Necessary to finish what?
The OGB plotline which is not mandatory?If the dark ritual wa snot performed and the well of sorrow was used by the Inquisition FLemeth has no reason or necessity to want to meet Morrigan.
Focus on what im saying because i have repeat same thing for tenth time. I will keep it simple and short.
Answer is.
Conflict between her and flemeth.
robertthebard, I fully agree we chose our endings but,when some say the HoF is a ghost that's not a universal truth and is only true in their games where their warden dies.
As I stated many times beyond counting I won't sacrifice my warden because dying for nothing means shite. If there wasn't a way out then I will have taps sounded over his/her tomb at Weisshaupt..
Yes it supposed because she was necessary to finish/carry conflict devs started in first game and writers set on future product.
No , and neither Leliana and Cullen were in those things, Morrigan just played role in Inquistion when it comes to Corypheus but as Leliana and Cullen her role as suspect , arcane adviser and person that drank from the well could have been replaced by another person.
It is if character is brought only to appease character fans, Cullen wouldn't show in da 2 nor in dai if he wasn't popular.If it was done once with Cullen it would be fine but guy jumps around the world to just meet new protagonists and be in the game.
Making no sense isn't requirement for fan-service, because coming with reason why character would show up is ridiculously easy in fiction (see leliana death). There was plenty of reasons to not involve same characters over and over again given protagonist and location changes in every game and yet those characters jump around the world just to meet new protagonist and be in the game , plus characters like Leliana could have been killed so there is another reason to not involve them in the game.
There are reasons for and against reusing old characters. The reasons for would be showing how these characters have developed over the years, like we did with Morrigan and Flemeth.
The conflict between Morrigan and Flemeth didn't need to be resolved any more than the conflict between Cullen and mages, but they both progressed.
It makes sense Leiliana turns up because of her relation to the divine, and it makes sense the wardens turn up because of the false calling, and it makes sense Cullen turned up because all the Templars were gathering for the conclave. Why shouldn't an old character turn up when it makes perfect sense for them to be there? I don't even like any of these characters, I'd have much more fun with someone new that I might actually care about, but I'm not going to say Bioware should remove characters even though it makes sense for them to appear.
Really there should be more wardens showing up. The absence of the Awakening crew bugs me.
Every single Warden in Awakening could be dead or not recruited.
There are reasons for and against reusing old characters. The reasons for would be showing how these characters have developed over the years, like we did with Morrigan and Flemeth.
The conflict between Morrigan and Flemeth didn't need to be resolved any more than the conflict between Cullen and mages, but they both progressed.
It makes sense Leiliana turns up because of her relation to the divine, and it makes sense the wardens turn up because of the false calling, and it makes sense Cullen turned up because all the Templars were gathering for the conclave. Why shouldn't an old character turn up when it makes perfect sense for them to be there? I don't even like any of these characters, I'd have much more fun with someone new that I might actually care about, but I'm not going to say Bioware should remove characters even though it makes sense for them to appear.
That are poor reasons or should i say poor excuse to overuse characters. If you want use old character that is fine if done properly and not absued. Morrigan and Flemeth are only few characters in the series that had reason to be involved in future product Leliana and Cullen weren't one of them.
There was no conflict between Cullen and mages , Cullen only had view that mages need to be supervised unless you want to tell me that Cullen views were wrong and he should change it, by your logic every templar in dragon age series should return to change their views on pro-mage.
Leliana being connected to divine wasn't a thing until she was resurrected and brought back for no reason other than being writers pet , pretty sure that Dorothea was made divine just to bring Leliana back. It doesn't make perfect sense it makes very little sense , Leliana had no further role in dragon age ,they just pointlessly brought her back despite it didn't even made sense as she could be dead.
Every single Warden in Awakening could be dead or not recruited.
That are poor reasons or should i say poor excuse to overuse characters. If you want use old character that is fine if done properly and not absued. Morrigan and Flemeth are only few characters in the series that had reason to be involved in future product Leliana and Cullen weren't one of them.
There was no conflict between Cullen and mages , Cullen only had view that mages need to be supervised unless you want to tell me that Cullen views were wrong and he should change it, by your logic every templar in dragon age series should return to change their views on pro-mage.
Leliana being connected to divine wasn't a thing until she was resurrected and brought back for no reason other than being writers pet , pretty sure that Dorothea was made divine just to bring Leliana back. It doesn't make perfect sense it makes very little sense , Leliana had no further role in dragon age ,they just pointlessly brought her back despite it didn't even made sense as she could be dead.
