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[Serza]

As a massive Solas fangirl, who will defend him to quite literally the end of the world - this seems perfectly in character for Solas.

 

Yeah, well, the Hahren is kind of with stoopid right about now.

[Dai Grepher]

He doesn't allow Briala to keep the Eluvians. He overwrites the passphrase so she can't use them any more - he explains all this in Trespasser...

 

 

Felassan was his friend, not just his underling that he ordered around. He didn't expect the "betrayal", he had probably trusted him for who knows how long back when they were fighting the Evanuris. Furthermore, you can't run anything if everyone other than you doesn't know anything about what going on. Why does anyone believe in you if you just order them to follow you for no reason other than "it's a secret~"? How do they know how to react if something goes wrong and the plan needs to change when Solas isn't around? Solas thought he was trustworthy, but Felassan directly told him he didn't agree with Solas' goals anymore, proving he wasn't anymore. The only logical action to take towards someone who doesn't agree with your goals, and has the ability to tell others who can act against them, is to dispose of them.

 

Yeah... some four years later.

 

Ah ah, did he tell Solas he no longer agreed with his plans? Or did he just ask Solas to give the modern elves a chance to prove themselves? It looks to me that he was killed for offering insight and advice.
 

Solas could have said his plan was to restore the elven people by opening the eluvian network and recreating Arlathan there. Every one of his followers would have accepted that.

[Dai Grepher]

@Dai Grepher:  You won't get much argument from me.  I think Solas is a bit of a mess, and I think a lot of people find patterns of logic where none actually exist where Solas is concerned. 

 

You touch on a point that drives me nuts about Tresspasser... an Inquisitor that promises to destroy Solas should have been destroyed.  Right then and there Solas should have looked down on him pityingly and said:  "I know you would try."  And then proceed to have the mark consume the Inquisitor. 

 

People who want to see Solas as some deep, misunderstood figure of immense wisdom will look at this and say: "Oh, obviously he's showing compassion here."  When, in reality... it's more likely just Bioware plot armor and an attempt to avoid player outrage. 

 

An Inquisitor that wants to redeem Solas should be left alive. Redemption isn't going to happen (except for perhaps self-annihilation) - but Solas would have no real reason to kill an eager pet.  

 

We already know that this elf wanted to get his magical item working... so he gave it to a Darkspawn Magister knowing full well the ritual that would be involved because he expects the Darkspawn Magister to "die in the explosion". 

 

The Dalish tales of Solas as the Dread Wolf paint him as a villain... so him killing Felassan is not at all out of character, unless you want to believe the Dalish tales are all wrong.  They could very well be.  We know the Dalish are more wrong about elven history than right.

 

However, when you look at Solas as a whole... you get tales of his predatory nature in the past AND factual data in the present... which suggests that there is more a chance that the tales are true than they are false.  Had Solas spent his time during Inquisition say... playing Gandhi to the elves of Thedas... then his nature as the "Dread Wolf" would be far more suspect. 

 

As it is, I believe all evidence points to the fact that Solas has always been... then and now... a being devoid of empathy and prideful enough to be megalomaniacal.  To me it makes perfect sense that he kills a someone that displeases him (by screwing up "The Plan")

 

This is why I believe the story he feeds the PC is totally false and a manipulation of the events to try to get you to agree with him.

 

Yeah, I'm just developing more of my own theory on Solas. Before this I only had the game as a reference, but his part in the book opens up a new dimension to his madness. I mean, some things he said in Trespasser were odd, and his purposeful twisting of the Librarians against their purpose was contradictory as well. It's like he is two entities, and the Dread Wolf is like his demon side.

 

I was thinking the same thing. If he'll do it to his friend Felassan who only questioned, then he would do it to an enemy who outright opposes him, and he wouldn't care if the world tore itself apart over the Inquisitor's mysterious and inconclusive death, which many would assume was the result of the anchor anyway.

 

Plot armor, yes. One logical explanation is in a topic I made a while ago and few took interest in. Maybe Solas let the hated ex-Inquisitor go (and all Inquisitors) because he can kill them at any time through dreamwalking.

