shows the events of DAA as complete -- Architect dead, Nathaniel alive, Keep protected, Oghren and Felsi NOT together.

[AlanC9]

Yeah, that's what we were complaining about back then. It's never been clear exactly who the Orlesian Warden was designed for in the first place. Nobody was going to start the series with DAA, and to keep your world-state you have to keep your Warden.

[nightscrawl]

^ Eh, I can see someone wanting to play DAA just to experience (or refresh) some of the story aspects, especially if you have just played DA2 and want to meet Anders/Justice or something. The same way that DA2 offers three default world states to choose from so you can just jump into the game. I've played DAO several times, but done a full run of DAA only twice. It's a shorter, more compact game and the Orlesian starts off at level 18. I can see someone wanting to just play DAA, yes.

[pdusen]

Disgusted noise.

[AlanC9]

^ Eh, I can see someone wanting to play DAA just to experience (or refresh) some of the story aspects, especially if you have just played DA2 and want to meet Anders/Justice or something. The same way that DA2 offers three default world states to choose from so you can just jump into the game. I've played DAO several times, but done a full run of DAA only twice. It's a shorter, more compact game and the Orlesian starts off at level 18. I can see someone wanting to just play DAA, yes.

Why not just load up an existing Warden? Anyway, I meant start as in, DAA is your first game in the series. Not even possible unless you bought DAO but never played it or started with the UE, of course.

My point was that there's no reason to make it an Orlesian Warden, since the people who would need an Orlesian Warden can't use the Orlesian Warden..

[Addictress]

I won't be happy until I can viscerally have teh sex with Solas as Lavellan returning in DA5 on the Oculist Rift platform.

[correctamundo]

You want the best and you've got it.

 

The hofest Hof in the world.

 

HOF!

 

[Kieran G.]

Personally I like the new protagonist every game and EU (Ignoring Stolen throne and The Calling) I feel like its a better way to see the world, and also so you can see it through different perspectives rather than a god like Grey Warden, who it seems to also now have a chance of being a Warden without the Calling.

 

Just my opinion.

[Abyss108]

Why not just load up an existing Warden? Anyway, I meant start as in, DAA is your first game in the series. Not even possible unless you bought DAO but never played it or started with the UE, of course.

My point was that there's no reason to make it an Orlesian Warden, since the people who would need an Orlesian Warden can't use the Orlesian Warden..

 

Cloud saves weren't a thing back then, so if you bought both games at release, it's quite likely you could have changed computer/lost your original save files but not want to replay the entire game just to pick up an expansion.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

 

 

Also, I doubt many people would be happy with the idea that an envy demon is taking the place of their HoF.

I think it would be awesome a demon who do good deeds and return to be a spirit, and by the way that is only for the US warden the others do not have any problem.

 

Personally I like the new protagonist every game and EU (Ignoring Stolen throne and The Calling) I feel like its a better way to see the world

 

Just my opinion.

The protagonist change but the companion around are always the same(well ok there is also someone new)

[Toasted Llama]

I think it would be awesome a demon who do good deeds and return to be a spirit, and by the way that is only for the US warden the others do not have any problem.

 

Nice that you think that, but there's a couple of thousand of other players who had their HoF do the US, who might not like it that way.

[Secret Rare]

I dislike that Bioware put a death sentence for the main protagonist when the mission was not yet over.

I have no problem with a protagonist death but let it be when the mission is over 

( after DAA)

[AlanC9]

I dislike that Bioware put a death sentence for the main protagonist when the mission was not yet over.
I have no problem with a protagonist death but let it be when the mission is over 
( after DAA)

What are you talking about?

[AlanC9]

Cloud saves weren't a thing back then, so if you bought both games at release, it's quite likely you could have changed computer/lost your original save files but not want to replay the entire game just to pick up an expansion.

Good point. But I still don't see why a fresh start character in DAA couldn't have been a standard Warden with a default history. That would have been cheaper since anything in the default history would already have been handled in dialogue for an imported Warden who made those choices.

[nightscrawl]

What are you talking about?

I'm going to assume that the person is miffed that Bioware allowed the HoF to die in DAO if they were planning on DAA all along. Of course, we don't know that to be the case. The whole DAA thing is just silly, really. I'm sure there are many players who felt their Warden's job was done and just slunk off after saving the world.
 
Head Warden in Weisshaupt: New job for you, Warden-Commander.
Hero of Ferelden: I'm retiring, so p*ss off.
HW: Wardens commit to a life of service.
HoF: I killed an Archdemon and saved the f-ing world. Make me.
HW: Erm...
HoF: That's what I thought.
 
 
I think they should have had a living Warden import, a dead/US Warden import where you play as the Orlesian, or a default state where you play as the Orlesian, and that's it. Ideally, they should also have a living Warden import where you have the option of instead of playing as the Orlesian if you wanted for whatever RP reason, but I'm not sure if that would have been feasible with that import system.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

 -I think they should have had a living Warden import,

-a dead/US Warden import where you play as the Orlesian,  or a default state where you play as the Orlesian, and that's it.

-Ideally, they should also have a living Warden import where you have the option of instead of playing as the Orlesian if you wanted for whatever RP reason, but I'm not sure if that would have been feasible with that import system.

1 ok

2.Better an envy demon acolyte of the baroness who mimed the warden that's an amusing way to bring the warden back

3 It can work (is what i did with the console)some of my wardens (dwarf commoner) used Loghain for the archdemon and didn't wanted to do anything more for ferelden let alone be considered an hero for that nation

[Kieran G.]

The protagonist change but the companion around are always the same(well ok there is also someone new)

1 companion is carried over from each game. Ogren, Anders, Varric. and then we have some NPC who become companions, Merril, Isabella and Cassandra. 

and then fan favorites make appearances as NPC to tell the player what they've been up to.

 

Again I just said as a storyline, i think the new Protagonist each game works better than if the HoF was a returning protagonist.

Its a continent of social, political and imperialist changes the HoF can't be the only hero of the Dragon Age.