This just sounds like favouritism to me. The fact that Morrigan returned had absolutely no bearing on the plot, it could have been omitted and nothing would have changed. Same way all the other characters could have been.
Only thing I agree with is that Leiliana should have stayed dead, but that is a DA2 issue, it's too late to go back on that now. And if Leiliana is a writors pet (she is), then so is Morrigan. You were given the option to kill her, but the writors prevented it with a very dumb reason so they could bring her back.
That are poor reasons or should i say poor excuse to overuse characters. If you want use old character that is fine if done properly and not absued. Morrigan and Flemeth are only few characters in the series that had reason to be involved in future product Leliana and Cullen weren't one of them.
I find it hard to argue that Cullen and Leliana are NOT done properly. They fall exactly within the parameters of recurring characters used well, with their own conflicts, arcs and things to add to the plot. The fact that you don't want tos ee their faces anymore doesn't mean that they're 'overused' in any capacity.
There was no conflict between Cullen and mages , Cullen only had view that mages need to be supervised unless you want to tell me that Cullen views were wrong and he should change it, by your logic every templar in dragon age series should return to change their views on pro-mage.
Thing is, hardly any Templar has the chops to be a Commander of the Inquisition - Cullen was one of the very few that has resisted possession when Fereldan Circle fell and was under direct command of Meredith. He's seen the worst of it and endured. Are you seriously going to sit and say that "every other templar" has his experience? Cassandra picked him specifically because of his aptitude as a commander and mental resistance.
He serves as a way for us to sympathize with the Templars - to show that for all their faults their grievances wit the Chantry are legitimate (being on lyrium leash), or where does a lot of their prejudices from mages (most of them were conditioned since childhood to believe in Chantry rhetoric), and at the same time Cullen was there at times when the mages sometimes took extreme measures (abominations running amok in the Circle, Anders blowing up the Chantry) which is why he can be legitimately wary of them and provide Inquisition with perspective and advice that counter-balance more pro-mage stance of Leliana and delicate hand of Josephine.
Leliana being connected to divine wasn't a thing until she was resurrected and brought back for no reason other than being writers pet , pretty sure that Dorothea was made divine just to bring Leliana back. It doesn't make perfect sense it makes very little sense , Leliana had no further role in dragon age ,they just pointlessly brought her back despite it didn't even made sense as she could be dead.
If they brought her back then they indeed have a plan for her and it does indeed make sense: they wouldn't be telling us - through epilogue slides in Trespasser we get when she's killed in DAO - that there's a greater purpose to her life. Lyriumghost!Leliana, after all, doesn't fly away to parts unknown if she becomes Divine.
That tells us that there's a force there at work that we don't yet know and who knows (and which we may presume has been entangled with Leliana since DAO) - perhaps the way Leliana was bought to life is also the key of how Inquisitor and Justinia (or Justinia's ghost) survived the explosion at the Conclave. They are obviously setting up something.
This just sounds like favouritism to me. The fact that Morrigan returned had absolutely no bearing on the plot, it could have been omitted and nothing would have changed. Same way all the other characters could have been.
Only thing I agree with is that Leiliana should have stayed dead, but that is a DA2 issue, it's too late to go back on that now. And if Leiliana is a writors pet (she is), then so is Morrigan. You were given the option to kill her, but the writors prevented it with a very dumb reason so they could bring her back.
It isn't favoritism Flemeth and Morrigan from get go had established future role and their conflict was announced in first game, as well Flemeth scheming something, optionally Morrigan had a child with old god soul. Devs just left too much unexplained about this and a too many things were going on about them to ignore them.
Morrigan isn't writers pet ,Morrigan made only appearance in dao, witch hunt and DAI what is mild when it comes to returning characters in dai especially when compared to Alistair or Leliana.
That said i will be happy to not see Morrigan , Leliana , Cullen, Flemeth and Alistair ever again they were overused.
I find it hard to argue that Cullen and Leliana are NOT done properly. They fall exactly within the parameters of recurring characters used well, with their own conflicts, arcs and things to add to the plot. The fact that you don't want tos ee their faces anymore doesn't mean that they're 'overused' in any capacity.
LoL, Leliana was brought back for no reason even if dead she was resurrected , neither Cullen had reason to appear in further products not to mention they spam with them in every single game , pretty Leliana and Cullen jump all over the world just to meet new protagonist what is just ridiculous and unrealistic.
