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[Gwydden]

I find the asari the least interesting and most annoying part of the setting. MEA would be much improved without them.

Please do explain how any other race is more interesting or integral to the lore. Let alone how ME would be improved without them. 

I imagine that he would rather see a monogendered species comprised of shirtless muscled gayliens.

That would probably be much less annoying and more interesting. (for him at least)

I think his inner SJW hates them. Just a guess.

I strongly dislike the asari, but that's because I've got a certain opinion about sexy aliens and how ridiculous they are. I would love to see them go, but for it to really work they would have to throw quarians and drell out as well, not to mention keep alien romances to a minimum and write them very differently if they are there at all.

 

So I'm resigned to the inevitable at this point.

[slimgrin]

I strongly dislike the asari, but that's because I've got a certain opinion about sexy aliens and how ridiculous they are. I would love to see them go, but for it to really work they would have to throw quarians and drell out as well, not to mention keep alien romances to a minimum and write them very differently if they are there at all.

 

So I'm resigned to the inevitable at this point

 

So...you hate sexy aliens. And you'd throw out the Drell , Asari and Quarians. At this point i'm inclined to think...y'all need to step away and try another game. Maybe Mass effect isn't for you?

[Pearl (rip bioware)]

I don't care.

[Gwydden]

So...you hate sexy aliens. And you'd throw out the Drell , Asari and Quarians. At this point i'm inclined to think...y'all need to step away and try another game. Maybe Mass effect isn't for you?

Hate is a strong word. It implies a level of emotional investment that I find excessive for a video game.

 

Let's not pretend Drell and Quarians are terribly necessary for the ME setting to work. In the first game there was a whole of ONE quarian and in the whole series there was only a couple of drell. Some species won't make the cut to Andromeda, and those two are better candidates than most. Furthermore, I don't mind the quarians so much as long as they keep their masks on, so that can work too.

 

It's not that big of a deal. It would be nice if these alien species disappeared or if at least their striking similarity to humans were addressed. I can headcanon that they are related to humans. Somehow. I can live with that.

[Sgt Reed 24]

Meh. I don't think Mass Effect would feel like Mass Effect without the Asari. 

[Revan Reborn]

Actually, no. In ME3 Shepard doesn't really do that much - Liara discovers the crucible, gets it to the Citadel - Humanity then takes the lead in building it (surprise!) under Hackett, who then treats Shep as his errand girl.

The only time Shep has an impact are the plot threads from ME1.

ME2 is entirely pointless and does nothing to advance the plot one way or the other - the only thing that comes out of ME2 is the amazing genetic diversity of humanity.

 

Oh and the human reaper, let's not forget that!

You know, besides saving all the major worlds and the Citadel, building an alliance no one else could, broker a peace between the krogans and turians, end the genophage, end the conflict between the geth and quarians, oh and activate the crucible to bring an end to the reaper threat. Did I forget to say Shepard took on a reaper all by himself and won? Yeah... Shepard didn't do very much at all. He definitely was only a Mary Sue in the first game... not.

 

Humanity was attacked first and it just so happens Shepard got the plans thanks to Liara. Nobody else wanted to help build the crucible because they were under attack, so of course Hackett took the initiative... You know, Shepard had to convince the rest of the galaxy to help... You did play ME3?

[Revan Reborn]

Hate is a strong word. It implies a level of emotional investment that I find excessive for a video game.

 

Let's not pretend Drell and Quarians are terribly necessary for the ME setting to work. In the first game there was a whole of ONE quarian and in the whole series there was only a couple of drell. Some species won't make the cut to Andromeda, and those two are better candidates than most. Furthermore, I don't mind the quarians so much as long as they keep their masks on, so that can work too.

 

It's not that big of a deal. It would be nice if these alien species disappeared or if at least their striking similarity to humans were addressed. I can headcanon that they are related to humans. Somehow. I can live with that.

All of the various species looking similar to humans is due to technical and storytelling limitations. For one, animations are always going to be most robust among bipedal species and humanoid-type aliens. This is partially because of combat, romance, and even storytelling to show emotions. It's the same reason the protagonist will likely always be human, which I've been telling folks for years. To have a truly diverse cast of various species that do not resemble humans would be costly, inefficient, and way too difficult.

 

That's why asari, quarians, turians, salarians, batarians, krogans, etc., are humanoids and happened to be the most fleshed out. It's a matter of limited resources and doing what makes sense for the story.

