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[Ticondurus]

So I'm just starting a new playthrough.  I've done a couple as Paragon mostly.  Started one as Renegade but only 1/3 through 2 with her.

 

Question: is Renegade "stupid evil" in most of the series? I keep reading that, especially in ME3, you come off as an "evil" character - which is what I would NOT want.  The Renegade interrupts seem a lot more fun, but, I'm not sure on Renegade choices.  I like a tough character, but not a racist and cold-hearted killer.

 

Just wondering how people feel about a mostly Paragon vs mostly Renegade Shep through 1-3.  

 

Also: is there any reason for me to NOT do a playthrough now and wait? I know ME4 coming at end of the year.

[themikefest]

For me renegade is the best. A few of the renegade interrupts aren't bad For me, ME3 needed a lot more renegade interrupts

 

Its up to you. You could try watching youtube to see a renegade playthrough vs a paragon playthrough to see which one would interest you. Or do both. Play as a renegade, then do another playthrough as a paragon.

 

I've done a renegade playthrough having everyone that can survive, survive. I've done a paragon playthrough having most of the characters killed. It all depends on the choices you make.

[Mlady]

I played a Paragon and because in real life I'm like that, I enjoyed it, but I wanted something a bit different, so I did some Renegade options too with my new Shepard and the mix gives her a nicely balanced personality (Paragade). Going all one way can make them seem programmed sometimes I found. 

[Barquiel]

I just can't bring myself to play as a pure renegade. Sure, some interrupts are funny (Headbutting Gatatog Uvenk or punching han'gerrel for example)...and some renegade decisions are completely justifiable and there's nothing wrong with being calculating or even ruthless and being effective, but too many of the choices are either too racist, unnecessarily cruel or too raging douche for me to get behind.

[ArcadiaGrey]

You don't have to be an all out renegade, you can make every dialogue choice individually to shape your own Shepard.

 

My canon is rene-gon, so she's super nice to the crew, squad and is a good person, not racist at all and judges everyone by their deeds, not their species.

But she is rude to the council as she hates the red tape and their attitude, and is ruthless with bad guys.  She'll also make tough decisions for the good of the galaxy, like not curing the genophage.  However she saves the council because she thinks having a human led council is a horrifying prospect as she doesn't think humanity has been in the galaxy long enough to rule it.

The best way to show her personality is the renegade ending to Tali's treason trial.  That's a perfect rene-gon right there, backing up her squad mate and letting the Quarians know they're idiots, but not being super mean.

 

I'm in ME3 right now with my pure renegade and I wouldn't recommend it.  He's nowhere near as 'evil' as he was, in fact the ME3 renegade Shep is just grumpy really.   In my opinion anyway.

 

So make a rene-gon and you'll have a great time!

You just need a role-playing reason for the choices you make.  For example my paragon hated the Krogan after what Wrex did on Virmire, so was anti-Krogan in ME2 (leaving Grunt in the tank) and ME3 (not curing the genophage). He was still a good guy tho.

 

And no, ME:A is a new game that has a clean slate so there's no reason to wait. 

[Cyberstrike nTo]

So I'm just starting a new playthrough.  I've done a couple as Paragon mostly.  Started one as Renegade but only 1/3 through 2 with her.

 

Question: is Renegade "stupid evil" in most of the series? I keep reading that, especially in ME3, you come off as an "evil" character - which is what I would NOT want.  The Renegade interrupts seem a lot more fun, but, I'm not sure on Renegade choices.  I like a tough character, but not a racist and cold-hearted killer.

 

Just wondering how people feel about a mostly Paragon vs mostly Renegade Shep through 1-3.  

 

Also: is there any reason for me to NOT do a playthrough now and wait? I know ME4 coming at end of the year.

 

I prefer a 75% paragon with 25% renegade.

 

Being 100% either is damn near unbearable to me. IMHO a 100% Paragon Shepard is saint who should monk or nun who be in  a church, and a 100% Renegade Shepard is mass murdering sociopath who should be in prison.   

[Mlady]

I prefer a 75% paragon with 25% renegade.

 

Being 100% either is damn near unbearable to me. IMHO a 100% Paragon Shepard is saint who should monk or nun who be in  a church, and a 100% Renegade Shepard is mass murdering sociopath who should be in prison.   