Thing is, hardly any Templar has the chops to be a Commander of the Inquisition - Cullen was one of the very few that has resisted possession when Fereldan Circle fell and was under direct command of Meredith. He's seen the worst of it and endured. Are you seriously going to sit and say that "every other templar" has his experience? Cassandra picked him specifically because of his aptitude as a commander and mental resistance.
He serves as a way for us to sympathize with the Templars - to show that for all their faults their grievances wit the Chantry are legitimate (being on lyrium leash), or where does a lot of their prejudices from mages (most of them were conditioned since childhood to believe in Chantry rhetoric), and at the same Cullen was there at times when the mages sometimes took extreme measures (abominations running amok in the Circle, Anders blowing up the Chantry) which is why he can be legitimately wary of them and provide Inquisition with perspective and advice that counter-balance more pro-mage stance of Leliana and delicate hand of Josephine.
LoL x2, who said that commander of the Inquistion had to be Templar being Inquistion commander has nothing to do with being templar., even then Cullen isn't only experienced templar either so even despite fact of being templar is irrelevant there are thousands of others templars and i doubt that Cullen was best commander Inquistion could have got among templars or just people especially considering how "well" Cullen did his job in dao and da 2.
Aside from fact that mage-templar issue is tiny percentage of the game and to sympathize with templars i don't need Cullen just pick any templar just poor excuse to put him into role of Commander.
If they brought her back then they indeed have a plan for her and it does indeed make sense: they wouldn't be telling us - through epilogue slides in Trespasser we get when she's killed in DAO - that there's a greater purpose to her life. Lyriumghost!Leliana, after all, doesn't fly away to parts unknown if she becomes Divine.
That tells us that there's a force there at work that we don't yet know and who knows (and which we may presume has been entangled with Leliana since DAO) - perhaps the way Leliana was bought to life is also the key of how Inquisitor and Justinia (or Justinia's ghost) survived the explosion at the Conclave. They are obviously setting up something.
They didn't had any plans with her otherwise they wouldn't have allowed you to kill her , spirit thing was just desperate save throw from their ass pull especially that it doesn't even match other cases of spirit/demonic impersonation to that point.
Which Eluvian are you talking about the one in WH in the dragon bones lands?
It remain there in the dragon bones lands it is not in DAI
This you who did not understand,the roles of Cullen and Leliana were necessary that you wanted to replace them with red and blue does not change the fact that you always needed someone to fill their role on the other hand with or without Morrigan nothing change the Inquisitor has no problem in using the well of sorrow,summon Flemeth use the dragon and kill Corypheus.
Did you play DA I? There's only one Eluvian connected to Morrigan in the main game. She brings it with her after WE/WH, and shows it to you. It's hard to miss, being it's plot-centric nature, so the fact that you're asking about it here sort of calls into question whether you've even played.
robertthebard, I fully agree we chose our endings but,when some say the HoF is a ghost that's not a universal truth and is only true in their games where their warden dies.
As I stated many times beyond counting I won't sacrifice my warden because dying for nothing means shite. If there wasn't a way out then I will have taps sounded over his/her tomb at Weisshaupt..
That's great, nobody's asking you to. We're asking you to leave ours alone, just as you want us to leave yours alone. See how that works? Bringing the HoF back as a protagonist in another game, or a DLC completely invalidates our choice. You don't care, but I do. I don't care that you can't do the US. I did. I do, however, care that people want to throw me under the bus so they can get what they want. The fact is, the HoF can be dead, it was written into the game, and, because of this, they cannot play a pivotal role in future games or DLC w/out invalidating everyone that chose the US ending.
robertthebard, I fully agree we chose our endings but,when some say the HoF is a ghost that's not a universal truth and is only true in their games where their warden dies.
As I stated many times beyond counting I won't sacrifice my warden because dying for nothing means shite.
Now,now what is this depression?
US ending is awesome,who is dead a 3D model 
?It is fine as soon as i import it in DAA
Did you play DA I? There's only one Eluvian connected to Morrigan in the main game. She brings it with her after WE/WH, and shows it to you. It's hard to miss, being it's plot-centric nature, so the fact that you're asking about it here sort of calls into question whether you've even played.
Yes and that Eluvian is not the same of WH is a new one from the last court,the one of WH remain there in the dragon bones lands.
Are you trying to imply that because she had that mirror she was absolutly plot critical?