[Gwydden]

All of the various species looking similar to humans is due to technical and storytelling limitations. For one, animations are always going to be most robust among bipedal species and humanoid-type aliens. This is partially because of combat, romance, and even storytelling to show emotions. It's the same reason the protagonist will likely always be human, which I've been telling folks for years. To have a truly diverse of various species that do not resemble humans would be costly, inefficient, and way to difficult.

 

That's why asari, quarians, turians, salarians, batarians, krogans, etc., are humanoids and happened to be the most fleshed out. It's a matter of limited resources and doing what makes sense for the story.

I am aware. It's not humanoid aliens I take issue with; it's aliens that are so much like humans as to be sexually compatible. Even then I'm willing to let it slide, if it's addressed and given a reasonable explanation (e.g. said aliens are somehow related to humans, like the Eldar from Warhammer 40k).

 

The idea of sexy blue alien babes and handsome reptilians with soulful eyes? Of common and frequent interspecies relationships? Of omnisexuality? I find all of those incredibly silly.

[vbibbi]

I am aware. It's not humanoid aliens I take issue with; it's aliens that are so much like humans as to be sexually compatible. Even then I'm willing to let it slide, if it's addressed and given a reasonable explanation (e.g. said aliens are somehow related to humans, like the Eldar from Warhammer 40k).
 
The idea of sexy blue alien babes and handsome reptilians with soulful eyes? Of common and frequent interspecies relationships? Of omnisexuality? I find all of those incredibly silly.

Yeah I really don't get how fem Shep and Garrus are supposed to be intimate. I think she would get some nasty cuts.

And it's complete fan service that Tali would be willing to risk her life in order to have sex with Shep.

[Revan Reborn]

I am aware. It's not humanoid aliens I take issue with; it's aliens that are so much like humans as to be sexually compatible. Even then I'm willing to let it slide, if it's addressed and given a reasonable explanation (e.g. said aliens are somehow related to humans, like the Eldar from Warhammer 40k).

 

The idea of sexy blue alien babes and handsome reptilians with soulful eyes? Of common and frequent interspecies relationships? Of omnisexuality? I find all of those incredibly silly.

I agree it's rather unlikely; but, it seems to be one of those elements from science fiction like Star Trek or even a Space Opera like Star Wars. There are always exotic alien females who seem to be sexually compatible with humans in order to play off that sexual desire and fantasy to heighten the sex appeal. It's similar, although less pronounced, even in traditional fantasy, such as Dragon Age, having the capacity to romance dwarves and elves.

 

Of course, BioWare knows they are going to do relationships and there are going to be romances. They want to show off more than just humans because it's space and it's futuristic. So, we'll always have some sort of "sexy alien babes" in order to fill that category to please those who want more variety and diversity than humans have to offer.

 

I actually didn't care for the romances with the alien species myself, as I didn't like Liara in ME1, and Tali always seemed more like a little sister than anyone I could be romantic with. However, some folks really get into it and so, whether it makes sense or not, BioWare is going to play off those desires. I could see it somewhat being justified in the same galaxy. Surely though, it will be even more ridiculous if there are plenty of sexually-compatible aliens in Andromeda.

[SporkFu]

It's possible -- not saying it's stated or explained or even suggested anywhere else but here, by me -- that the Protheans guided/uplifted/manipulated all the major species of our cycle to eventually be compatible in many ways.

Javik does say, at the Temple of Athame, or maybe afterwards back on the Normandy, that it was believed the asari would be the dominant ones, and possible saviours against the reapers. He also states that the asari were heavily genetically modified to give them strong innate biotics. Perhaps, if they were intended to be the dominant species, they were ...well, maybe engineered isn't the right word, but ...engineered to be sexually compatible with all species to further that domination.

Jeez, this is starting to feel like inventing midichlorians. Sometimes space magic should just be left alone.

[Han Shot First]

I am aware. It's not humanoid aliens I take issue with; it's aliens that are so much like humans as to be sexually compatible. Even then I'm willing to let it slide, if it's addressed and given a reasonable explanation (e.g. said aliens are somehow related to humans, like the Eldar from Warhammer 40k).

 

The idea of sexy blue alien babes and handsome reptilians with soulful eyes? Of common and frequent interspecies relationships? Of omnisexuality? I find all of those incredibly silly.