 

Solas' orb plot was idiotic. I was made we couldn't call him out on how stupid it was.

 

The confusing part isn't the Dalish legend, which is quite possibly inaccurate. The thing I dislike is how Trespasser presents Fen'Harel as some noble liberator. None shall follow me but by choice. Let all who come be free and safe here. Even Cole becomes a Solas fanboy. So then... Solas says these stories are also wrong. Well, okay then. It's just weird that all we're getting is conflicting information. Is neither side correct? Are they both correct? The book portrays him as just as murderous and condescending as the evanuris. It's also weird that the game puts you at a better vantage to persuade him if you "fell" for all his tales and he approves of you for being "duped".

 

I don't know if Trespasser is saying he has genuinely changed or not. Does he really see people as people now? Or does that matter, since he is still willing to kill them anyway? Another weird one is his argument about spirits being people, and insisting they are, yet people aren't people? What?

 

He just seems like a rambling mad man.

[Dai Grepher]

Because he's killed mid-sentence. Again, read the book.

No, Felassan said, "Let's let them live," and Solas' plan hinges on everyone NOT living.

 

What was his mid-sentence exactly? If it were that easy to find a copy of the book I would have read it already (in the store).

 

Live where? In the place where everyone would die, or in the Crossroads? See, I think maybe Felassan was getting at letting them live in the reborn world. He wasn't saying don't destroy this world.

 

And if the current elves can't be saved, then why are they leaving from places all around Thedas to disappear into the woods? The epilogue implies they are joining Solas. Why?

[Abyss108]

Yeah... some four years later.

 

Ah ah, did he tell Solas he no longer agreed with his plans? Or did he just ask Solas to give the modern elves a chance to prove themselves? It looks to me that he was killed for offering insight and advice.
 

Solas could have said his plan was to restore the elven people by opening the eluvian network and recreating Arlathan there. Every one of his followers would have accepted that.

 

He did it as soon as he could.

 

Felassan apologised and directly said he would not take the Eluvians from Briala. He knew Solas would kill him when he said that. He didn't offer insight, he directly said he would not do what Solas wanted.

 

Yes, Solas could have lied, but he didn't think he had to. Remember that he doesn't think anyone in Thedas is actually a real person at this point, and neither do the people following him. Constructing an elaborate lie at this stage would be equivalent to me constructing an elaborate lie when I go outside to do some gardening, just so people don't suspect a few bugs and worms might get dug up.

[Abyss108]

What was his mid-sentence exactly? If it were that easy to find a copy of the book I would have read it already (in the store).

 

Live where? In the place where everyone would die, or in the Crossroads? See, I think maybe Felassan was getting at letting them live in the reborn world. He wasn't saying don't destroy this world.

 

And if the current elves can't be saved, then why are they leaving from places all around Thedas to disappear into the woods? The epilogue implies they are joining Solas. Why?

 

The exact line from the book is -

 

He smiled. “You know, I suspect you’ll hate this, but she reminds me of—” He never heard the blow that killed him.

 

 

It's never said which Elves are following Solas. They could be other spies, rather than modern Elves. Or Solas could have lied to them.

[Dai Grepher]

He did it as soon as he could.

 

Felassan apologised and directly said he would not take the Eluvians from Briala. He knew Solas would kill him when he said that. He didn't offer insight, he directly said he would not do what Solas wanted.

 

Yes, Solas could have lied, but he didn't think he had to. Remember that he doesn't think anyone in Thedas is actually a real person at this point, and neither do the people following him. Constructing an elaborate lie at this stage would be equivalent to me constructing an elaborate lie when I go outside to do some gardening, just so people don't suspect a few bugs and worms might get dug up.

 

As soon as he could? You sure? Because I seem to remember something about his servants revealing the orb's location to Corypheus before this. Why couldn't they just infiltrate Briala's newfound spy network and get what Solas needed?

