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[greenbrownblue]

So Felassan died in the Fade, which means that he is a transquil. Assuming Solas did not kill him for real...

Is there any way to reverse it (remember it is not the Right of Tranquillity) or is Felassan going to be tranquil forever. Also, what do you think of him as a companion? Would you like to have him on your team?

[Abyss108]

...YES PLEASE! 

[thats1evildude]

You could make Feynriel Tranquil only because you were in his dream via a Dalish ritual. That's also why a non-mage Hawke and his non-mage companions could enter the dream and why they were unharmed upon waking. It wasn't the true Fade.

Long story short: Felassan is dead.

Look at it another way: do you really think Solas would make his friend Tranquil? That if there was a possibility of that happening, he would strike Felassan down in the Fade?

[9TailsFox]

Felassan is dead for real. Dreamers can kill people in the fade and they die in real world. And I maybe wrong but i think Felassan was awake than Solas killed him.

[Dai Grepher]

He ded. He die.

 

What I didn't get about Felassan is who killed him. I thought it would have been Corypheus. But Trespasser seems to imply that it was Solas who killed him. Why? Doesn't really make sense. I can see Corypheus killing him for failing, but not Solas.

[Abyss108]

He ded. He die.

 

What I didn't get about Felassan is who killed him. I thought it would have been Corypheus. But Trespasser seems to imply that it was Solas who killed him. Why? Doesn't really make sense. I can see Corypheus killing him for failing, but not Solas.

 

As a massive Solas fangirl, who will defend him to quite literally the end of the world - this seems perfectly in character for Solas.

[thats1evildude]

Why not? He had knowledge of Solas' true identity and his game plan. Felassan did not only fail, but he did so willfully; at that point, he became a dangerous liability.

[Dai Grepher]

As a massive Solas fangirl, who will defend him to quite literally the end of the world - this seems perfectly in character for Solas.

 

Then explain your man's actions.

 

Why not? He had knowledge of Solas' true identity and his game plan. Felassan did not only fail, but he did so willfully; at that point, he became a dangerous liability.

 

Yes, but so does an Inquisitor he might hate, and that Inquisitor is actually in a position to make things difficult for him, yet Solas lets that Inquisitor live. At least Felassan was loyal, and an actual "person", or at least that's what I thought Solas thought of him. I don't see how Felassan failed willfully. He did actually TRY to get the key from Briala, didn't he? That's why he tried telling her of the ancient elvhen, to get her interested in it enough to share that secret with him. I don't see how he was a dangerous liability. Or at least nothing near that of the Inquisitor, who is left to live.

[thats1evildude]

Briala's was going to tell Felassan the password to access the eluvians. He stopped her. He deliberately failed his mission. He didn't agree with Solas anymore and thus had to die.

As for the rest, Solas saves the Inquisitor to prevent further chaos in Thedas. That's also why he stopped the qunari. Felassan's death impacted no one.

[Nefla]

I think I've had more than enough of EU characters (and characters from previous games) being put into the game with little to no character development in the game itself...

[Dai Grepher]

Briala's was going to tell Felassan the password to access the eluvians. He stopped her. He deliberately failed his mission. He didn't agree with Solas anymore and thus had to die.

As for the rest, Solas saves the Inquisitor to prevent further chaos in Thedas. That's also why he stopped the qunari. Felassan's death impacted no one.

 

Okay then, does Solas know he deliberately failed? And wasn't his death unnecessary as well?

[thats1evildude]

Yes, Solas knew.

"I don't have the pass phrase. Briala did not tell me."
It was a lie, of sorts. She would have told him, had he not stopped her. And the figure behind him heard the lie and knew it as well.
...
There would be no debate, no impassioned plea. Felassan had known that when he sat down before the campfire.

[thats1evildude]

And yes, he had to die. Because what else do you do with traitors, especially when they're key agents?

[Abyss108]

Then explain your man's actions.

 

 

Solas isn't afraid to get his hands dirty to achieve his goals. Listen to some of his banter with Sera where he talks about having to remove people if they are no longer nessesary. Listen to the voices of the people who died in the library in Trespasser. Solas will kill anyone who could be a threat to him, and Felassan is a threat. Felassan chooses Briala over Solas' goals. He could give all of his plans away, or fight against him. There was no way Solas could let him live.