 

You're right in that aliens so similar to humans to be romantically compatible with them is not very likely. 

 

But then Mass Effect was never really intended to be a hard Sci Fi take on a plausible future. It has some hard Sci Fi elements perhaps, but those have always coexisted in the series alongside some really fantastical elements as well. Mass Effect seems to be influenced by TV series like Star Trek or Farscape, where the sexy alien is one of the genre's staples.

[Revan Reborn]

 

You're right in that aliens so similar to humans to be romantically compatible with them is not very likely. 

 

But then Mass Effect was never really intended to be a hard Sci Fi take on a plausible future. It has some hard Sci Fi elements perhaps, but those have always coexisted in the series alongside some really fantastical elements as well. Mass Effect seems to be influenced by TV series like Star Trek or Farscape, where the sexy alien is one of the genre's staples.

Star Trek is even more ridiculous. Don't forget that Spock is half human and half vulcan. The point is there is no real explanation for this "sexual compatibility" other than it's purely for fan service purposes. Not only that, but for BioWare, it's a matter of what's convenient because they want to do inter-species relationships.

 

The likelihood that we will ever see a romanceable female character from another species that doesn't have an accentuated figure with prominent breasts and a butt is virtually almost zero. I personally would be more interested in the dialogue and relationship building, but others love having that fan service in there because they enjoy it.

[Han Shot First]

Star Trek is even more ridiculous. Don't forget that Spock is half human and half vulcan. The point is there is no real explanation for this "sexual compatibility" other than it's purely for fan service purposes. Not only that, but for BioWare, it's a matter of what's convenient because they want to do inter-species relationships.

 

The likelihood that we will ever see a romanceable female character from another species that doesn't have an accentuated figure with prominent breasts and a butt is virtually almost zero. I personally would be more interested in the dialogue and relationship building, but others love having that fan service in there because they enjoy it.

 

Speaking of Star Trek...

 

Did Kirk ever meet an alien he didn't fight or f***?

[The Hierophant]

Keep them. The asari not being in Andromeda while the krogan are would raise too many questions, create forum ending fandom wars(the Miranda Civil War was a thing), and incite the misogyny brigade on Bio.

[Mcfly616]

What's funny is that those people that totally hate Asari because they're sexually compatible with humans, are some of the same people that want Bioware to include a turian female romance, hanar POV and Krogan gang bangs.

 

I get it. The chances of being sexually compatible with another species are pretty much zero. But that was the Asari's "thing". It was their niche. It was acceptable. I could suspend my disbelief. Then the sequels came along and we could bang everything because "that's what fans wanted". Ridiculous, immersion-breaking pandering. 

 

 

Bring back the Asari. Just leave out the "you can bang anything you want, because you want" mentality that went into the narrative and game design the last two times around.

[Revan Reborn]

Speaking of Star Trek...

 

Did Kirk ever meet an alien he didn't fight or f***?

Nope. He was that power fantasy projected onto the audience. From the first official trailer for the new Star Trek movie, it looks like Kirk will be getting a lot more sexy alien babe action too.

 

Honestly, as long as these species have more of a purpose than just being titillation on the screen, I don't care how many asari, or more species like them, are in MEA. As long as they somehow fit into the frame work of the experience and aren't just space hookers.

[CirusTheVirus666]

Wasn't Mass Effect supposed to be a spare opera? You know space warfare, romance, drama. Whats wrong with creating its own universe and having a story set in that universe, its their "Creative Vision"; oh wow, can't believe I said that lol. Yeah, I know SOME things are based on real life in the Mass Effect universe, but at the end of the day, its a made up story. 

 

The example of Star Trek is a perfect example, its based off of what Roddenberry thought humans would be in the future, no war, no greed, etc. But the adventures itself has humanoid aliens, it has Kirk banging every alien within a light year. It's it own universe based of some real life issues and is one of the biggest most successful sci-fi franchises in the world, sexy green aliens and all.

 

So what if all aliens in Mass Effect are human looking and sexually compatible with each other along with humans, its Bioware's property and I enjoy it, just like I enjoy Star Trek. The developers hope you enjoy it and if not, scratch Mass Effect off your list and look for something else that suits your interests. 

 

But anyways, Bring back the Asari!