 

Okay, so he showed remorse and said he would not take the stuff from Briala, but he did at least name her. So Solas knew that a keystone activated the eluvians, and he knew who had the passphrase. Solas knew who and what, and like G.I. Joe says, knowing is half the battle. So Felaassan basically completed the mission, he just couldn't bring himself to rob Briala of that opportunity to prove herself. So what? Solas could have sent others to do it. And like I wrote, nowhere does Felassan say that he disagrees with Solas' plan. He's basically just saying, "Give her a chance, they're stronger than you think, and if they prove themselves then try to work them into your plan".

 

Solas didn't think he had to lie about destroying a world full of beings that could possibly threaten his plan? He thought he could just share this with anyone? Okay, so if Solas doesn't see any of them as real people, then why kill Felassan? It's not like he could tell any of these non-people his plan, and it isn't like these non-people could stop him. Right?

 

Your analogy implies casual events, as if anyone would stop you from gardening. So then why stop Felassan from telling others that you are going out to garden? Or, if you think you'll be stopped or hindered if Felassan is allowed to tell others about this, then why tell him your real plan? Why not just say you're going outside for some fresh air?

 

The exact line from the book is -

 

He smiled. “You know, I suspect you’ll hate this, but she reminds me of—” He never heard the blow that killed him.

 

 

It's never said which Elves are following Solas. They could be other spies, rather than modern Elves. Or Solas could have lied to them.

 

Thanks for the quote. Sounds like Mythal would have been his comparison.

 

Or maybe Mythal is the one calling those elves, and it is just supposition that Solas is calling them.

[Dai Grepher]

Solas knew he was lying. Felassan even knew that he knew. And Felassan basically said, "No, boss, I'm not helping you anymore." So Solas killed him, because you'd have to be an absolute moron not to execute a traitor when you're already planning to kill millions of people.

 

And now I'm very tired of constantly repeating myself, so I'm not responding anymore.

 

If you have a quote stated that Felassan no longer agreed with Solas' plan at all, then I'll accept it. Seems to me he was just making a suggestion. And if Felassan had been a traitor, I doubt he would have bothered meeting with Solas in the Fade at all. He would have just deserted him.

[greenbrownblue]

 The story doesn't make sense. It's like the Solas in the book is different from the one in the game.

 

Actaully the original version of Solas was different. That's why I would not be surprised if he made Felassan tranquil. 

"Earlier drafts of Solas posited him as a much weaker character, and much more prone to lying and deception"

[greenbrownblue]

If you have a quote stated that Felassan no longer agreed with Solas' plan at all, then I'll accept it. Seems to me he was just making a suggestion. And if Felassan had been a traitor, I doubt he would have bothered meeting with Solas in the Fade at all. He would have just deserted him.

You gotta believe what ppl are telling you. At the end, Felassan decided: (quote) "It was pointless to put it off any longer" (I do not wanna spoil why, but he did) and faced the consequences. He did not go to the Fade to negotiate with the Dread Wolf. Felassan changed his mind about people and no longer agreed with Solas' plan.. As Cole says "his friend had to die, because he thought they were people. a slow arrow breaks in the sad wolf's jaws". 

I know that making someone tranquil is unlike Solas, but I can hardly believe that he permanently killed a friend and then some time later ended up thinking the way Felassan did. It is so damn selfish that... meh... 

Here is a list of places where you can buy a digital copy of The Masked Empire:

http://www.goodreads...6482/get_a_copy

Physical copy is available at Bioware Store.

 

[Dai Grepher]

Awww! Pay money?!?!

 

I believe what people are posting about it, which is why I'm asking. But yeah, I'll have to try to look it up somewhere.

 

I know what Cole says, but is that the truth, or just Cole's perception of the situation, or just what Solas thought and Cole read his mind?

[Abyss108]

 

 

I'm just going to drop out of this conversation now. It's utterly pointless to argue with someone about actions in a book he hasn't read, but just keeps making incorrect assumptions about anyway.

 

Feel free to keep believing what Felassan/Solas did/didn't do, even though it's directly said otherwise in clear text. I'm not searching through the book to quote every relevant passage because you refuse to buy it yourself, but expect everyone else to explain what happened whilst you go "nope, nope, nope".

