230 réponses à ce sujet

[Al Foley]

Anyway, yet another valued "discussion" on BSN.

 

Not this one the other one. 

 

I am actually going to go back to my very first Suicide Mission save, where Thane and Legion were killed, and import that into ME3 instead of everyone surviving. That means no Rannoch peace, which is pretty big.

My "crafted" playthroughs aren't "perfect" playthroughs. They are just the ones I find most interesting. In your example, if I find Miranda's death more compelling than her living, I'd keep that.

Nice.  Ironically enough I forgot how to do the SM mission the 'right' way for my last playthrough through the three games the one that was the ultimate 'canon' because it was the first time I was actually playing all 3 games back to back because I was able to get it on the PS3 for the first time...anyways Igot Mordin killed.  Padok was imported into ME 3 as a result, quite interesting.  

 

And ironically enough though the fan fiction of ME 3 I wrote, well post ME 3, did the most 'interesting' but not my personal 'canon'.  So Miranda was dead in it.  Sort of.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Because Corypheus is better than the Archdemon

[Addictress]

If you can't handle a difference of opinion without resorting to swearing, then why bother posting?

Anyways the comparison is more Archdemon= Cory then Loghain=Cory. But Cory regardless, imo, I feel Cory was the better bad guy. Don't get me wrong they were both pretty bad antagonists but I give Cory the slight edge.

Are you saying this because you like Cory's visual design?

You do realize Corypheus is the most shallow, one-dimensional Michael-Bay-dumb villain ever?

[Dabrikishaw]

Here's how I scored all 3 Dragon Age games,

 

Dragon Age: Origins - 9/10

Dragon Age ][ - 6/10

Dragon Age: Inquisition - 8/10

 

The things that keeps Inquisition from being as good as, or even better, than Origins for me is the removal of detailed party tactics and the way mage-Templar recruitment played out in the story.

[Al Foley]

Are you saying this because you like Cory's visual design?

You do realize Corypheus is the most shallow, one-dimensional Michael-Bay-dumb villain ever?

No.  Although it was interesting.  Corypheus was a bit of a bad arse in the original IYHSB quest when he was kicking your arse, his reveal was epic as hell in DA 2: Legacy, a brilliant strategist, and he did have some depth in his motvations.  Sure not very much, but more so then Loghain.  At least how the two were portrayed in their video games.  

[Addictress]

Corypheus literally just swoops in with a Dragon, then we don't see him until the end of the game when he weakly checks out the eluvian, and then the final fight, which was easy. No character development, no option other than fighting him, no nuance. He's just a black and white blockbuster villain.

[Knight of Dane]

I enjoy voiced protagonists but I miss tactical settings.

 

For me Origins is still a better game, even disregarding nostalgia simply because it does everything Inqusition does on par or better, besides graphics.

 

About graphics and visual design; I am not impressed. The areas are okay but some of them are extremely boring, prime examples being Hissing Wastes and Emerald Graves. Regardless of beauty they are still dull and empty compared to Crestwood which is more compact and actually changes a tiny bith along the narrative.

 

Companion quests are about the same as in Origins and worse than DA2, but DA2 only did them better because we had a finite time to see them grow in.

 

Choices are lackluster in Inquisition. The only real choice is aid Mages or Templars and even that only comes down to a few references and war table quests.

[Knight of Dane]

Here's how I scored all 3 Dragon Age games,

 

Dragon Age: Origins - 9/10

Dragon Age ][ - 6/10

Dragon Age: Inquisition - 8/10

 

The things that keeps Inquisition from being as good as, or even better, than Origins for me is the removal of detailed party tactics and a minor thing regarding the story.

 

I give your comment -2/11. Using the ][ kills mabari puppies.

[Al Foley]

Corypheus literally just swoops in with a Dragon, then we don't see him until the end of the game when he weakly checks out the eluvian, and then the final fight, which was easy. No character development, no option other than fighting him, no nuance. He's just a black and white blockbuster villain.

Which is pretty much word for word what happened with Loghain.  Though I suppose the 'Women will always be little girls in pig tails' line did get the heart a fluttering. 

[Addictress]

No. Although it was interesting. Corypheus was a bit of a bad arse in the original IYHSB quest when he was kicking your arse, his reveal was epic as hell in DA 2: Legacy, a brilliant strategist, and he did have some depth in his motvations. Sure not very much, but more so then Loghain. At least how the two were portrayed in their video games.

I see, you're accounting for his presence in previous games. That's why. Inquisition alone, he appears very one-dimensional.

Loghain used to be a hero, and you can choose to save him. He becomes a grey warden, can even perform the dark ritual. He's the father of the queen and thus is involved in the world, connected to another major character. He is way more complex than Cory, sorry

[Guitar-Hero]

What? It wasn't. DAI is fine and that's its problem, its just okay and not anything else, like Ass Creed Syndicate.

[greenbrownblue]

The quests allow for more meaningful and various choices. Save Redcliffe or don't. Affects how you infiltrate the castle. Have everyone fight for the village, or don't. Keep everyone alive during the battle or fail. All result in something. Take over Floyd's tavern, or give it to Bella. Let the Redcliffe knights in to the courtyard to help fight the revenant or keep them out. Save Connor or don't. Sacrifice Isolde or don't.

 

Side with Harrowmont or Bhelen, or play both sides. Side with Caradin or Branka. Have Shale with you or not for extra storyline.

 

Save the Circle or annul it. Annulling it closes off options in Redcliffe.

 

Poison Andraste's ashes or don't. Consequences if you do.

 

You can also lose the Landsmeet. Can't lose against Corypheus.

 

Many other examples. Too many to post.

