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[Dai Grepher]

That is just plain...false.  False, false, false.  Its not factual.  And sure you can 'lose' the landsmeet...I guess...but does that still not result in Ali, or your choice, of monarch being monarch and a final confrontation between you and the Archdemon, which you will always defeat.  Sure you have the option to defeat it in several different ways but from that point of view Origins ending is just as narrow as Inquisition's.  You always win.  

 

It results in a hollow victory, compared to an epic win. There is variation. You can win, but still come out way behind. In Inquisition, and especially Trespasser, you are hated no matter what, and nothing you did mattered to anyone.
 

[AlanC9]

I don't know I have a tough time quantifying *which* playthroughs end up being my canon because the more playthroughs you do the more you can 'craft' the story.  Or the choices and consequences you can make in the game.  IE making sure you can save the Wardens, IE saving everyone for the SM.  But the 'ideal' 'crafted' story is not always the most interesting.  My first Pt of ME 3 I got Miranda killed off which was interesting, did not happen in any others.  In my second of DA I I was forced to attack the Wardens because no Blackwall/ Nobility knoweldge.

The way I get around this is that my canon's whatever I did first.

[Dai Grepher]

You can't "lose" the Landsmeet. At worst, you brute-force a victory after failing to achieve it through legitimate support. Those who didn't previously support you will fall in line regardless. 

 

Trying to compare that to losing to Coryhpeus is dishonest anyway. That would only be equivalent to failing to kill the Archdemon, and that certainly is not possible. 

 

No, you can lose the actual Landsmeet. The problem is that one side will not back down and accept the Landsmeet's result. The duel is held to make one side stand down.

 

But you can lose against the Archdemon. It's called the Ultimate Sacrifice ending.
 

[CronoDragoon]

No, you can lose the actual Landsmeet. The problem is that one side will not back down and accept the Landsmeet's result. The duel is held to make one side stand down.
 
But you can lose against the Archdemon. It's called the Ultimate Sacrifice ending.

That isn't losing, either. That's how Wardens kill Archdemons and end Blights.

[greenbrownblue]

I know and it could theoretically be awesome but BWs track record when it comes to exactly this is not exactly strong.  They tried this with TIM, and while TIM was amazing as a grey character in ME 2 he was botched up as a villain in 3, a bit...and god who was the other one where something like this happened?  I know its happened...oh yeah Cory himself.  Cory was UNFRIGGIN BELIEVABLE in Legacy.  He was bad arse, smart, suave, had lore implications out the nose, and then in DA I he was...reduced...to...THAT.  (disgusted noise).  

Yeah. But ME3 ending was generally bad. Wish there was an option to convince the Illusive Man to chill out (like in the Trespasser DLC : choosing to convince SOlas to change his mind).

[Al Foley]

It results in a hollow victory, compared to an epic win. There is variation. You can win, but still come out way behind. In Inquisition, and especially Trespasser, you are hated no matter what, and nothing you did mattered to anyone.
 

Again this is false...I mean I know sometimes I take things as gospel and blur the lines between opinion and fact sometimes, but this is just...I don't see how this is any which way factual.  The ending to Inquisition had a lot of variation based on what you did throughout the game.  Sure Cory could have been defeated but, just two instances off the top of my head, Orlais could be facing another Civil War/ Stable, and the Wardens could either be exiled or still a part of the South.  Elements in the game which have huge reprocussions for the future. 

 

No, you can lose the actual Landsmeet. The problem is that one side will not back down and accept the Landsmeet's result. The duel is held to make one side stand down.

 

But you can lose against the Archdemon. It's called the Ultimate Sacrifice ending.
 

...you still win you kill the Archdemon and everyone else goes on happy. 

[Al Foley]

Yeah. But ME3 ending was generally bad. Wish there was an option to convince the Illusive Man to chill out (like in the Trespasser DLC : choosing to convince SOlas to change his mind).

We didn't convince Solas of anything, we vowed to try and change his mind.  And the ending to ME 3, bad or not, is not what I am talking about.  TIM was still a cool character and cool bad guy in ME 3, but he was no where near what he was in 2. 

[The Baconer]

No, you can lose the actual Landsmeet. The problem is that one side will not back down and accept the Landsmeet's result. The duel is held to make one side stand down.

 

The duel is held regardless, but "losing" will cause a larger melee to erupt beforehand. You can't really "lose" in a way that yields actual consequences. 

 

 

But you can lose against the Archdemon. It's called the Ultimate Sacrifice ending.

 

Good lord, I should have expected nothing less. 

[Al Foley]

The duel is held regardless, but "losing" will cause a larger melee to erupt beforehand. You can't really "lose" in a way that yields actual consequences. 

 

 

 

Good lord, I should have expected nothing less. 

[Dabrikishaw]

I think there's some confusion over what "losing the Landsmeet" means. To Dai Grepher, it's just the result of a choice he made. To the rest of us, we can't actually lose no matter what we do.

[Tidus]

My ratings

 

DA:O Great overall but,the story line was weak in some areas. I give it a 8/10

 

DA:2.Not much I can say about this game.. I just don't care for it and being generous I give it a 2/10.

 

DA:I Great overall but,the story line is weak/misleading in some areas.I love the scenery and the fun quest but,the game could use better answers on the wheel.   The romance could be better and a tad easier.. I give it a 7/10.

 

If B-W wants to use the Gay love options then it should be bisexual.. Sera was a complete waste.. Been better if she was bisexual instead of straight gay like they did in DA:O. Romancing Josephine wasn't all that great.

