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[Obliviousmiss]

There is a downside to QEC contact, though I'm not sure Bio would care. This would be toxic to some headcanon. Particularly bad for Control, since now Shepard, or rather the Sheplyst, would now be a Bio-controlled character. Bio always gets grief when PCs don't do what the players thought they would do in a sequel It would also finally finish off IT.

 

That's why I thought the millions of lightyears of travel would put a damper on finding out what was happening in the milky way. The milky way may not be there anymore. 

[Nitrocuban]

Quantum thingies are all broken after the jump through the superstargate, no talkie talkie to milkyway.

End of story.

STAR GATE MASS EFFECT ANDROMEDA

[Spectr61]

Ark leaves before ME3 ends.

During that ending, "shoot the brat" is chosen.

Our cycle in the MW ends, but the next cycle finds Liara's Beacons, learns how to defeat the Reapers in their cycle, and does so.

We find out in Andromeda via QEC, and return to MW.

Reaper's defeated, MW repopulated with the races from our cycle.

Sheppard and crew ascend to immortality and godhood.

The "grandpa and child" scene from the end of ME3 plays.....

[shepskisaac]

There is a downside to QEC contact, though I'm not sure Bio would care. This would be toxic to some headcanon. Particularly bad for Control, since now Shepard, or rather the Sheplyst, would now be a Bio-controlled character. Bio always gets grief when PCs don't do what the players thought they would do in a sequel It would also finally finish off IT.

They can always pull "I'm sorry Pathfinder, Shepalyst is too busy with important business, Asari Councilor will speak to you instead"

[Malanek]

Assuming they traveled on a construction of their own, I don't think you can allow any communication if you want to keep the galaxies separate. You have some issues with the Khet? "Oh hey God-Shep, we have some problems, here is the secret to intergalactic travel, can you come save us?"

 

"No worries bro, be there soon."

 

The fact that synthesis or control futures could pass super advanced technology back, even if they couldn't travel, would make real problems if one looked at the story with an real care.

 

The other question about QEC's is why the arkship simply doesn't turn back and head home once the reaper threat is finished.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Assuming they traveled on a construction of their own, I don't think you can allow any communication if you want to keep the galaxies separate. You have some issues with the Khet? "Oh hey God-Shep, we have some problems, here is the secret to intergalactic travel, can you come save us?"

 

"No worries bro, be there soon."

 

The fact that synthesis or control futures could pass super advanced technology back, even if they couldn't travel, would make real problems if one looked at the story with an real care.

That problem only arises if travel between galaxies is instantaneous. If it isn't, it would take even the Reapers about 238 years at least to reach Andromeda, far too late to be of any help to the people in Andromeda asking for it. 

[Master Warder Z_]

 It would also finally finish off IT.

 

That's a bad thing?

[Gothfather]

The first thing to do after waking up on the Ark is surely to check the QECs? To check for news from the Milky Way.

 

It'd be one hell of sucker punch if they're told that Reapers are now history and the Galaxy has moved on with some swanky new developments and advancement in technologies.

 

I'm predicting a return to the MW in the following games ... after ensuring enough time has passed in the MW (because of journey to Andromeda and return from it) to make retconning the ME3 endings unnecessary. And you return to find no surviving species ... hinting at another Reaper-like force that were reaping while you journeyed. The cycle continues!

 

Or QECs were never installed for fear the reapers would find the milky way part of the pair and take action against the Ark while it was still in range. So there are no QECs to check when they arrive.

[Malanek]

That problem only arises if travel between galaxies is instantaneous. If it isn't, it would take even the Reapers about 238 years at least to reach Andromeda, far too late to be of any help to the people in Andromeda asking for it. 

Well whatever Asari, Salarians and humans can do, Godshep can improve on it. Think of how much more advanced GodShep will be in 250 years!!! Heck, to be more realistic if the council can pull off and construct and intergalactic ship in secret and under pressure in a short space of time, the most likely case is that Godshep is already in Andromeda when our pathfinders arrive!!!

 

Regardless the information transfer is supposedly instantaneous, so being able to pull down super advanced technology would be a massive advantage even if the milky way contributed nothing more.

 

Unless you want to open a giant can of worms, it is much better to keep the galaxies separate.

[shepskisaac]

The other question about QEC's is why the arkship simply doesn't turn back and head home once the reaper threat is finished.