[Gervaise]

If the information on the Wiki is correct and Solas was originally a much less likeable character, then the version in Masked Empire that kills Felassan is that earlier version of the Dread Wolf.   This ties in with the assertion that the romance was a very late addition, only possible because of the extra year of development, and was specifically written to make players have more sympathy with Solas (which is why I felt used by the writers rather than Solas).

 

I still hold to the idea that the devs borrowed from the old native American folk tale about the two wolves that vie for control in your mind; one virtuous and one bad.  The wolf that wins is the one you feed.   The Dread Wolf that went into uthenera was a very bitter, vengeful creature.   Whilst he seems to have observed the world from his sleep, which should have given him some insights into the value of the people that lived after him, it is still that of an outsider, who regarded them as no different to chess pieces being moved in a game (which he is rather good at).   When he talks about the events at the Winter Palace you get some insight into his character because he seemed to enjoy the Game; he actually seems to find it a turn on; whereas my characters generally loath the game and participate out of necessity, not because we enjoy watching the power play and plotting.  Remember the nobles think nothing of sacrificing innocent and loyal servants if it will advance their position (that is how Celene became Empress).   I think the Dread Wolf originally enjoyed watching the scheming between the Evanuris, until it was no longer amusing because Mythal was murdered.      To the Dread Wolf before the Inquisition Felassan was someone who had failed to deliver and was siding with the non-People against him; so he killed him, which he probably thought a merciful punishment.  (We do not know what happens to ancient elf spirits after death so he could have been releasing his spirit to form again in a new body)   After all when people really tick him off, like the Evanuris, he wants them to suffer.   

 

The differing view of both the Evanuris and Fen'Harel comes from the fact that we are seeing the view of their supporters versus the view of their enemies, plus in Solas' case his view of himself.   The other Evanuris do not have the luxury of presenting their own case, so we only have what other people say about them.   The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.   The Evanuris probably did start out as revered leaders but became corrupted by absolute power.   Each of them probably did instruct their followers in their own field of expertise and that is what the Dalish are recalling when they say they were benign teachers; it is the view of those who followed them willingly and did not seem themselves as slaves.   Abelas says he was bound to the will of Mythal, which sounds like slavery, but it would seem something he chose for himself.    The Dread Wolf may have opposed the "slavery" of the Evanuris and helped those who no longer wanted to serve them but he would still have expected loyalty from his followers.   Felassan was free to choose to disobey him and knew that the likely consequence would be death but did so none the less.  Not only that but he could have avoided the encounter but to do so would have been to lose face and shown him as not prepared to stand by what he believed.   He had chosen his course and was going to stick to it, just as his master Fen'Harel would do.  

 

It is not contradictory for Solas to start to see modern races in the same way that Felassan did because now he has lived among them.   Solas does not seem to have the capacity to anticipate or allow for a different viewpoint developing.    That was his flaw in giving the orb to Corypheus; he could not conceive that he would survive the explosion on opening it.  He could not conceive that Felassan might be right in acting as he did and that Solas himself would come to a similar conclusion and give them a similar opportunity for an improved existence.    However, it still hasn't deflected him from his purpose, which makes it worse in a way; at least before he didn't even admit that modern races might be real or have a value as people.   Now to a friend Inquisitor he admits that they "deserve" better but he intends going through with his plan anyway.

[Abyss108]

If the information on the Wiki is correct and Solas was originally a much less likeable character, then the version in Masked Empire that kills Felassan is that earlier version of the Dread Wolf.   This ties in with the assertion that the romance was a very late addition, only possible because of the extra year of development, and was specifically written to make players have more sympathy with Solas (which is why I felt used by the writers rather than Solas).

 

 

I've never understood this argument of being used by the writirs because they wanted to make Solas sympathetic. The entire point of writing is to get you to relate and find sympathy for the characters.

 

Literally every scene with every companion is written to get you to care about them. That's not being used, that's the entire reason to play the story.

[vbibbi]

If the information on the Wiki is correct and Solas was originally a much less likeable character, then the version in Masked Empire that kills Felassan is that earlier version of the Dread Wolf.   This ties in with the assertion that the romance was a very late addition, only possible because of the extra year of development, and was specifically written to make players have more sympathy with Solas (which is why I felt used by the writers rather than Solas).