 

I think the best and most amusing way to end a full insane Renegade playthrough is make them choose Control lol bye-bye galaxy! 

[Ticondurus]

Yeah as I said I want to be tough but not an a-hole or a racist.  Or I guess I could be a Paragon but do all the Renegade interrupts

 

Do you encounter issues if you do a mix of both - like missing out on things due to lack of Paragon/Renegade points?

[Mlady]

Yeah as I said I want to be tough but not an a-hole or a racist.  Or I guess I could be a Paragon but do all the Renegade interrupts

 

Do you encounter issues if you do a mix of both - like missing out on things due to lack of Paragon/Renegade points?

 

I found if you have enough from an imported save, you can have some fun, and I learned to not take all the Paragon/Renegade interrupts and found I was missing interesting dialogue that fleshed out the characters more. For example, I stopped interrupting Mordin and his attempt to talk slow was hilarious and on the ship when he's trying to figure out the swarms, my Shepard just stood there, arms crossed and you can imagine him/her counting to 10 in their head as they wait for him to stop talking LOL

[obbie31]

I think paragon with certain renegade options are the best. Some renegade options just make more sense and are flat out better. The quarian/geth peace renegade speech is faarr better than paragon for instance. As someone mentioned, I am nice to squadmates, and generally have a positive attitude to most, but am not as nice to the council, Udina, or generally obnoxious characters.

 

But generally I prefer most paragon choices like saving the queen, helping Wrex in ME3, or turning Garrus to paragon. Also, Paragon choice is way better for the end of ME2 feels more suitable. Renegade option just looks off to me. Escaping from the base and having it still standing behind you doesn't look or feel right. Plus, pissing The Illusive Man off and telling him off is way more satisfying.

 

On a side note, I cannot for the life of me stand femshep as a renegade in most lines. She sounds awful. But she sounds great as a paragon. Broshep sounds great as a renegade in many respects.

[Mlady]

I think paragon with certain renegade options are the best. Some renegade options just make more sense and are flat out better. The quarian/geth peace renegade speech is faarr better than paragon for instance. As someone mentioned, I am nice to squadmates, and generally have a positive attitude to most, but am not as nice to the council, Udina, or generally obnoxious characters.

 

But generally I prefer most paragon choices like saving the queen, helping Wrex in ME3, or turning Garrus to paragon. Also, Paragon choice is way better for the end of ME2 feels more suitable. Renegade option just looks off to me. Escaping from the base and having it still standing behind you doesn't look or feel right. Plus, pissing The Illusive Man off and telling him off is way more satisfying.

 

I just played through ME1 last night and my mostly Paragon Shepard and the Turian Councilor had issues. She even told him to go to hell lol but she still saved him at the end. Watching the Asari Councilor try to mediate them was hilarious! And I love blowing up the base and telling TIM off.

[themikefest]

Try a playthough ignoring the interrupts and not choosing the paragon or renegade dialogue on the left.  Its worth doing for some of the dialogue and scenes for playing that way.

[JJ Likeaprayer]

Paragon always,if I have to do 100 playthroughs,I'll always choose Paragon. It's....a test,of what you have learned from reality. As simple as choose from good or evil,grown or childish,reasonable or hotheaded,friendly or tyrant...too simple.

[Ticondurus]

Yeah I just have a hard time going renegade, not sure why.  i guess it's just not me.  Although I always punch the reporter and push the guy out the window.  Honestly, the Paragon interrupts just aren't jazzy enough.  Although, I think there was one good one in the Overlord DLC.

 

And I dont think I could ever side with Cerberus even if I was Renegade, or keep the Collector base.

[aoibhealfae]

True Paragon and true Renegade did fair amount of stupid and self-sabotaging things that was painful to watch.

 

Normally, I like to play as mixed-neutral alignment for my CanonShep. She's a complex unpredictable character who can be calculating, ruthless and diplomatic at times. Sometimes I don't even bother with interrupts. 

[Atomkick]

Mostly paragon but renegade sometimes depending on the situation. For example going full renegade in Omega DLC just to get Aria's kiss.

