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[robertthebard]

I think that bringing the Hero of Ferelden back is a simple matter. If they died in DA:O they simply don't show up, just like Kieran, Alistair, Logain, etc. The Orlesian Warden can cover whatever role they would have had. If they lived I see absolutely no reason that they shouldn't come back. That some people 'won't like it' is not very compelling. Bioware made the excuse of tech being the barrier to bringing back the Warden and doing them justice. Will that still be the case in another 3-4 years? I think not.

Hey, I've seen this argument before, and I'll lay out the same response to it here I did there:  If the Warden can be so easily replaced, then make a new protagonist.

[Kakistos_]

Hey, I've seen this argument before, and I'll lay out the same response to it here I did there:  If the Warden can be so easily replaced, then make a new protagonist.

I am not suggesting that the Warden return as a protagonist, I too would prefer a clean slate though I would have little issue with returning to the Warden , I am of the opinion that there is no reason that the Warden or their Orlesian successor cannot have a part to play in the story of upcoming games.

[midnight tea]

I think that bringing the Hero of Ferelden back is a simple matter. If they died in DA:O they simply don't show up, just like Kieran, Alistair, Logain, etc. The Orlesian Warden can cover whatever role they would have had. If they lived I see absolutely no reason that they shouldn't come back. That some people 'won't like it' is not very compelling. Bioware made the excuse of tech being the barrier to bringing back the Warden and doing them justice. Will that still be the case in another 3-4 years? I think not.

 

Kieran, Alistair and Loghain are well-defined characters with one look, one backstory (or minimally diverging one) and one voice. The Warden on the other hand can have different origin, different gender and entirely different character and end state.

 

So this isn't just a matter of "they create a character and they appear or not" - they'd have to create dozens, if not more, versions of HoF and then just lock them away if nobody keeps the Warden alive. It's a complete waste of money.

[Kakistos_]

Kieran, Alistair and Loghain are well-defined characters with one look, one backstory (or minimally diverging one) and one voice. The Warden on the other hand can have different origin, different gender and entirely different character and end state.

 

So this isn't just a matter of "they create a character and they appear or not" - they'd have to create dozens, if not more, versions of HoF and then just lock them away if nobody keeps the Warden alive. It's a complete waste of money.

None of this prevented a Hawke cameo. Different World States have affected dialog and characters since DAII and balancing the Warden's various states would not be a new challenge. And it is not a waste. The Warden is a very popular character that many would like to see return and if living is important to several story lines yet to be resolved. The Orlesian successor would also require a bit of balancing.

[TheKomandorShepard]

None of this prevented a Hawke cameo. Different World States have affected dialog and characters since DAII and balancing the Warden's various states would not be a new challenge. And it is not a waste. The Warden is a very popular character that many would like to see return and if living is important to several story lines yet to be resolved. The Orlesian successor would also require a bit of balancing.

Except Hawke was a lot less customizable than the warden 1 race, 1 origin , 3 possible personalities and traits that player couldn't have changed. Then they couldn't even do justice to Hawke. While Warden personality is entirely is up to player and have no pre-set personality traits , 3 races , 7 origins plus different possible fates.

[midnight tea]

None of this prevented a Hawke cameo. Different World States have affected dialog and characters since DAII and balancing the Warden's various states would not be a new challenge. And it is not a waste. The Warden is a very popular character that many would like to see return and if living is important to several story lines yet to be resolved. The Orlesian successor would also require a bit of balancing.

 

Hawke was only human, had one origin story and had 3 set personalities, not a plethora of less defined personalities Warden could have. Hawke also never had so many divergent endings that impact the world differently. I'd also like to point out that quite a few people were unhappy with how Hawke was portrayed.

 

Also - not saying that HoF was a bad character or anything, I like them in the game myself, but if HoF was indeed as popular character as you make it to be, BW would not be so adamant that they're not coming back anymore. "Very popular" in a relatively small circle doesn't yet guarantee that the effort put into recreating them is worth it on a global scale. In fact, at this point I'm petty sure most people identify DA with the character of Inquisitor, rather than HoF. It's been 6 years after all.