 

I still hold to the idea that the devs borrowed from the old native American folk tale about the two wolves that vie for control in your mind; one virtuous and one bad.  The wolf that wins is the one you feed.   The Dread Wolf that went into uthenera was a very bitter, vengeful creature.   Whilst he seems to have observed the world from his sleep, which should have given him some insights into the value of the people that lived after him, it is still that of an outsider, who regarded them as no different to chess pieces being moved in a game (which he is rather good at).   When he talks about the events at the Winter Palace you get some insight into his character because he seemed to enjoy the Game; he actually seems to find it a turn on; whereas my characters generally loath the game and participate out of necessity, not because we enjoy watching the power play and plotting.  Remember the nobles think nothing of sacrificing innocent and loyal servants if it will advance their position (that is how Celene became Empress).   I think the Dread Wolf originally enjoyed watching the scheming between the Evanuris, until it was no longer amusing because Mythal was murdered.      To the Dread Wolf before the Inquisition Felassan was someone who had failed to deliver and was siding with the non-People against him; so he killed him, which he probably thought a merciful punishment.  (We do not know what happens to ancient elf spirits after death so he could have been releasing his spirit to form again in a new body)   After all when people really tick him off, like the Evanuris, he wants them to suffer.   

 

The differing view of both the Evanuris and Fen'Harel comes from the fact that we are seeing the view of their supporters versus the view of their enemies, plus in Solas' case his view of himself.   The other Evanuris do not have the luxury of presenting their own case, so we only have what other people say about them.   The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.   The Evanuris probably did start out as revered leaders but became corrupted by absolute power.   Each of them probably did instruct their followers in their own field of expertise and that is what the Dalish are recalling when they say they were benign teachers; it is the view of those who followed them willingly and did not seem themselves as slaves.   Abelas says he was bound to the will of Mythal, which sounds like slavery, but it would seem something he chose for himself.    The Dread Wolf may have opposed the "slavery" of the Evanuris and helped those who no longer wanted to serve them but he would still have expected loyalty from his followers.   Felassan was free to choose to disobey him and knew that the likely consequence would be death but did so none the less.  Not only that but he could have avoided the encounter but to do so would have been to lose face and shown him as not prepared to stand by what he believed.   He had chosen his course and was going to stick to it, just as his master Fen'Harel would do.  

 

It is not contradictory for Solas to start to see modern races in the same way that Felassan did because now he has lived among them.   Solas does not seem to have the capacity to anticipate or allow for a different viewpoint developing.    That was his flaw in giving the orb to Corypheus; he could not conceive that he would survive the explosion on opening it.  He could not conceive that Felassan might be right in acting as he did and that Solas himself would come to a similar conclusion and give them a similar opportunity for an improved existence.    However, it still hasn't deflected him from his purpose, which makes it worse in a way; at least before he didn't even admit that modern races might be real or have a value as people.   Now to a friend Inquisitor he admits that they "deserve" better but he intends going through with his plan anyway.

I wonder, though, if just his romance was added in, or if they changed other parts of his dialogue and friendship track. Because prior to the reveal he's not a polarizing character like Vivienne or Sera; he's either well liked or people are neutral on him, AFAIK. It would make more sense if he had originally been planned to be more overtly cunning or ruthless, but his in game incarnation to me screams stuffy professor, not trickster.

 

I've never understood this argument of being used by the writirs because they wanted to make Solas sympathetic. The entire point of writing is to get you to relate and find sympathy for the characters.

 

Literally every scene with every companion is written to get you to care about them. That's not being used, that's the entire reason to play the story.

I think because the writers felt that without the romance, many would find Solas too unsympathetic and easily paint him as a villain instead of an antagonist with shades of gray. They wanted to make him more nuanced, and his former incarnation didn't have enough sympathy to achieve this.

[Medhia_Nox]

@vbibbi: I dislike him and distrust him from the beginning, but it's not really based on his personality so much as on his views. 

 

His very first conversations can be about the Fade, Spirits and Magic and he basically uses you right there as a sounding board for whether or not he's going to lie and manipulate you (of course, for the simplicity sake of a cRPG - the character always ends up lying and manipulating the situation).