[Kynare]

I made a post about this before and posted it here with slight edits.

 

If you ask me? (Spoilers ahead.)

 

Spoiler

Many of the details during ME3 leaned towards the Paragon path. Giving the Collector base to Cerberus was pointless, because TIM will go against you and you'll rejoin the Alliance either way. Killing the Rachni Queen was pointless, because she comes back as some artificial clone. Selling Legion to Cerberus was pointless, because he's rebuilt as a new AI (and, again, you don't get to stay with Cerberus to reap the benefits.)

My main and preferred playthrough was full Paragon. Perhaps the complaints of Paragon Shepard being some weenie are justified, but it fit the atmosphere and it helped transition to the third game much better. Even when you did something magnificent like killed a Reaper, Paragon Shepard would give it a sense of "vulnerability" and mortality, especially when they whinged about it later on. Additionally, auto-dialogue such as "you're a hell of a soldier" made sense coming from a Paragon Shepard, because they were always loyal to the Alliance even during ME2 and a soldier at heart. It was only during ME2 that I felt choosing Paragon had more repercussions, and where Shepard sounded straight-up hypocritical and overly-idealistic. Never felt that way in the first or third game, but I do think BW should have added more realistic consequences for being "too" nice.

I've always felt that going full Renegade usually ends in more dissatisfying results. His/her speeches suggest a sense of invincibility, and s/he can even deny ever feeling scared or unsure. Then the ending comes along and boom. Your hardcore monologues are now irrelevant. Whereas for full Paragon, it simply validated everything they expressed concerns about up to that point.

 

But this is in reference to a full Paragon and Renegade playthrough, which I've done both. You can never go wrong with mixing it up.

[ArcadiaGrey]

I'm surprised that so many people don't like trying out different kind of characters.  It's one of the best features of a BioWare game for me, to replay and be someone else and see how their choices play out, good or bad.

 

I have Sheps that encompass all routes, paragon, paragade, renegon and renegade, and I enjoyed seeing each of their stories play out.  I didn't personally agree with some of their decisions but this isn't real life, it's not reflection on me after all.  If I played paragon every time I think I'd lose my mind, and I'd miss so many dialogue options and pieces of voice acting.  I think it's a real shame that there are some players who've played the trilogy many times over and yet have missed out on a huge chunk of the content. 

 

Still, it's your game, your hobby and your spare time.  Do what makes you happy.  Playing a character that doesn't feel right to you is no fun at all.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Yeah as I said I want to be tough but not an a-hole or a racist.  Or I guess I could be a Paragon but do all the Renegade interrupts

 

Do you encounter issues if you do a mix of both - like missing out on things due to lack of Paragon/Renegade points?

 

For me: not really.  

 

Some situations I feel the renegade interrupts are better like punching the quarian admiral who ordered the destruction of the geth dreadnaught or pushing the Eclipse merc out of the window in ME2 because if I really wanted to punch him because I thought his actions were wrong and he almost got Shepard, Liara, and Tali killed. Shoving the merc out the window he wouldn't talk, and a shooting him could have alerted a whole floor of more mercs.

 

In some cases like with the reporter the one you can tell off twice or punch doing a mix (punch her once and tell her off once) leads to a very awkward exchange in ME3 that doesn't make her or Shepard look good IMHO. So I would recommend either tell her off twice or punch her twice is the best way to go.     

[Quarian Master Race]

Renegade, mostly by default as a majority of "Paragon" actions end up being childishly stupid, whiny or even outright evil in some cases. I'm not about supporting the rule of racist Council oligarchs, krogan dictators, or the genocide campaigns of violent, vicious terminator robots. Blowing up useful technology because "I won't let fear comprimise who I am" is another example of painful stupidity.

I'm amicable toward people like squadmates or NPCs (provided they haven't given me a reason not to be) but since a huge amount of points come from the big actions, my Shepards generally end up anywhere from 60/40 Renegade up to 80/20. Any more than that and Renegade becomes almost as much of a (wo)man child as the typical Paragon shill.