 

The only reason the Inquisitor is still alive is because he doesn't think you could ever stand against him. You could possible argue that if you are very good friends/lovers, its also partly because he wants to be stopped at that point, but its mainly because he is incapable of viewing you as a real threat. If you are not a threat, there is no harm in letting you live (especially if he likes you), killing you will only cause chaos.

[Dai Grepher]

Yes, Solas knew.

"I don't have the pass phrase. Briala did not tell me."
It was a lie, of sorts. She would have told him, had he not stopped her. And the figure behind him heard the lie and knew it as well.
...
There would be no debate, no impassioned plea. Felassan had known that when he sat down before the campfire.

 

Wait, was Solas there? I understood that Felassan, Briala, and Mhiris were in the foggy Crossroads by themselves. How could Solas have been there?

 

And yes, he had to die. Because what else do you do with traitors?

 

Well, lock them away for all eternity, apparently. But was Felassan a traitor? Or did he still believe in Solas' plan? Suggesting The People be given a chance isn't the same as fighting the alternative plan.

 

Solas isn't afraid to get his hands dirty to achieve his goals. Listen to some of his banter with Sera where he talks about having to remove people if they are no longer nessesary. Listen to the voices of the people who died in the library in Trespasser. Solas will kill anyone who could be a threat to him, and Felassan is a threat. Felassan chooses Briala over Solas' goals. He could give all of his plans away, or fight against him. There was no way Solas could let him live.

 

The only reason the Inquisitor is still alive is because he doesn't think you could ever stand against him. You could possible argue that if you are very good friends/lovers, its also partly because he wants to be stopped at that point, but its mainly because he is incapable of viewing you as a real threat. If you are not a threat, there is no harm in letting you live (especially if he likes you), killing you will only cause chaos.

 

He said remove them if they become a detriment to the FoRJ's goals. Those who died in the Vir Dirthara did so because of the Veil, or that is what is alleged. And this seemed to be unintended or at least indirect. But I am aware that Solas likely corrupted the Librarians, though he had a reason for that. He chose to have faith in his long time student. So what? It isn't like he revealed any of Solas' plot to her. He only thought she deserved a chance. He never showed any disagreement with Solas' plan.

 

And he thought Felassan could have stood against him? How?

[thats1evildude]

Wait, was Solas there? I understood that Felassan, Briala, and Mhiris were in the foggy Crossroads by themselves. How could Solas have been there?

He wasn't. Solas met Felassan in the Fade AFTER they left the Crossroads. This is at the end of the book.

Felassan was sent on a mission. He deliberately failed that mission. He disagreed with Solas and believed the modern elves deserved to live. And Felassan knew that Solas would kill him for his failure.

Whether or not you agree with the reasons for his execution doesn't change the fact that Solas killed him. End of story.

[dgcatanisiri]

We're still talking Fen'Harel as he was before the events of Inquisition when it comes to him killing Felassan. This is a being who has awoken in what he sees as a cruel mockery of life. To him, the non-elven aren't even people, and the elves that live in modern Thedas are a pale shadow of what they were. For Felassan to say that Briala deserved a chance, that the people in the world as it is now deserve a chance, he is saying that he no longer holds with the belief that this world must die to let the one of the past be reborn. That makes Felassan an impediment to his plans - he knows who his benefactor was and what he plans.

 

There may not be any kind of threat to his plans by Felassan, but information is a vital resource. A prison is not just a waste of time, having to come up with guards to keep him locked away, devoting time and energy that he doesn't have, but it also goes against one of Fen'Harel's core tennants - he freed the slaves in ancient times, locking someone away is a crime to him.

 

The whole point of Solas's relationship with the Inquisitor in the game is how they can come to show him something worthwhile in this world, something that might make him hesitate when it comes time to enact his ultimate plans. The success of this, of course, varies on the Inquisitor's relationship with him, but still, it makes a difference for how he views the Inquisitor's meddling in his plans with Felassan failing to achieve the task he was sent on.

[Abyss108]

 

He said remove them if they become a detriment to the FoRJ's goals. Those who died in the Vir Dirthara did so because of the Veil, or that is what is alleged. And this seemed to be unintended or at least indirect. But I am aware that Solas likely corrupted the Librarians, though he had a reason for that. He chose to have faith in his long time student. So what? It isn't like he revealed any of Solas' plot to her. He only thought she deserved a chance. He never showed any disagreement with Solas' plan.

 

And he thought Felassan could have stood against him? How?

