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[Addictress]

I don't think Blackwall dies if a non-romanced Grey Warden. The ending screen in Trespasser just says that people see him wandering about doing good deeds and crafting toys.

[Duelist]

No-one has mentioned Bull yet?

[nightscrawl]

^ Yeah, he was mentioned in the fourth post in the thread...

[Andraste_Reborn]

I don't think Blackwall dies if a non-romanced Grey Warden. The ending screen in Trespasser just says that people see him wandering about doing good deeds and crafting toys.

 

He dies. Someone asked Sheryl Chee about the apparent discrepancy in epilogues on Twitter, and she responded:

 

Rainier always dies (or is lost forever somehow) several years after returning to the Wardens.

 

If romanced, his fellows send his personal effects on to you as a courtesy; you are the closest thing to family.

 

So all Warden Raniers die, but the Inquisitor only finds out about it if they were in a romance with him.

[Tech God]

My Warden Blackwall is alive in Trespasser? Unless he's just a ghost or someone impersonating him? 

[nightscrawl]

^ The above remarks about him dying are referring to the epilogue slide that plays at the end of Trespasser. So you have Warden Blackwall during Trespasser, then goes off to be with the Wardens permanently, and then dies later on.

[CoM Solaufein]

Depending on your choices in Inquisition, Bull can die in Trespasser.

[KaiserShep]

Depending on your choices in Inquisition, Bull can die in Trespasser.

 

 

I really like that this can happen, but it also provides more evidence that the Qunari fully support this rather than it being some rogue element, because if it was, Bull might not have been so ready to just up and help Vidasalla.

[Obliviousmiss]

Correct me if this assumption is WAY off..... but after I finished DAI, I felt like it was super warm-fuzzy and fan service for the bad taste in people's mouths for ME3.

 

That's why I think nobody can die..... 

 

but my opinion.

[nightscrawl]

^ But it's been pointed out that characters can die, so...

[Andraste_Reborn]

That's why I think nobody can die.....

 

But out of your inner circle of twelve, three people can die. Not to mention the protagonist of the previous game (or Loghain or Alistair, depending on circumstances.) Admittedly Cullen's potential death is only reported in the epilogue, but it's especially horrible to make up for it. It's not as high a proportion of potentially dead companions as DAO or DA2, but it isn't nobody, either.

 

(For comparison: DAO is the most bloodthirsty of the games, and lets you kill off every companion except Morrigan depending on your choices. However, the downside of this was that the developers realized that they wanted Oghren, Leliana and Sten back and so their deaths were all retconned. Same with Awakening, where Justice and Anders turn up alive no matter what you do. You can lose up to half of your DA2 companions - Aveline, Varric, Isabela, and Sebastian are unkillable, and while you can lose both Bethany and Carver you can only kill Fenris or Merrill, not both.)

[Obliviousmiss]

But out of your inner circle of twelve, three people can die. Not to mention the protagonist of the previous game (or Loghain or Alistair, depending on circumstances.) Admittedly Cullen's potential death is only reported in the epilogue, but it's especially horrible to make up for it. It's not as high a proportion of potentially dead companions as DAO or DA2, but it isn't nobody, either.

 

(For comparison: DAO is the most bloodthirsty of the games, and lets you kill off every companion except Morrigan depending on your choices. However, the downside of this was that the developers realized that they wanted Oghren, Leliana and Sten back and so their deaths were all retconned. Same with Awakening, where Justice and Anders turn up alive no matter what you do. You can lose up to half of your DA2 companions - Aveline, Varric, Isabela, and Sebastian are unkillable, and while you can lose both Bethany and Carver you can only kill Fenris or Merrill, not both.)

 

Based on the fact that only one (Blackwall) can die at the consequences of your choices in the core game, it doesn't feel real to me because I don't see it. Bull and Cullen are in Trespasser, not the core game. I think DAI is overly nice to your companions.  That's just me though. 

 

I stand corrected on the "nobody can die" post. But I still think the fluffy ending is fan service for bitter ME3 fans.  

[MaxQuartiroli]

Based on the fact that only one (Blackwall) can die at the consequences of your choices in the core game, it doesn't feel real to me because I don't see it. Bull and Cullen are in Trespasser, not the core game. I think DAI is overly nice to your companions.  That's just me though. 

 

I stand corrected on the "nobody can die" post. But I still think the fluffy ending is fan service for bitter ME3 fans.

 

This is probably just a reflection of the whole game being softer than the previous ones..

[AnimalBoy]

Just the way i play but no one has ever died or left me.

[dantares83]

Based on the fact that only one (Blackwall) can die at the consequences of your choices in the core game, it doesn't feel real to me because I don't see it. Bull and Cullen are in Trespasser, not the core game. I think DAI is overly nice to your companions.  That's just me though. 

 

I stand corrected on the "nobody can die" post. But I still think the fluffy ending is fan service for bitter ME3 fans.

 

yah, it seems that u cannot kill anyone of them (except blackwall but even in a very subtle way) because i think bioware learnt their 'mistake' and do not have to 'retcon' if they ever want to bring back any one of them

 

meaning blackwall and iron bull are most probably never gonna make an appearances and cullen too (but cullen is open to debate because no one confirm is him)

[nightscrawl]

^ Eh, they still could make an appearance, it would just be as a minor NPC cameo that can be swapped out with someone else. Don't forget, you could also not recruit both Blackwall and Iron Bull (and in fact, most everyone), so they would have had no connection with the Inquisition that way. It would end up being like Alistair/Loghain/Stroud.