There are some Renegade actions I never take as well, though. Most of the pro human racist dialouge (exceptions for the funny, sarcastic ones like when dealing with those two pretentious asari on the Citadel in ME2), picking Morinth  (though Samara is nearly as cuckoo so I rarely do this mission anyway), Encouraging Jack to murder people, pushing the Eclipse Merc who could give me some intel out of a window like some wannabe badass, punching Han'Gerrel (utterly childish temper tantrum over nothing, and should result in basically losing the Reaper War for lack of fleets).

[Mlady]

Renegade, mostly by default as a majority of "Paragon" actions end up being childishly stupid, whiny or even outright evil in some cases. I'm not about supporting the rule of racist Council oligarchs, krogan dictators, or the genocide campaigns of violent, vicious terminator robots. Blowing up useful technology because "I won't let fear comprimise who I am" is another example of painful stupidity.

I'm amicable toward people like squadmates or NPCs (provided they haven't given me a reason not to be) but since a huge amount of points come from the big actions, my Shepards generally end up anywhere from 60/40 Renegade up to 80/20. Any more than that and Renegade becomes almost as much of a (wo)man child as the typical Paragon shill.

There are some Renegade actions I never take as well, though. Most of the pro human racist dialouge (exceptions for the funny, sarcastic ones like when dealing with those two pretentious asari on the Citadel in ME2), picking Morinth  (though Samara is nearly as cuckoo so I rarely do this mission anyway), Encouraging Jack to murder people, pushing the Eclipse Merc who could give me some intel out of a window like some wannabe badass, punching Han'Gerrel (utterly childish temper tantrum over nothing, and should result in basically losing the Reaper War for lack of fleets).

 

I'm amazed that sometimes a Paragon option is worse than a Renegade option, like when Thane and Shepard are doing the good cop/bad cop thing. You can punch Kelham and still be a Paragon, but the Spectre Renegade option is the cleanest way to deal with it without beating the guy senseless.

[Ticondurus]

I havent played the series through in a while (since I finished ME3 when it first came out so like 3 years.)  To re-experience the games again, I think I'll go Paragon-ish.  Then, once I've played thru it I'll go back and do Renegade.  I think that works for me since i've forgotten a bit, especially in me3. 

[TheN7Penguin]

Which is more satisfying?

 

Enough said.

[MichaelN7]

So I'm just starting a new playthrough.  I've done a couple as Paragon mostly.  Started one as Renegade but only 1/3 through 2 with her.

 

Question: is Renegade "stupid evil" in most of the series? I keep reading that, especially in ME3, you come off as an "evil" character - which is what I would NOT want.  The Renegade interrupts seem a lot more fun, but, I'm not sure on Renegade choices.  I like a tough character, but not a racist and cold-hearted killer.

 

Just wondering how people feel about a mostly Paragon vs mostly Renegade Shep through 1-3.  

 

Also: is there any reason for me to NOT do a playthrough now and wait? I know ME4 coming at end of the year.

 

Not all Renegade interrupts are "evil" (some certainly are), and same goes for some Renegade conversation options.

I'm a Paragon, but some of the Renegade options fit better.

I do the Renegade interrupt where you shove the merc out the window in ME2, because at that point it's a *You know who I am, you know what I'm here for, and I've given you two chances to save your own life.  No?  Okay then,* "GOODBYE."

 

Telling the Council in ME3: "Too bad it took this to get you on board" makes a lot more sense than "You don't owe me anything, Councilor.", since they've been giving me crap for all this time, and I still came back to save their skins from Cerberus scum.

 

The Renegade interrupt of punching Admiral Gerrel for such a foolhardy-bloodthirsty (fool-thirsty?) move on the Geth Dreadnought... He had it coming.  He was cool back in ME2, when Tali was put on trial, but now he's become a jerk.  Understandable as it is, you don't go jeopardizing the safety of your own Admiral (Tali) and the best chance you have at stopping the Reapers (Shepard) for a quick win in a single battle.

 

The Renegade interrupt for Kai Leng is very satisfying.

Don't get me wrong, the non-interrupt is cool too. (Can you say: LIGHTNING REFLEXES?), I mean, being able to dodge like *that* is very impressive.

Not as impressive as *SMASHING* a MONO-MOLECULAR BLADE by punching it, but still cool.

 

Also, it's the Renegade response that can save Kelly Chambers from being executed in cold blood.