 

Another thing: if living is indeed important for several storylines to be resolved, how they can die even prior to major DAO expansion in the first place? If they can very definitely die at the end of the game, continuing with those storylines without HoF either:
-shouldn't be a problem,

-is considered to be resolved,

-isn't intended to be resolved,

-or isn't intended to be resolved in the game.

[Kakistos_]

Hawke was only human, had one origin story and had 3 set personalities, not a plethora of less defined personalities Warden could have. Hawke also never had so many divergent endings that impact the world differently. I'd also like to point out that quite a few people were unhappy with how Hawke was portrayed.

 

Also - not saying that HoF was a bad character or anything, I like them in the game myself, but if HoF was indeed as popular character as you make it to be, BW would not be so adamant that they're not coming back anymore. "Very popular" in a relatively small circle doesn't yet guarantee that the effort put into recreating them is worth it on a global scale. In fact, at this point I'm petty sure most people identify DA with the character of Inquisitor, rather than HoF. It's been 6 years after all.

 

Another thing: if living is indeed important for several storylines to be resolved, how they can die even prior to major DAO expansion in the first place? If they can very definitely die at the end of the game, continuing with those storylines without HoF either:
-shouldn't be a problem,

-is considered to be resolved,

-isn't intended to be resolved,

-or isn't intended to be resolved in the game.

They are important, obviously, if they are alive, if not their successor Warden Commander, also important in relation to events in Awakening, can take their place. The Warden being one of several races and having multiple personalities are not in any way barriers to them coming back. The Inquisitor could be one of several races and they are returning in some capacity.

 

The preview to the Warden's cameo would be just like Hawke's in DAI or however Bioware decides to handle the Inquisitor's in whice race and voice will be a factor. Why can't this be extended to the Warden? All that would be needed is to add a race marker or similar function to the character creator progress to what they did with Hawke, whose gender, class and personality were per-determined via the World State. As for the personality simply add more options to the World State. The system used for Hawke wasn't perfect but there is no reason it can't be improved with the Warden in mind.

[TheKomandorShepard]

They are important, obviously, if they are alive, if not their successor Warden Commander, also important in relation to events in Awakening, can take their place. The Warden being one of several races and having multiple personalities are not in any way barriers to them coming back. The Inquisitor could be one of several races and they are returning in some capacity.

 

The preview to the Warden's cameo would be just like Hawke's in DAI or however Bioware decides to handle the Inquisitor's in whice race and voice will be a factor. Why can't this be extended to the Warden? All that would be needed is to add a race marker or similar function to the character creator progress to what they did with Hawke, whose gender, class and personality were per-determined via the World State. As for the personality simply add more options to the World State. The system used for Hawke wasn't perfect but there is no reason it can't be improved with the Warden in mind.

From what i recall nowhere is sated that Inquistor will return that is first.Second why they should ruin fully-customizable pc for a lot of people turning them into random npc with preset personality that reminds nothing of character they have created. As i said they screwd up with Hawke that was much less-customizable, and they said theat they acknowledge it.

 

WC is irrelevant, he isn't even sought by Cassandra and there is no single mention of them in DaI. 

[Aren]

1.Once again learn to read what im saying, Flemeth has role in Inquistion main story , Morrigan is deeply connected to the Flemeth so once again Morrigan is necessary element to solve/carry their conflict that was established since first game.

2.As above reading comprehension , OGB was only part of point nr 2 and once again i used word optionally toward it , conflict isn't optional OGB is and only fuels conflict.

3.As above.

4.No you are here biased one , i posted clear evidence that shows Morrigan has much less appearances in series than Leliana and can do the same for Alistair , so now you repating facts i have refuted.

Morrigan
-Morrigan is companion in dao
-Morrigan has dlc where she shows up in the end of dlc
-Morrigan shows up later in the game in Inquistion.

Leliana
-Leliana is companion in dao
-Leliana has own dlc where she is protagonist and has all screen time
-Leliana shows up in da 2 and Exiled prince
-Leliana shows up in MoTA.
-Leliana shows up in Asunder
-Leliana shows up in Masked Empire
-Leliana shows up in Dai from the beginning
-Leliana has role in Trespasser
-Leliana shows up in Magekiller

So sorry if you can't tell difference between numbers in those statistics i don't think i can help you.