Rather a big waste not to utilize all the colonization tools packed aboard if they already made it that far. Would it be even possible to go back right away? That would require twice the resources. Plus, after 200-500 years, most of them wouldn't exactly have much to go back to in terms of friends/family. Going back should be a topic of discussion in the game regardless though, it's natural for human beings to think about home/roots and happens daily in the context of modern migration trends

 

Or QECs were never installed for fear the reapers would find the milky way part of the pair and take action against the Ark while it was still in range. So there are no QECs to check when they arrive.

Corresponding particles can't be traced, it's the biggest advantage of QEC next to irrelevant distance.

[AlanC9]

That's a bad thing?

Not to me. But Bio's never wanted to be mean to those guys. After all, they're happy with the game.

[LineHolder]

Or QECs were never installed for fear the reapers would find the milky way part of the pair and take action against the Ark while it was still in range. So there are no QECs to check when they arrive.

 

I thought about that. But everyone and their mothers were using QECs in ME3 (even while working on the superbad weapon) ...

[Laughing_Man]

I'd wager that QEC's are going to (conveniently) stop working due to an unforeseen dark energy interference between galaxies... 

[Gothfather]

I thought about that. But everyone and their mothers were using QECs in ME3 (even while working on the superbad weapon) ...

 

What does this have to do with anything. Radios are ubiquitous in modern warfare doesn't stop military units from running under radio silence.

 

The existence of warships and military bases are not unknown to the reapers so the don't need to be hidden from them the reapers know that humans and asari and any other citadel space race have military assets so QECs are not a liability under normal circumstances.

 

If you are trying to hide the location of a ship with refugees you never want the enemy to every know it existed let alone where it went. Eventually if the war with the reapers fails every planet WILL be harvested which means a QEC paired with the Ark gives away its existence which puts it in danger. By NEVER having a QEC on the ship its pair can never be discovered thus strengthening the integrity of the secret.

 

Now i will grant it is likely that once the Ark leaves a certain radius from the milky way the Reapers wouldn't care if it escaped because we learned from leviathan that reapers are galactic not intergalactic. But this isn't common knowledge so the Ark wouldn't be designed based on this. It would be designed based on the belief that if the reapers know this ship exists they WILL come to harvest it.

 

There is no reason to install a QEC, as communication with the Ark put it in danger and it's survival is all based in secrecy. A QEC adds no strategic advantage to the Arks success yet a huge strategic liability towards success for its inclusion. No competent project manager would ever include it in its construction and likely removed all QECs from the base where the ship was made as well.

[Ahriman]

That problem only arises if travel between galaxies is instantaneous. If it isn't, it would take even the Reapers about 238 years at least to reach Andromeda, far too late to be of any help to the people in Andromeda asking for it. 

Not really. Colonists build their end of relay and here we go, God-Shepard to the rescue.

[Gothfather]

Rather a big waste not to utilize all the colonization tools packed aboard if they already made it that far. Would it be even possible to go back right away? That would require twice the resources. Plus, after 200-500 years, most of them wouldn't exactly have much to go back to in terms of friends/family. Going back should be a topic of discussion in the game regardless though, it's natural for human beings to think about home/roots and happens daily in the context of modern migration trends

 

Corresponding particles can't be traced, it's the biggest advantage of QEC next to irrelevant distance.

not referring to tracking the ship's location. Referring to a paired QEC proves the ark exists. Something is out there because that is how quantum entanglement works, in pairs. Indoctrinated people on the Milky way side can be used to communicate with the ark and the ark could never know they are being mined for information. The QEC ties the ARK to the milky way which makes it vulnerable to the reapers. Sever all ties to the milky way and you can't be betrayed from this end.

 

No project manager would place such a critical mission in that much jeopardy.

[LineHolder]

What does this have to do with anything. Radios are ubiquitous in modern warfare doesn't stop military units from running under radio silence.

 

The existence of warships and military bases are not unknown to the reapers so the don't need to be hidden from them the reapers know that humans and asari and any other citadel space race have military assets so QECs are not a liability under normal circumstances.

 

If you are trying to hide the location of a ship with refugees you never want the enemy to every know it existed let alone where it went. Eventually if the war with the reapers fails every planet WILL be harvested which means a QEC paired with the Ark gives away its existence which puts it in danger. By NEVER having a QEC on the ship its pair can never be discovered thus strengthening the integrity of the secret.

 

Now i will grant it is likely that once the Ark leaves a certain radius from the milky way the Reapers wouldn't care if it escaped because we learned from leviathan that reapers are galactic not intergalactic. But this isn't common knowledge so the Ark wouldn't be designed based on this. It would be designed based on the belief that if the reapers know this ship exists they WILL come to harvest it.