 

Well, a chance for what?  A chance to not die? Because that goes against what Solas needs to happen. Solas' plan is to genocide the world.

 

Solas doesn't kill people without reason, and he doesn't like doing it. The deaths might be indirect, or because he "has no choice", but he still caused them. And he'll cause however many he needs to achieve his goals.

 

It's hard to say how Felassan could/could not stand against him, when we don't know exactly what he is doing. But since he won't tell the Inquisitor his plans, he obviously views anyone else knowing as a risk.

[Dai Grepher]

He wasn't. Solas met Felassan in the Fade AFTER they left the Crossroads. This is at the end of the book.

Felassan was sent on a mission. He deliberately failed that mission. He disagreed with Solas and believed the modern elves deserved to live. And Felassan knew that Solas would kill him for his failure.

Whether or not you agree with the reasons for his execution doesn't change the fact that Solas killed him. End of story.

 

Right, so if he wasn't there to see Felassan tell Briala to withhold the phrase, then why would Solas think he was lying?

 

But how does Solas know he deliberately failed? And it wasn't a total failure anyway. He did at least identify who had the keystone and phrase. All Solas had to do was track Briala down. For his failure. Sure. So even if he tried his hardest and failed by no fault of his own, Solas would have killed him anyway?

 

I didn't claim Solas didn't kill him. I stated that it makes no sense that he would do so. But I recognize that Solas is not a logic-driven character.

 

We're still talking Fen'Harel as he was before the events of Inquisition when it comes to him killing Felassan. This is a being who has awoken in what he sees as a cruel mockery of life. To him, the non-elven aren't even people, and the elves that live in modern Thedas are a pale shadow of what they were. For Felassan to say that Briala deserved a chance, that the people in the world as it is now deserve a chance, he is saying that he no longer holds with the belief that this world must die to let the one of the past be reborn. That makes Felassan an impediment to his plans - he knows who his benefactor was and what he plans.

 

There may not be any kind of threat to his plans by Felassan, but information is a vital resource. A prison is not just a waste of time, having to come up with guards to keep him locked away, devoting time and energy that he doesn't have, but it also goes against one of Fen'Harel's core tennants - he freed the slaves in ancient times, locking someone away is a crime to him.

 

The whole point of Solas's relationship with the Inquisitor in the game is how they can come to show him something worthwhile in this world, something that might make him hesitate when it comes time to enact his ultimate plans. The success of this, of course, varies on the Inquisitor's relationship with him, but still, it makes a difference for how he views the Inquisitor's meddling in his plans with Felassan failing to achieve the task he was sent on.

 

Understood. But Solas can remain as he is all through Inquisition and Trespasser if the Inquisitor "proves him right" about Thedas' people.

 

Apparently, even the elvhen aren't people if he will kill Felassan so casually. I don't think that's what Felassan said at all. Saying they deserve a chance means they should be allowed to try ONCE. If they fail in that chance, then go ahead with the plan. If Felassan truly didn't believe in Solas' plan anymore, then he would have attacked him, or told him a false passphrase, or not met up with him at all and outed him to Briala or the Dalish.

 

Solas had plenty of agents, according to what he said in Trespasser. Enough to even show Corypheus where to look for the orb. Locking someone away is a crime to him? So... he's never locked any other elvhen away before this? A prisoner isn't the same as a slave. He's against slavery, not imprisonment.

 

But in this example I'm asking why he would let an Inquisitor he hates live if he killed a loyal agent of his own already.

 

And in all honesty, could Felassan really be blamed for his failure? The one who had the keystone originally was Imshael. He just happened to give it to Briala. And Felassan did at least tell Solas who had the keystone. More agents could have taken her easily. It seems Solas was content to follow Felassan's advice after all.

 

Well, a chance for what?  A chance to not die? Because that goes against what Solas needs to happen. Solas' plan is to genocide the world.

 

Solas doesn't kill people without reason, and he doesn't like doing it. The deaths might be indirect, or because he "has no choice", but he still caused them. And he'll cause however many he needs to achieve his goals.

 

It's hard to say how Felassan could/could not stand against him, when we don't know exactly what he is doing. But since he won't tell the Inquisitor his plans, he obviously views anyone else knowing as a risk.

 

A chance to use the eluvians and lead the elven people. She reminded him of someone, though we don't get to see who it was she reminded him of. Mythal maybe? And gee, isn't it Solas' plan to restore the elven people? Shouldn't those elves be spared anyway? Or are they not his people either?