Despite the fact that there were plenty of those mirrors in the game?
Briala had access to all the Eluvians network and Solas knew how to manipulate them as well ,this is something that hardly make her plot critical.
It isn't favoritism Flemeth and Morrigan from get go had established future role and their conflict was announced in first game, as well Flemeth scheming something, optionally Morrigan had a child with old god soul. Devs just left too much unexplained about this and a too many things were going on about them to ignore them.
Morrigan isn't writers pet ,Morrigan made only appearance in dao, witch hunt and DAI what is mild when it comes to returning characters in dai especially when compared to Alistair or Leliana.
Of course this is favouritism and bias
1) Is their personal conflict necessary for the plot of DAI in which the protagonist goal is to close the breach and defeat Corypheus?
Answer No
So she isn't more necessary that Cullen and Leliana which are because of what they are called to do and in their roles far more involved than her in the main plot.
2) Is Morrigan necessary for Flemeth plans and plot?
Since the OGB is not mandatory and also the well of sorrow can be used by the quiz the answer is no.
3) Again the archdemon soul is not mandatory , without it DAI can be played the same, this does not make Morrigan plot critical.
4) She is not a writer pet really?
Then tell me what is the definition of writer pet
She is in two games out of a total of three in this franchise, plus a whole Dlc that revolve around her and she is even the final narrator for DAI.
She survived twice because of plot armor, one against the warden and the other against the Red lyrium dragon.
So unless you define writers pets solely based on the definition of what character you dislike or not i'm afraid that you cannot pretend to be serious and neutral in those statements.
robertthebard,Here's the thing with a DLC..If you don't want it you don't need to download it. I'm yet to download "The Darkspawn Chronicles" but,I would happily download a DLC that follows the HoF and Leliana as they travel the world.
Now,now what is this depression?
US ending is awesome,who is dead a 3D model
The romance content in the Darkspawn Chronicles is pretty wild. Never thought a Hurlock Alpha and a Shriek could have so much chemistry.
The romance content in the Darkspawn Chronicles is pretty wild. Never thought a Hurlock Alpha and a Shriek could have so much chemistry.
The Blight freed them from the cultural taboos and social prejudices that would have made their love forbidden when they were but a human and an elf.
robertthebard,Here's the thing with a DLC..If you don't want it you don't need to download it. I'm yet to download "The Darkspawn Chronicles" but,I would happily download a DLC that follows the HoF and Leliana as they travel the world.
Here's the thing, they've already stated that said DLC isn't coming, and they've been saying it for years, literally. It's why they don't even reply to these any more, they got tired of wasting their time explaining it, or so I'd imagine, after thread #7,685,223.
However, here's where your proposed DLC would affect me, they spent the time developing that, instead of the next installment DA. All for something that you could do yourself. As I said, Origins came with a toolset, although it does have a rather steep learning curve, it's there. You can create all the content you want for your Warden, and take absolutely 0 time away from DA development.
And dead again as soon as you import that world-state to DAI, right?
It makes no difference because i didn't see the living warden as well since DA2
The US warden it is an envy demon now.
Dual protagonist for DA4 quiz and the warden and everyone is happy
Of course this is favouritism and bias
1) Is their personal conflict necessary for the plot of DAI in which the protagonist goal is to close the breach and defeat Corypheus?
Answer No
So she isn't more necessary that Cullen and Leliana which are because of what they are called to do and in their roles far more involved than her in the main plot.
2) Is Morrigan necessary for Flemeth plans and plot?
Since the OGB is not mandatory and also the well of sorrow can be used by the quiz the answer is no.
3) Again the archdemon soul is not mandatory , without it DAI can be played the same, this does not make Morrigan plot critical.
4) She is not a writer pet really?
Then tell me what is the definition of writer pet
She is in two games out of a total of three in this franchise, plus a whole Dlc that revolve around her and she is even the final narrator for DAI.
She survived twice because of plot armor, one against the warden and the other against the Red lyrium dragon.
So unless you define writers pets solely based on the definition of what character you dislike or not i'm afraid that you cannot pretend to be serious and neutral in those statement.
You speak about something you have no idea about again.
1. That doesn't matter Flemath is essential in defeating Corypheus and Morrigan is in conflict with Flemeth , Conflict was announced since first game, Inquistion involves that conflict.Morrigan is invested in main plot as well , but as Leliana and Cullen once again (of course i have to repeat myself) she isn't necessary person in main plot was as replaceable , but her role in grander scheme in series concering Flemeth was established since first game.