 

I would agree about your assessment.  As someone who would never romance him... to me, he is a black and white villain with no redeeming qualities, no nuance, no "grey".  I think for those who's opinions are clouded by the romance things become muddier.

[vbibbi]

@vbibbi: I dislike him and distrust him from the beginning, but it's not really based on his personality so much as on his views. 

 

His very first conversations can be about the Fade, Spirits and Magic and he basically uses you right there as a sounding board for whether or not he's going to lie and manipulate you (of course, for the simplicity sake of a cRPG - the character always ends up lying and manipulating the situation).

 

I would agree about your assessment.  As someone who would never romance him... to me, he is a black and white villain with no redeeming qualities, no nuance, no "grey".  I think for those who's opinions are clouded by the romance things become muddier.

Yes, I hadn't considered his initial conversation as testing the waters with the PC, but that does make sense. I do think it was strange, though, that someone who woke up to a world gone awry and is dead set on destroying 99% of the world population would have even considered befriending, let alone romancing, anyone who wasn't an awakened ancient elf. Sure, he could humor a Herald and want to learn how they had survived, and he needed allies until he could regain the orb/his power, but it should be a patronizing relationship that he doesn't take to heart.

 

Especially if, by the end of Trespasser, he still goes forward with his plan after having romanced a f!Lavellan. If he was willing to kill the woman he loved after having lived in the modern world for three years, why would he even have gotten involved with someone before his opinion of the modern world had changed?

[greenbrownblue]

I've never understood this argument of being used by the writirs because they wanted to make Solas sympathetic. The entire point of writing is to get you to relate and find sympathy for the characters.

 

Literally every scene with every companion is written to get you to care about them. That's not being used, that's the entire reason to play the story.

True! Would not be surprised if Solas was made more kind and likeable because eventually he became a romance option.

[German Soldier]

OH banters between Solas and Felassan are a guaranteed headache

[Abyss108]

 

I think because the writers felt that without the romance, many would find Solas too unsympathetic and easily paint him as a villain instead of an antagonist with shades of gray. They wanted to make him more nuanced, and his former incarnation didn't have enough sympathy to achieve this.

 

It doesn't make sense to lock the content behind a romance if it is required to make him sympathetic. Especially one that is only available to female Elves, with no warning that this is the case in game. It would also mean that a romanced Solas is a different character to a non-romanced Solas. He holds exactly the same views and takes the same actions whether you romance him or not, you get very minimal extra content out of the romance.

 

His former incarnated might have been less sympathetic, but that has nothing to do with the romance, that was just the first draft of his character, of course he changed since then. The people that find Solas sympathetic are not just the people who romance him.

 

And even if this wasn't true, it still doesn't make sense to be angry at the writers for adding extra content to the game to make a character sympathetic. They will have done that for every character and every romance that they didn't think was likeable enough. 

[Dai Grepher]

I'm just going to drop out of this conversation now. It's utterly pointless to argue with someone about actions in a book he hasn't read, but just keeps making incorrect assumptions about anyway.

 

Feel free to keep believing what Felassan/Solas did/didn't do, even though it's directly said otherwise in clear text. I'm not searching through the book to quote every relevant passage because you refuse to buy it yourself, but expect everyone else to explain what happened whilst you go "nope, nope, nope".

 

You just can't defend Solas' actions like you thought you could. Too bad.

 

When people ask me to explain something about the game, such as the issue with joint-rule between a Cousland and Anora, I quote the game exactly and explain things in detail. Don't blame me for asking questions and then asking more questions when people only respond with vagueness or piecemeal information. Just quote the damn book if you have it. You're making it more difficult than it needs to be.

 

And I'm not making assumptions, I'm asking what the book actually says. I never denied that Solas killed Felassan either. I'm just questioning his motives and thought process.

[vbibbi]

It doesn't make sense to lock the content behind a romance if it is required to make him sympathetic. Especially one that is only available to female Elves, with no warning that this is the case in game. It would also mean that a romanced Solas is a different character to a non-romanced Solas. He holds exactly the same views and takes the same actions whether you romance him or not, you get very minimal extra content out of the romance.