Your attempt separate books from da products is pointless because they are still part of franchise and frame in-universe canon story and events.

Wot is irrelevant because WoT is guide book describing lore and characters for player , plus it involves both Morrigan and Leliana.

Morrigan is connected to Flemeth
(you said this for the 20th times by now)and i gave the same answer 20th times.
Does suppose to mean something for the Inquisitor?
Does it matter for my mission?
Answer no
Why the Inquisitor should care about her personal conflict?
So saying that Cullen is a writer pet because he is there for fan service while at the same time Morrigan isn't because of her personal subplot is bias and hypocrisy.
The inquisitor and the new players don't need to know her conflict with Flemeth because it is not necessary to defeat Cory.

2 -3resolved don't even mention the OGB from now on

4
She is still a writer pet ,the fact that Leliana is overused does not change the fact that Morrigan is a writer pet like Leliana.

She is in DAO and is unkillable unlike all the others companions

She is in Wh and has plot armor against the warden

She is in DAI and has plot armor against the dragon

Of course Wot does not count because you said so OK,very fair

She is the narrator for the vanilla game.

She is a writer pet.

The End

[midnight tea]

They are important, obviously, if they are alive, if not their successor Warden Commander, also important in relation to events in Awakening, can take their place. The Warden being one of several races and having multiple personalities are not in any way barriers to them coming back. The Inquisitor could be one of several races and they are returning in some capacity.

 

The Inquisitor never dies and is always at the very same place at the end of the story, very much unlike the Warden. They can't disappear in the eluvian with their LI, they can't be rulers of Ferelden, they can't have OGB children. They're always Inquisitors, who at the end of epilogue are all - no matter of personality or style of leading - going to Tevinter to find people Solas doesn't know.

 

Add to that the fact that they're current protagonists who lead a large, powerful organization and have contacts all over the world - they're not heroes from 10 years prior who mostly disappeared somewhere, or didn't survive in the first place.

 

 

 

 

The preview to the Warden's cameo would be just like Hawke's in DAI or however Bioware decides to handle the Inquisitor's in whice race and voice will be a factor. Why can't this be extended to the Warden? All that would be needed is to add a race marker or similar function to the character creator progress to what they did with Hawke, whose gender, class and personality were per-determined via the World State. As for the personality simply add more options to the World State. The system used for Hawke wasn't perfect but there is no reason it can't be improved with the Warden in mind.

 

In what conceivable way "adding more options to the world state" is a viable solution? These personalities ALL would have to be voiced, animated, history variations accounted for by creating different scenarios, divergent codexes, different character interactions and sometimes likely entirely different scenes. We're talking about super-expensive content to make, not just some stuff that we can just throw into the Keep.

 

Besides - we don't yet know at what capacity Inquisitor will be present in DA4 and what they'd do to account for differences in their personalities. They haven't yet figured out how to do it with 1 in DA-verse, and you want them to go with 2? Especially that the 2nd one currently has barely any ties to overarching story?

[midnight tea]

From what i recall nowhere is sated that Inquistor will return that is first.

 

It is patently stated in Trespasser and in Keep choices for Trespasser. It's the Inquisitor who is going to stop Solas, although in what role (PC, secondary PC, NPC) we don't yet know.

 

Also, David Gaider told in one of recent Interviews that DAI is half of the story arc; another is in Patrick Weekes' hands. And Patrick Weekes basically confirmed on his Twitter that if they're going to make another game, Solavellan is going to get a conclusion - and it's very unlikely they're just going to bring back female Lavellan into DA4 for the sake of romance conclusion.

[TheKomandorShepard]

It is patently stated in Trespasser and in Keep choices for Trespasser. It's the Inquisitor who is going to stop Solas, although in what role (PC, secondary PC, NPC) we don't yet know.