 

There is no reason to install a QEC, as communication with the Ark put it in danger and it's survival is all based in secrecy. A QEC adds no strategic advantage to the Arks success yet a huge strategic liability towards success for its inclusion. No competent project manager would ever include it in its construction and likely removed all QECs from the base where the ship was made as well.

 

One can argue that the Crucible was more important than the Ark.

 

Victory being more important than an escape strategy. A threat to the Reapers being more vulnerable and under need of secrecy. Yet, we keep seeing Hackett blabber at us throughout the 3rd game.

 

I get what you're saying because I thought of it when I made the thread, but it doesn't make any sense not to install a QEC.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Not really. Colonists build their end of relay and here we go, God-Shepard to the rescue.

A Mass Relay, particularly one capable of reaching its twin millions of light years away, is not a simple construction. The Primary Mass Relays in the Milky Way can only reach a few thousand light years, so the Mass Relays connecting the two galaxies would have to literally have thousands of times the energy output. Plus unlike the Milky Way, the people in Andromeda would have no galactic infrastructure to help in the project, so it would take them even longer if they could do it at all. If the people in Andromeda were in that much trouble, the resources would be better spent on defending themselves. 

 

Well whatever Asari, Salarians and humans can do, Godshep can improve on it. Think of how much more advanced GodShep will be in 250 years!!! Heck, to be more realistic if the council can pull off and construct and intergalactic ship in secret and under pressure in a short space of time, the most likely case is that Godshep is already in Andromeda when our pathfinders arrive!!!

 

Regardless the information transfer is supposedly instantaneous, so being able to pull down super advanced technology would be a massive advantage even if the milky way contributed nothing more.

 

Unless you want to open a giant can of worms, it is much better to keep the galaxies separate.

I don't know. If the ship we're using is using Reaper or Reaper-tier tech then I don't see the Milky Way developing an even faster ship that would catch up and overtake ours. After all, the Reapers had at least a billion years to reach the speed they currently have. Now if we don't use Reaper tech, then yes a ship from after the Reaper War could catch up and overpass us. 

 

I don't see the problem in us getting technological advancements from our home galaxy. If it's anything major like how to build a way to allow instantaneous travel or anything else you're worried about, then the problems I stated above apply. 

 

I'd much rather open that can of worms than keep the galaxies separate. I want this part of the MEU to be connected to the Shepard Trilogy. 

[Ahriman]

A Mass Relay, particularly one capable of reaching its twin millions of light years away, is not a simple construction. The Primary Mass Relays in the Milky Way can only reach a few thousand light years, so the Mass Relays connecting the two galaxies would have to literally have thousands of times the energy output. Plus unlike the Milky Way, the people in Andromeda would have no galactic infrastructure to help in the project, so it would take them even longer if they could do it at all. If the people in Andromeda were in that much trouble, the resources would be better spent on defending themselves.

Well yeah, the thing would be massive, but building it is an instawin, so it's the best way to spend resources. I present you the Khet-Com, stop invaders from another galaxy before they finish their mysterious giant project.

[shepskisaac]

not referring to tracking the ship's location. Referring to a paired QEC proves the ark exists.

How does it prove it? Unless the Reapers hit the call button and Ark Avina answers "Hello, yes this is Ark!" they don't know where the connection leads to, could be Omega, could be Los Angeles or anywhere else in the universe.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Forget Avina, use MIRA. Harbinger hits the call button and Ark MIRA answers.... you remember MIRA from Noveria right? 

[Iakus]

I'd wager that QEC's are going to (conveniently) stop working due to an unforeseen dark energy interference between galaxies... 

Or someone spilled coffee on the MW one...

[Bowlcuts]

Forget Avina, use MIRA. Harbinger hits the call button and Ark MIRA answers.... you remember MIRA from Noveria right? 

How could we not remember?

[MrFob]

Yea, I also really don't expect there to be communication with the MW via QECs. My guess is that - if we really flee from the reapers - they just didn't give us one in order to keep the links between the ARK and the remaining people as small as possible. After all, all of this is done in the anticipation that the MW will fall to the reapers and anyone in there will be indoctrinated. Having a QEC lying around may just tip the reapers off to the fact that some of those pesky organics escaped into the next galaxy.

 

If it just breaks conveniently, I am just going to laugh.

[Iakus]

How could we not remember?

"It looks like you are trying to restore this facility.  Would you like some help?"