 

You have some choices in Inquisition, but they never amount to anything. There are no consequences.
 

I was pretty satisfied with action-consequence in DAI. 

1. Choosing Inquisitor's race affects the way you see the crossroads, affects court approval at the Winter Palace, affect the conversations more than in Origins.

2. Siding with mages vs siding with templars. It must have consumed a crazy amount of resources.

3. Ur decisions might cause companions to leave the Inquisiton.

4. Loved the Vir'Abelasan and the conseuquences of drinking from it. WOULD LOVE to play the Inquis again and see if Solas will use it against u, IIiIiiiiiiIIIIiII !
5. Hidden scene if you play Assquisitor - HILARIOUS! 

6. You get to chose who rules Orlais and who becomes the next DIVINE! Just wow.

7. Since we know that DAI was splt in two to cover the whole story, then I am sure that DA4 will carry more consequences from the previous games. With DAO it was like: you made a choice but you did not feel it impacting DA2 or DAI much :/ ... That is why I believe in keeping the same protagonist - you can actually feel long term consequences.

Ok... I know it's nothing. But there is one consequence that I really love... Every time I go to the Winter Palace I jump on furniters and on people's heads and watch my court approval drop :3 ... Love it...

[greenbrownblue]

DAI has a better antagonist and protagonist? Are you smoking spindleweed?????

Hof was boring.................. But Corypheus was not that interesting either. Hope Weekes brings some fresh air into DA4 ...

[Al Foley]

I see, you're accounting for his presence in previous games. That's why. Inquisition alone, he appears very one-dimensional.

Loghain used to be a hero, and you can choose to save him. He becomes a grey warden, can even perform the dark ritual. He's the father of the queen and thus is involved in the world, connected to another major character. He is way more complex than Cory, sorry

None of which I have experienced because I have not experienced it for myself.  Sure I recognize that Loghain might be the theoretical more complex Villain then Cory and I am open to changing my mind because I know there is a lot of cntent for him I have not experienced, but based on what I have experienced Cory> Loghain.  And don't get me wrong A. this is a razor thin edge I do not consider Cory to be an AMMMAAZZIIINNNG bad guy of amazing amazingness, he's just better then Loghain...which isn't hard.  And B. neither of the antags even come close to the Architect/ Arishok/ Meredith. 

[greenbrownblue]

IS THIS AN ONION JOKE?

Pardon, which part sounds like a jk to u?

[Al Foley]

Hof was boring.................. But Corypheus was not that interesting either. Hope Weekes brings some fresh air into DA4 ...

Coming up with compelling Villains is hard to do in Games.  Its a flaw in the genre.  BioWare has had a great track record in this regard though.  TIM, Saren, Arishok, Architect. 

[Al Foley]

To use my Tier system Loghain/ Cory would both be Tier 4 bad guys.  

[Abyss108]

Loghain is the most boring villain I've ever seen, with zero redeeming features. Cory isn't a great villain either, but at least he was entertaining.

[Addictress]

Pardon, which part sounds like a jk to u?

The war table which literally shouts "We ran out of resources to actually make all this game content which you could interactively play and had to scribble them down in dialogue boxes? That instead you read and click"

...

[Addictress]

Coming up with compelling Villains is hard to do in Games. Its a flaw in the genre. BioWare has had a great track record in this regard though. TIM, Saren, Arishok, Architect.

At least you agree TIM and Arishok were good. I'd say those are my faves, especially TIM

[Dabrikishaw]

I give your comment -2/11. Using the ][ kills mabari puppies.

I began using it after an old poster named EntropicAngel pointed it out. It's fun looking to me.

[Al Foley]

Loghain is the most boring villain I've ever seen, with zero redeeming features. Cory isn't a great villain either, but at least he was entertaining.

 

"Dumat, ancient ones, I beseech you! If you exist, if you have ever existed, aid me now!  ARGH!" 

At least you agree TIM and Arishok were good. I'd say those are my faves, especially TIM

That smooth talking cigarette smoking bad ass. 

[greenbrownblue]

Coming up with compelling Villains is hard to do in Games.  Its a flaw in the genre.  BioWare has had a great track record in this regard though.  TIM, Saren, Arishok, Architect. 

True........ That's why I can't wait for DA4. We already know who is gonna be the villain (perhaps not the main, but still) and it's gonna be awesome ^^ ! ! ! Especially if we play as the Inquisitor again or at least if we will be able to control Inquis in the final confrontation. Actually, originally,  in the epilogue we were supposed to control Solas and follow the calling (I think that of Mythal) to find Flemeth . 

[greenbrownblue]

Loghain is the most boring villain I've ever seen, with zero redeeming features. Cory isn't a great villain either, but at least he was entertaining.

Trueeeee! Wondering if poorly designed villains was one of the reason why Gaider had to leave Bioware... You gotta admit that Weekes did a better job.

[Al Foley]

True........ That's why I can't wait for DA4. We already know who is gonna be the villain (perhaps not the main, but still) and it's gonna be awesome ^^ ! ! ! Especially if we play as the Inquisitor again or at least if we will be able to control Inquis in the final confrontation. Actually, originally,  in the epilogue we were supposed to control Solas and follow the calling (I think that of Mythal) to find Flemeth . 

I know and it could theoretically be awesome but BWs track record when it comes to exactly this is not exactly strong.  They tried this with TIM, and while TIM was amazing as a grey character in ME 2 he was botched up as a villain in 3, a bit...and god who was the other one where something like this happened?  I know its happened...oh yeah Cory himself.  Cory was UNFRIGGIN BELIEVABLE in Legacy.  He was bad arse, smart, suave, had lore implications out the nose, and then in DA I he was...reduced...to...THAT.  (disgusted noise).