2.She is important part of Flemeth schemes , she is flemeth daughter and had was involved with conflict with Flemeth , plus optionally she was mother of child with old god soul that was reason Flemeth send her with the warden.
3. Facepalm , you should learn to read because i specifically said "optionally"
4.Writers pet refers to writers favorite that they push whenever they can and show favoritism , you failing here hard.
Morrigan was only in 2 games and has dlc that focuses on searching her , While Leliana was in 3 games , has own dlc focused on her and appeared in 3 dlc's was in 2 books and now she shows in comics.So sorry but compared to characters like Leliana or Alistair , Morrigan has mild amount of apparences despite being important to the series in grander scheme, even Cullen takes more spot when it comes to showing up in different products.
You speak about something you have no idea about again.
1. That doesn't matter Flemath is essential in defeating Corypheus
2.She is important part of Flemeth schemes , she is flemeth daughter and had was involved with conflict with Flemeth , plus optionally she was mother of child with old god soul that was reason Flemeth send her with the warden.
3. Facepalm , you should learn to read because i specifically said "optionally"
4.Writers pet refers to writers favorite that they push whenever they can and show favoritism , you failing here hard.
Morrigan was only in 2 games and has dlc that focuses on searching her , While Leliana was in 3 games , has own dlc focused on her and appeared in 3 dlc's was in 2 books and now she shows in comics.So sorry but compared to characters like Leliana or Alistair , Morrigan has mild amount of apparences despite being important to the series in grander scheme, even Cullen takes more spot when it comes to showing up in different products.
It makes no difference because i didn't see the living warden as well since DA2
The US warden it is an envy demon now.
Dual protagonist for DA4 quiz and the warden and everyone is happy
1.That's it FLemeth is necessary in the main plot of DAI Morrigan isn't.Their conflict have nothing to do with the Inqusitor and Corypheus2.Optionality does not equate in being necessary,FLemeth schemes continue even without the archdemon soul so stop to even mention the archdemon soul.3.and you should learn to stop to bring up conditional events to try to paint Morrigan as important,don't use the issue of the archdemon soul to justify her plot relevance anymore sine you mentioned it 10 times by now,don't even mention the issue from now on.4.This you who pretend to see what you want to see as writer's pet and make favouritismMorrigan was in 2 games out of a total o three and one Dlc.Leliana screen time in DAII is absolutly meaningless she is there for 2 minutes in screen and only for those who have the Exiled prince DLc.She is in some book and?Why i shuld compare games with books now,Morrigan is in the Volume of Thedas as well so why are you using books now?
1.Once again learn to read what im saying, Flemeth has role in Inquistion main story , Morrigan is deeply connected to the Flemeth so once again Morrigan is necessary element to solve/carry their conflict that was established since first game.
2.As above reading comprehension , OGB was only part of point nr 2 and once again i used word optionally toward it , conflict isn't optional OGB is and only fuels conflict.
3.As above.
4.No you are here biased one , i posted clear evidence that shows Morrigan has much less appearances in series than Leliana and can do the same for Alistair , so now you repating facts i have refuted.
Morrigan
-Morrigan is companion in dao
-Morrigan has dlc where she shows up in the end of dlc
-Morrigan shows up later in the game in Inquistion.
Leliana
-Leliana is companion in dao
-Leliana has own dlc where she is protagonist and has all screen time
-Leliana shows up in da 2 and Exiled prince
-Leliana shows up in MoTA.
-Leliana shows up in Asunder
-Leliana shows up in Masked Empire
-Leliana shows up in Dai from the beginning
-Leliana has role in Trespasser
-Leliana shows up in Magekiller
So sorry if you can't tell difference between numbers in those statistics i don't think i can help you.
Your attempt separate books from da products is pointless because they are still part of franchise and frame in-universe canon story and events.
Wot is irrelevant because WoT is guide book describing lore and characters for player , plus it involves both Morrigan and Leliana.
I think that bringing the Hero of Ferelden back is a simple matter. If they died in DA:O they simply don't show up, just like Kieran, Alistair, Logain, etc. The Orlesian Warden can cover whatever role they would have had. If they lived I see absolutely no reason that they shouldn't come back. That some people 'won't like it' is not very compelling. Bioware made the excuse of tech being the barrier to bringing back the Warden and doing them justice. Will that still be the case in another 3-4 years? I think not.
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