 

Also, David Gaider told in one of recent Interviews that DAI is half of the story arc; another is in Patrick Weekes' hands. And Patrick Weekes basically confirmed on his Twitter that if they're going to make another game, Solavellan is going to get a conclusion - and it's very unlikely they're just going to bring back female Lavellan into DA4 for the sake of romance conclusion.

 

That Inquistor claimed they will stop Solas doesn't mean they will stop Solas, pretty much Inquistor contribution in next game may be as much letter or just sending X to do X.

 

Conclusion simply may be simple said letter or epilogue slide, pretty much if i recall they were saying smiliar stuff about the warden in dai.  

[TheKomandorShepard]

Morrigan is connected to Flemeth
(you said this for the 20th times by now)and i gave the same answer 20th times.
Does suppose to mean something for the Inquisitor?
Does it matter for my mission?
Answer no
Why the Inquisitor should care about her personal conflict?
So saying that Cullen is a writer pet because he is there for fan service while at the same time Morrigan isn't because of her personal subplot is bias and hypocrisy.
The inquisitor and the new players don't need to know her conflict with Flemeth because it is not necessary to defeat Cory.

2 -3resolved don't even mention the OGB from now on

4
She is still a writer pet ,the fact that Leliana is overused does not change the fact that Morrigan is a writer pet like Leliana.

She is in DAO and is unkillable unlike all the others companions

She is in Wh and has plot armor against the warden

She is in DAI and has plot armor against the dragon

Of course Wot does not count because you said so OK,very fair

She is the narrator for the vanilla game.

She is a writer pet.

The End

 

I still see you didn't improve your reading skills.

 

First of all, Where i said it has to mean something for Inquistor you make one ridiculous conclusions after another moving away from what im saying. Once again conflict was set up since first game and in Inquistion they carried conflict forward , plain and simple once again Flemeth and Morrigan had own exclusive plot going on since beginning of the series, that your Inquistor doesn't care is irrelevant because conflict still exist and writers needed to resolve or move forward plot they have started.   

 

Second of all , once again reading comprehension it is clear that you are not even trying grasp what im saying , where i did Cullen is writers pet because it is just another your ridiculous assumption that you made up in your head and cling to it. And once again Morrigan conflict with Flemeth was set up since first game thus leaving unresolved plot , Cullen on other hand had no reason to return so sorry but i explained it about 20 times.

 

If Leliana is wirters favorite how Morrian can be writers favorite... plot armor alone doesn't not make for writers pet otherwise by your logic Varric is also writers pet because he is only unkillable companion in da 2 and can't be killed at all , let alone trying to sell Morrigan narrating ending as being writers pet is inane .

 

I pretty much have explained why WoT doesn't count , WoT is out-universe guide book, not product framing in-universe story. 

 

So , no Morrigan isn't writers pet Leliana is. 

[midnight tea]

That Inquistor claimed they will stop Solas doesn't mean they will stop Solas, pretty much Inquistor contribution in next game may be as much letter or just sending X to do X.

 

It could be, if the game significantly changed from plans they've had when they created Trespasser - but Trespasser reveals that their current plans for the Inquisitor are very concrete.

 

And they wouldn't be building a relationship (positive or negative) with Solas if they didn't intend to use it, or restricted their "appearance" to something inconsequential.

 

Also - what would be the point of giving Inquisitor an option to redeem him if they didn't do the redeeming? What reasons would new character have to redeem Solas? Any new PC we'd have wouldn't know Solas well enough to even consider redemption.

 

... Or are you predicting that prior to final confrontation Inquisitor will just send Solas a sternly-worded letter?

[TheKomandorShepard]

It could be, if the game significantly changed from plans they've had when they created Trespasser - but Trespasser reveals that their current plans for the Inquisitor are very concrete.

 

And they wouldn't be building a relationship (positive or negative) with Solas if they didn't intend to use it, or restricted their "appearance" to something inconsequential.

 

Also - what would be the point of giving Inquisitor an option to redeem him if they didn't do the redeeming? What reasons would new character have to redeem Solas? Any new PC we'd have wouldn't know Solas well enough to even consider redemption.