 

If you lose the Landsmeet in DA:O you get to see what type of person Loghain really is. That's why I kill him.  Also,I don't sacrifice my warden or Alistair. I kill baddies not the good guys...

[Minticus Maximus]

Good/evil is Origins' bread-and-butter. Sure, you had some morally gray quandaries to solve in advancing the main story (of course, the same stuff exists in Inquisition, and more of it), but Loghain's cartoon villainy and the orc invasion are pretty clear-cut. 

And you think Cory WASN'T a Cartoon villain?!?!? Loghain had deep flaws, but relatable. He was ****** terrified of an Orlaisian occupation, something that we learn was quite possible with the knights coming over from Orlais to fight the Blight. And from what we hear, Fereldan was ****** terrible when they ruled it.

[Al Foley]

And you think Cory WASN'T a Cartoon villain?!?!? Loghain had deep flaws, but relatable. He was ****** terrified of an Orlaisian occupation, something that we learn was quite possible with the knights coming over from Orlais to fight the Blight. And from what we hear, Fereldan was ****** terrible when they ruled it.

That didn't make him relatable.  It made him a fool.  

[AlanC9]

The war table which literally shouts "We ran out of resources to actually make all this game content which you could interactively play and had to scribble them down in dialogue boxes? That instead you read and click"
...

I remember the same silly argument about ME3.

[AlanC9]

That didn't make him relatable.  It made him a fool.

I've heard that the books make his attitude more explainable. Whenever he jumps to the conclusion, despite all evidence, that something is an Orlesian plot, it turns out that he's right and it really is an Orlesian plot.

[Al Foley]

I've heard that the books make his attitude more explainable. Whenever he jumps to the conclusion, despite all evidence, that something is an Orlesian plot, it turns out that he's right and it really is an Orlesian plot.

Which since I have not read the book. 

 

Its the same thing with Jack people keep claiming she is an amazing character but since none of my Sheps get along with her I don't see the amazingness. 

[Minticus Maximus]

That didn't make him relatable.  It made him a fool.  

It makes him human. It shows he has fears. The dark side of human emotion is superstition. He believed he was right, and many people you meet would agree with him. He would have protected his country even if he needed to make massive sacrifices. He was both right and wrong.

 

Also Al, I want to mention something you mentioned. You said that you loved Inquisition because it picked you up when you were at your lowest, correct? I'm the opposite. I was in a bad place and I wanted some escapism, the same I got from Origins. And when I got Inquisition, it crushed me emotionally. That's probably why I'll never accept why people like this more the Origins

[Dai Grepher]

That isn't losing, either. That's how Wardens kill Archdemons and end Blights.

 

You don't consider having your soul obliterated as losing?
 

[AresKeith]

 
Which is also the case for crystal clear water. This analogy is not really working, honestly.


He didn't say Cory > Loghain. He said DAI's antagonists > DAO's antagonists. So Cory + Solas > Archdemon + Loghain. Something I agree with as well.

 

Cory + Solas + Calpernia > Archdemon + Loghain

[Dai Grepher]

Again this is false...I mean I know sometimes I take things as gospel and blur the lines between opinion and fact sometimes, but this is just...I don't see how this is any which way factual.  The ending to Inquisition had a lot of variation based on what you did throughout the game.  Sure Cory could have been defeated but, just two instances off the top of my head, Orlais could be facing another Civil War/ Stable, and the Wardens could either be exiled or still a part of the South.  Elements in the game which have huge reprocussions for the future. 

 

...you still win you kill the Archdemon and everyone else goes on happy. 

 

In the future... until Trespasser when it doesn't matter.

 

And whether the Wardens are exiled or not, they go back to Weisshaupt for their mysterious whatever plot.

 

You can kill the Archdemon, but you could be anything between obliterated or King of Ferelden. You could be the father to a reborn old god.

[CronoDragoon]

You don't consider having your soul obliterated as losing?

 
 I mean, if I was a selfish ****** who only cared about myself, maybe. But then a selfish ****** Warden isn't choosing the US, anyway.

Cory + Solas + Calpernia > Archdemon + Loghain

True. Calpernia was great. Someone who actually switched sides without shooting themselves in the head two seconds after.

[Dai Grepher]

The duel is held regardless, but "losing" will cause a larger melee to erupt beforehand. You can't really "lose" in a way that yields actual consequences. 

 

Good lord, I should have expected nothing less. 

 

The consequence is that you lost against Loghain. He outsmarted your character.

 

Nothing less than to be refuted with facts, logic, and my stunning brilliance? Of course!
 

[TK514]

I prefer DA:O, mainly on the basis that it introduced us to an interesting world with a lot of ideals to consider, and I feel DA:I did not deliver an appropriate continuation or resolution to many of them.

 

Yes, I'm looking at you, Freedom vs Security.

[myahele]

I'd say that Origin's  is significantly better. There's a "3rd option" if you play your cards right and there are immediate consequences to your actions.

 

What I enjoyed the most in Inquisition was the interactions between the characters outside of just party banter

[Dai Grepher]

I think there's some confusion over what "losing the Landsmeet" means. To Dai Grepher, it's just the result of a choice he made. To the rest of us, we can't actually lose no matter what we do.

 

No, to me it's a matter of objective fact. If you didn't put the work in to get the nobles on your side and didn't make the right arguments, then you will lose to Loghain. Fact.

 

Compare this to Trespasser, where you can't win no matter what you do.