 

His former incarnated might have been less sympathetic, but that has nothing to do with the romance, that was just the first draft of his character, of course he changed since then. The people that find Solas sympathetic are not just the people who romance him.

 

And even if this wasn't true, it still doesn't make sense to be angry at the writers for adding extra content to the game to make a character sympathetic. They will have done that for every character and every romance that they didn't think was likeable enough. 

I agree that locking significant content behind a romance isn't great, which is what happened. It's subjective on how much the romance makes him sympathetic that the friendship path doesn't, but in my view, the romance is a significant factor in making him sympathetic. Unlike the similar relationship with Morrigan, we don't really see much of Solas as an individual apart from his like of the Fade and spirits on a friendship path. Morrigan, at least, we see as a young woman with a harsh upbringing who had interests other than magic. Solas...talks about the things he's seen in the Fade. Which, to be fair, is interesting, but it doesn't reveal any more about him as a person.

 

When we find out that he's Fen'Harel, I can't say it's totally surprising. It doesn't contradict anything else he's told us to date. It's more surprising that this mythical figure is real and alive in the present day, and less that our friend Solas is actually this figure. He's completely divorced from any grounding in the modern world.

[Dai Grepher]

My impression of Solas at this point is that he is just like a Fade spirit. He doesn't understand the real world. He doesn't understand how the beings "on the other side" can live like that. His actions in the real world make no logical sense. His plans are idiotic. His mindset is random and changing. He is confused by the Real. So he would rather have it end and have the world he understands return to him. Just like how spirits don't understand the unchanging world, and wonder why things in the Real do not react as they want.

 

I think his spirit nature is also why Cole seems to sympathize with him, despite the fact that his plan will hurt many people.

 

But Solas shouldn't be that difficult an opponent to outsmart. His nature makes him ignorant to the capabilities of those in the Real, and he's also forgetting about other Fade-savvy entities such as the old gods and the Forbidden Ones, who have likely been working toward tearing down the Veil longer than Solas has been. He might just be a chess piece for one of them. And of course Mythal is still out there.

[Abyss108]

You just can't defend Solas' actions like you thought you could. Too bad.

 

When people ask me to explain something about the game, such as the issue with joint-rule between a Cousland and Anora, I quote the game exactly and explain things in detail. Don't blame me for asking questions and then asking more questions when people only respond with vagueness or piecemeal information. Just quote the damn book if you have it. You're making it more difficult than it needs to be.

 

And I'm not making assumptions, I'm asking what the book actually says. I never denied that Solas killed Felassan either. I'm just questioning his motives and thought process.

 

I'd probably be more broken up about "failing to defend" Solas if I thought what he did was at all defendable, and not literally the worst thing anyone has ever done. 

 

Logical for Solas != Correct

 

I agree that locking significant content behind a romance isn't great, which is what happened. It's subjective on how much the romance makes him sympathetic that the friendship path doesn't, but in my view, the romance is a significant factor in making him sympathetic. Unlike the similar relationship with Morrigan, we don't really see much of Solas as an individual apart from his like of the Fade and spirits on a friendship path. Morrigan, at least, we see as a young woman with a harsh upbringing who had interests other than magic. Solas...talks about the things he's seen in the Fade. Which, to be fair, is interesting, but it doesn't reveal any more about him as a person.

 

When we find out that he's Fen'Harel, I can't say it's totally surprising. It doesn't contradict anything else he's told us to date. It's more surprising that this mythical figure is real and alive in the present day, and less that our friend Solas is actually this figure. He's completely divorced from any grounding in the modern world.

 

Eh, I disagree. There's much less content in the Solas romance than any other. Other than the Valaslin scene, every other romance scene is just a few lines added to the end. Everything that made me like Solas was also in content outside the romance.

[Dai Grepher]

As a massive Solas fangirl, who will defend him to quite literally the end of the world - this seems perfectly in character for Solas.

I'd probably be more broken up about "failing to defend" Solas if I thought what he did was at all defendable, and not literally the worst thing anyone has ever done.

Logical for Solas != Correct