 

... Or are you predicting that prior to final confrontation Inquisitor will just send Solas a sternly-worded letter?

 

Trespassers , show very little next to nothing on how Inquistor intends to act against Solas , only thing is that s/he intends find new people that Solas doesn't know to deal with him, what rather points toward using other people to fight Solas rather than personally fighting Solas.

 

They have already used it in Trespasser that pretty much served as a mean to get rid off Inquistion and set up Solas as next antagonist.

 

Choice in dragon age matters very little , Hawke could have sided with mages and templars yet it contributed nothing into solving conflict and Hawke had no say and wasn't even involved into mage-templar war, and in the end new protagonist decided with who they sided and how to handle mage-templar war. 

 

Wouldn't be suprised if contact with Inquistor would end on angry/pleading letter if Inquistor decided to save solas , or supporting letter if you decided to stop him. 

[midnight tea]

Trespassers , show very little next to nothing on how Inquistor intends to act against Solas , only thing is that s/he intends find new people that Solas doesn't know to deal with him, what rather points toward using other people to fight Solas rather than personally fighting Solas.

 

LOL, what matters is that the Trespasser and choices in the Keep very definitely state that it is the Inquisitor and Inquisition who will carry out that intention. The details of how they intend to act will come with DA4. I mean... why would epilogue of DA3 spoil the details of DA4? They're irrelevant for now.

 

Also - whether there will be new people who will fight against Solas doesn't change the fact that Inquisitor declares that THEY will have to find them.

 

And Trespasser didn't "get rid" of Inquisitor; it literally gave them new arc and goal.

 

 

Choice in dragon age matters very little , Hawke could have sided with mages and templars yet it contributed nothing into solving conflict and Hawke had no say and wasn't even involved into mage-templar war, and in the end new protagonist decided with who they sided and how to handle mage-templar war. 

 

Huh, why bringing a random choice from an earlier, very different game which had 3 times less development time? What does it matter to DAI, where Inquisitor is a far more important character, in terms of role and its scope in the world, than Hawke ever was?

 

Besides - Hawke was still brought to Inquisition for releasing Cory. Given that Solas and Inky's relationship is way more complex than Hawke's with Corypheus, it's hard to imagine that they'd do anything less in DA4.

 

 

 

Wouldn't be suprised if contact with Inquistor would end on angry/pleading letter if Inquistor decided to save solas , or supporting letter if you decided to stop him. 

 

A worst-case scenario. Given that - unlike DA2 - Inquisition was a solid financial and critical success and was given way more development time (and they have Frostbite figured out at this point, plus they don't have to bend over backwards to design for old-gen) I find such pessimism unwarranted, even if we don't know yet what we'll get.

[TheKomandorShepard]

LOL, what matters is that the Trespasser and choices in the Keep very definitely state that it is the Inquisitor and Inquisition who will carry out that intention. The details of how they intend to act will come with DA4. I mean... why would epilogue of DA3 spoil the details of DA4? They're irrelevant for now.

 

Also - whether there will be new people who will fight against Solas doesn't change the fact that Inquisitor declares that THEY will have to find them.

 

And Trespasser didn't "get rid" of Inquisitor; it literally gave them new arc and goal.

 

 

Huh, why bringing a random choice from an earlier, very different game which had 3 times less development time? What does it matter to DAI, where Inquisitor is a far more important character, in terms of role and its scope in the world, than Hawke ever was?

 

Besides - Hawke was still brought to Inquisition for releasing Cory. Given that Solas and Inky's relationship is way more complex than Hawke's with Corypheus, it's hard to imagine that they'd do anything less in DA4.

 

 

 

A worst-case scenario. Given that - unlike DA2 - Inquisition was a solid financial and critical success and was given way more development time (and they have Frostbite figured out at this point, plus they don't have to bend over backwards to design for old-gen) I find such pessimism unwarranted, even if we don't know yet what we'll get.

 

1,Once again , that they Inquistor and keep said that Inquistor decided redeem or stop Solas doesn't mean they will do it personally or even at all. I may claim that i will climb Mount Everest , doesn't mean i will. I said Inquistion not Inquistor , and as before Inquistor said he will use new people to defeat Solas and Inquistor is pretty much out of the combat, so inquistor as well may "fight" against Solas from far away.