The Paragon compliments her red hair, but the Renegade urges her to change her appearance/I.D./etc., which saves her life later.

 

If the Renegade interrupt involves shooting someone who is CLEARLY a bad guy, I go for it.

If it involves endangering a civilian, I do NOT go for it. (Tela Vasir holding the waitress hostage, I never gun her down, Liara throwing a table at Vasir is much funnier anyway)

I like Paragon because they're more willing to take a stand against evil.  As corny as that may sound, I find that to be much more satisfying than a Renegade, since I'm trying to SAVE the galaxy.  If I resort to such Renegade notions as "we have to destroy this village to save it!", then I'd be better off just letting the Reapers do their thing.

 

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In all honesty, you have to either save-scum (guilty) or have played the trilogy a few times (also guilty) to know what's what and when.

A good rule of thumb is to consider your stance on "morally ambiguous".

A Paragon Shepard is more likely to speak out against such things, and is much more likely to get angry over an injustice or a crime.  They'll also be compassionate to others.

A Renegade Shepard is more likely to be lax regarding evil things, or at least indifferent to the suffering of others.  To a Renegade, your crew are tools to be used and discarded if necessary.

Granted, your Shepard won't be like that right from the start, but they develop over time.

 

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My thoughts as a whole on Paragon/Renegade is "long term" VS "short term"

A Renegade doesn't take crap from anybody, and is just as quick to put them down with a quip as they are with a gun.

A Renegade doesn't have "friends", they have "resources".

They're the one that dooms two species to die for mistakes that happened centuries ago.

A Renegade abandons those who could have been close friends for a momentary advantage, and in the end, a Renegade loses much more than a Paragon.

For all your efforts, you can do more harm than the Reapers ever did.

Worse still, your actions are more-or-less the very thing the Reapers seek to "cure".

So in a way, it's all your fault.

 

A Paragon is initially dismissed as "weak" and has a harder time getting along with the Krogan and some Turians and Humans, but in the end a Paragon enables the Krogan to not only survive but THRIVE in peace.  A Paragon is much more inclined to saving both the Quarian AND Geth, as well as getting them to make nice.

(A Renegade can pull it off too, but many of the prerequisite decisions require Paragon leanings.)

A Paragon sees the value in other people, and that species don't need to be divided against each other.

They're the ones who refuse to compromise on principles because they recognize that the principles are the foundation for anything worth keeping and preserving.

A Paragon proves time and again just how wrong the Reapers are, because not only are you defying them conventionally, you're also proving their whole M.O. to be flawed from the start.

 

So while the Renegade ends up losing in very way that counts, the Paragon wins in every way that matters.

[UpUpAway95]

I generally find it most satisfying to play as a mix now, although he tends to lean more consistently towards being a paragon.  When I first played ME2, I was basically afraid to deviate from a single paragon or renegade path; and it does get a little tricky to play a mixed character and still preserve enough options to keep everyone loyal (or at least enough people loyal that no one dies in the end).  It can be done though it is helpful to use the morality guide and realize that not all obvious paragon/renegade interrupts or charm/intimidate dialogue options award points.  When no points are actually on the line, that is my cue to take whatever action I think suits my overall character profile at that time.

 

Since most actions just award reputation points in ME3, you're really much more free to make individual choices in the moment based on whatever profile you've developed for your Shepard to that point.  My Shepard has gotten tired of trying to get everyone to believe him and then trying to get everyone to work together when everyone seems so wrapped up in their own petty issues.  He's tired of his crews questioning everything he does (particularly cojent if he opted to save the collector base in ME2 and then spoke with his crew after the fact).  It just seems fitting to allow the stress of everything to show and be grumpy and time his squadmates realized that he's only human too.

 

One of the best playthroughs I've had was one where he romanced Ashley in ME1 and flung himself into Miranda's arms after Ashley rejected him on Horizon.  Not revealing just how... Ashley and Miranda were both killed in ME3 and I have to agree that the most satisfying Renegade interrupt in the whole trilogy is sticking it to Kai Leng, regardless of whether I've played more paragon or more renegade to that point.  Of course, he only realized just how much Liara and Tali cared for him just moments before marching off into the final battle... classic story of love overlooked.