 

But do those elves need to die? I would think not if Briala could lead them through the eluvians to safety. Yes?

 

He told the Inquisitor his plans. Tear down the Veil and remake the world using the Fade's magic. And if anyone knowing the exact details is a risk, then why would he have bothered telling Felassan in the first place?

[thats1evildude]

But how does Solas know he deliberately failed?

Felassan said "I will not take the eluvians from her."

And it wasn't a total failure anyway. He did at least identify who had the keystone and phrase. All Solas had to do was track Briala down. For his failure. Sure. So even if he tried his hardest and failed by no fault of his own, Solas would have killed him anyway?

He didn't try his hardest. He deliberately failed the mission. Deliberately. Failed.

[Dai Grepher]

Felassan said "I will not take the eluvians from her."

He didn't try his hardest. He deliberately failed the mission. Deliberately. Failed.

 

Solas heard Felassan say this? When?

 

And this is worthy of death? He only half failed. He did tell Solas who had the keystone and phrase. So if this was so important that Felassan had to die for it, why didn't Solas track Briala down and get the keystone and phrase from her?

 

I wonder what would have happened had Felassan succeeded. Would Solas have killed him anyway for being a risk?

[Medhia_Nox]

@Dai Grepher:  "worthy of death" - you're asking if an ancient elven psychopath considers things like "worth" which I would argue is your first mistake. 

 

Felassan displeased his master... so his master killed him.

 

That people believe the hype Solas feeds them in Tresspasser is on them... not Solas.  The man proves to be a manipulator and deceiver through an entire game and THEN decides to be honest?  Doubtful... he's prideful, but not stupid.  Lying isn't a moral choice to him.  Deceiving the Inquisitor is just the best way to manipulate him/her.

 

So Solas tells you that the Evanuris were the baddies and that he was the great benevolent "Dread Wolf" when... it could EASILY be the other way around. 

 

Here's another story:  Solas trapped the Forgotten Ones and the Evanuris so that he alone could rule the elves... but what he didn't realize is that his prison would royally screw his plans at total domination.  So... now he wants to let down the Veil so he can properly rule and kill the Evanuris so he can be a sole power.  He admires the "idea" of the Maker because he wants to be perceived that way.

 

And I've told you the total truth.  It's not a lie of any sort - I have magical petrification powers to prove how truthful I am.  How could someone so powerful as me possibly lie? 

 

Making the Dalish right about the Dread Wolf would be absolutely stunningly hilarious to me. 

 

Felassan was just the first person (that we know of) to fall in the Dread Wolf's bid for domination.

[vbibbi]

@Dai Grepher:  "worthy of death" - you're asking if an ancient elven psychopath considers things like "worth" which I would argue is your first mistake. 
 
Felassan displeased his master... so his master killed him.
 
That people believe the hype Solas feeds them in Tresspasser is on them... not Solas.  The man proves to be a manipulator and deceiver through an entire game and THEN decides to be honest?  Doubtful... he's prideful, but not stupid.  Lying isn't a moral choice to him.  Deceiving the Inquisitor is just the best way to manipulate him/her.
 
So Solas tells you that the Evanuris were the baddies and that he was the great benevolent "Dread Wolf" when... it could EASILY be the other way around. 
 
Here's another story:  Solas trapped the Forgotten Ones and the Evanuris so that he alone could rule the elves... but what he didn't realize is that his prison would royally screw his plans at total domination.  So... now he wants to let down the Veil so he can properly rule and kill the Evanuris so he can be a sole power.  He admires the "idea" of the Maker because he wants to be perceived that way.
 
And I've told you the total truth.  It's not a lie of any sort - I have magical petrification powers to prove how truthful I am.  How could someone so powerful as me possibly lie? 
 
Making the Dalish right about the Dread Wolf would be absolutely stunningly hilarious to me. 
 
Felassan was just the first person (that we know of) to fall in the Dread Wolf's bid for domination.

If this happens I will be impressed with Bioware.

[thats1evildude]

Solas heard Felassan say this? When?

At the end of the book. Which you really should read if you're going to be constantly questioning its plot points.

Seriously, you can accept that Solas intends to destroy the modern world, but you have trouble wrapping your head around the idea that he would kill one disobedient servant?

[Medhia_Nox]

@thats1evildude:  I think he's questioning whether the mystery being was Solas... but I think it's pretty obvious it was (at least now).