 

2.Simply because it's similarity , both set up an issue that is/will be resolved in next game and offered choice when it comes to issue , what effectively shows that choice made by pervious protagonist may be completely irrelevant and choice will always belong to new protagonist. Inquistor currently isn't anymore important than Hawke was at the end of da 2.

 

Hawke was brought back because they never get to finish his last DLC and DG said they will touch issue from said DLC in Inquistion.Plus , and as i said devs acknowledged that brining Hawke was bad idea as fans complained about it.

 

3.I would say it is likely scenario , you claim that Inquistion was financial success thus your choices from previous games will matter and yet despite that they pretty much continued to cut branches in Trespasser, what shows bioware didn't change their policy when it comes to choices from previous games, so yes my pessimism is very warranted .

[Abyss108]

1,Once again , that they Inquistor and keep said that Inquistor decided redeem or stop Solas doesn't mean they will do it personally or even at all. I may claim that i will climb Mount Everest , doesn't mean i will. 

 

You realise real life and a narrative don't work the same way right? Giving narrative weight (the entire finale, several major cutscenes, big speeches with epic music playing in the background) to something that will be brushed aside without meaning is incredibly shitty writing. Doesn't matter if it can happen in real life. In real life, you might have a heart attack tomorrow, doesn't mean it's OK to have the next Star Wars movie open with "and then they dropped dead of an unrelated illness".

[TheKomandorShepard]

You realise real life and a narrative don't work the same way right? Giving narrative weight (the entire finale, several major cutscenes, big speeches with epic music playing in the background) to something that will be brushed aside without meaning is incredibly shitty writing. Doesn't matter if it can happen in real life. In real life, you might have a heart attack tomorrow, doesn't mean it's OK to have the next Star Wars movie open with "and then they dropped dead of an unrelated illness".

 

Not rly , in both real life and a narrative this isn't mandatory as i pointed with Hawke that had nothing to do with mage-templar war despite his involvement and building up him as great figure in that conflict, Inquistor isn't even announced to return in next game in Trespasser and Trespasser purpose as i said was more to get rid off Inquisiton and announce antagonist for next game.

 

Why it isn't ok, do you want to tell me that heart attack can't be used in fiction? 

[Abyss108]

Not rly , in both real life and a narrative this isn't mandatory as i pointed with Hawke that had nothing to do with mage-templar war despite his involvement and building up him as great figure in that conflict, Inquistor isn't even announced to return in next game in Trespasser and Trespasser purpose as i said was more to get rid off Inquisiton and announce antagonist for next game.

 

Why it isn't ok, do you want to tell me that heart attack can't be used in fiction? 

 

Remind me at what point Hawke said that? 

 

It's irrelevant anyway. Afterall, the next game will simple end with everyone getting hit by a meteriote and dying. That could happen in real life, so it must be a very well written narrative.

[Seritath]

The only way they could really bring the HoF/Warden back and not have to retcon their canon death in DA:O would be to do it in a seperate DLC relating to the curing of the calling, or Ferelden politics. That is the only way I can reasonably see them playing into this community wish, and even if it would satiate the players, you gotta remember the EA policy: If it don't make money, F the players.

 

That, and reasonably to add in another-hawke,  hire a couple new voice actors for the HoF, and various other things is not only non essential, but ridiculous.

[Aren]

I still see you didn't improve your reading skills.

 

First of all, Where i said it has to mean something for Inquistor you make one ridiculous conclusions after another moving away from what im saying. Once again conflict was set up since first game and in Inquistion they carried conflict forward , plain and simple once again Flemeth and Morrigan had own exclusive plot going on since beginning of the series, that your Inquistor doesn't care is irrelevant because conflict still exist and writers needed to resolve or move forward plot they have started.   

 

 And once again Morrigan conflict with Flemeth was set up since first game thus leaving unresolved plot , Cullen on other hand had no reason to return so sorry but i explained it about 20 times.

 

 

So , no Morrigan isn't writers pet Leliana is. 

You still fail to grasp and continue  to write the same post over and over and over again like a stubborn lemon :

 

Komandor said

-Morrigan isnt a writer's pet because she is involved in a conflict with FLemeth that was set since the dawn of the first game that came out during the Hadean and nedded a resoultion for the Phanerozoic

 

Aren answer

OK! OK!  OK!  Stop repeat the same soup  i read it 100th of times by now! 

 

My answer  is always the same:

That she is involved with Flemeth does not make her necessary to move the main plot of DAI

Conflicts that are necessary to move the main plot like the one between the Inquisitor and Corypheus, The Inquisitor and Solas , FLemeth and Solas and many others are not fan service ,on the other hand,Morrigan case is different because she is not necessary to move the main story of DAI hence she is a writer pet that was not necessary to involve in the game.

Have you grasped the concept stubborn as you are?

Or you will quote this post and keep repeating to say Morrigan is tied in a conflict with Flemeth that need resoultion over and over and over again?!

and  i will continue to respond that their conflict it is not necessary for DAI

[nightscrawl]

Afterall, the next game will simple end with everyone getting hit by a meteriote and dying.

I hope we get to see that in a fully realized cinematic.

[TheKomandorShepard]

 

Yet you still fail to grasp and continue to bashing the same post over and over and over again like a stubborn lemon :

 

-Morrigan isnt a writer's pet because she is involved in a conflict with FLemeth

OK  stop repeat the same soup  i read it 100th of times by now

 

 

My answer  is always the same 

That she is involved with Flemeth does not make her necessary to move the main plot ,hence she is no less of a writer pet like others unnecessary characters.

Conflicts that are necessary to move the main plot like the one between the Inquisitor and Corypheus, The Inquisitor and Solas , FLemeth and Solas,Cassandra and Leliana who started the foundation of the Inquisition and many others that are necessary to move the main plot are not here for fan service.

Morrigan case is different,she is not necessary to move the main story of DAI hence she is a writer pet that was not necessary to use in the game.

Have you grasped the concept stubborn as you are?

Or you will quote this post and keep repeating to say Morrigan is tied in a conflict with Flemeth over and over and over again?

 

 

Pls , you are one moving away from what im saying and failing to grasp what im saying , what i pointed in my pervious post that most half of your stuff there had nothing to do with things i was saying or made baseless assumptions about what i said (despite i didn't even said them). This post is another excellent example you grasping at straws.

 

First of all why you mixed-up our discussion Morrigan having important role in dragon age franchise with discussion about being writers pet? I pretty sure i used different arguments for writers pet discussion , so you attempted look me bad by making my logic look ridiculous and in the end you made yourself look ridiculous because you tried ascribe my arguments that i used in topic A to Topic B despite i used different arguments in topic B.   

 

Second main conflict isn't only conflict in the series because it seems you fail to grasp that , conflict between Flemeth and Morrigan was set up since beginning of the series whether you like it or not and this conflict is part of franchise , Flemeth and Morrigan appear because their role and story in the franchise wasn't over and writers made it clear.

 

Cullen and Leliana weren't necessary once again, because there was no necessity to bring back those characters as they had no further role set up in the series like Flemeth ,Morrigan or Solas, and Cullen was fan-service because he was brought back just to appease his fans plain and simple.

 

So no problem is with you , as you fail to grasp what im saying and you are trying to twist what im saying and then talk about something i didn't even said.

 

 

Remind me at what point Hawke said that? 

 

It's irrelevant anyway. Afterall, the next game will simple end with everyone getting hit by a meteriote and dying. That could happen in real life, so it must be a very well written narrative.

Said what?

 

This is ridiculous logic, because you are trying to use extremely unlikely event as example to support "but it didn't happen in fiction" thus it can't happen in fiction , sorry were you killed by meteorite in real life? It can happen both in real life and fiction but as i said it is extremely unlikely event.  

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My HoF and Hawke and Inquisitor all moved to Kirkwall and became wealthy socialites.

I don't want them back in DA4.

Leave them alooooone.