[Revan Reborn]

Wasn't Mass Effect supposed to be a spare opera? You know space warfare, romance, drama. Whats wrong with creating its own universe and having a story set in that universe, its their "Creative Vision"; oh wow, can't believe I said that lol. Yeah, I know SOME things are based on real life in the Mass Effect universe, but at the end of the day, its a made up story. 

 

The example of Star Trek is a perfect example, its based off of what Roddenberry thought humans would be in the future, no war, no greed, etc. But the adventures itself has humanoid aliens, it has Kirk banging every alien within a light year. It's it own universe based of some real life issues and is one of the biggest most successful sci-fi franchises in the world, sexy green aliens and all.

 

So what if all aliens in Mass Effect are human looking and sexually compatible with each other along with humans, its Bioware's property and I enjoy it, just like I enjoy Star Trek. The developers hope you enjoy it and if not, scratch Mass Effect off your list and look for something else that suits your interests. 

 

But anyways, Bring back the Asari!

Mass Effect certainly has elements of a space opera, as it has a lot to do with relationships and dealing with people. However, it's still very much science fiction, as that largely drives the narrative forward with everything else being secondary. It's not like Star Wars, which is clearly a Space Opera, because the characters and relationships drive the experience, with the space ships and technology being a backdrop.

 

I don't think anybody here has a major issue with asari. In fact, unlike Star Trek, these "alien space babes" actually have a purpose in the story. The question is whether all of these alien women always have to be sexually compatible just for the sake of titillation and sex appeal. It ultimately is just a power fantasy that BioWare is playing into because sex sells.

 

Again, I'd be far more interested in an engaging and believable relationship rather than just ten second sex scenes with a blue alien that shows boobs and butt.

[Bowlcuts]

What's funny is that those people that totally hate Asari because they're sexually compatible with humans, are some of the same people that want Bioware to include a turian female romance, hanar POV and Krogan gang bangs.

 

I get it. The chances of being sexually compatible with another species are pretty much zero. But that was the Asari's "thing". It was their niche. It was acceptable. I could suspend my disbelief. Then the sequels came along and we could bang everything because "that's what fans wanted". Ridiculous, immersion-breaking pandering. 

 

 

Bring back the Asari. Just leave out the "you can bang anything you want, because you want" mentality that went into the narrative and game design the last two times around.

I wouldn't say people downright HATE the Asari because of that.

There's just people like me who love them but wish for them to be shed in a different light other than the whole "I'm a sexy blue immortal human who attracts everyone." I really don't care about that, I liked learning about their diplomacy, religion, and even their military doctrine. The Asari being an all-female species is just icing on the cake.

 

Unfortunately it took almost to the end of ME3 for us to have any new substantial lore encompassing the Asari. For them being iconic, I want moar.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I would argue that's a mis-characterization of Mass Effect, actually. I know why people assume this (human reaper, Earth being the central focus of ME3, etc.), however, it's not that humanity was ever special. What was actually special was Shepard. The reapers had an obsession with Shepard, and thus they wanted to create something that could destroy him/her. What better creation than a reaper made of his/her own species or destroying his/her planet?

 

TIM believe humanity was special, even enough to control the reapers, and he was wrong. The reapers were scared of Shepard. He/She defeated Sovereign. He/She defeated the collectors. They didn't know how to approach him/her, so they tried to destroy him/her in a variety of ways.

 

The Alliance 5th Fleet under Admiral Hackett defeated Sovereign. Sovereign had assumed control of this form (Saren) for the video game "boss fight" and Shepard destroyed the meaningless hopper body. What Shepard really did was stop Saren from using the master control console in the Citadel and use that magic override program disk given to her/him by Vigil to regain control of the Citadel, open it and let in the fleet. At that point it was over. Sovereign had lost. 

 

Her/His team defeated the Collectors that were in the Galactic Core building a human reaper. But apparently there were Collectors elsewhere in the galaxy that we didn't know about at the time.

[Mcfly616]

I wouldn't say people downright HATE the Asari because of that.

 I can assure you there are those that do hate them for that reason, along with those that hate them for others.

 

 

There's just people like me who love them but wish for them to be shed in a different light other than the whole "I'm a sexy blue immortal human who attracts everyone." 

 There's also those people that don't like anything about them. 

 

 

 

I really don't care about that, I liked learning about their diplomacy, religion, and even their military doctrine. The Asari being an all-female species is just icing on the cake.

 

Unfortunately it took almost to the end of ME3 for us to have any new substantial lore encompassing the Asari. For them being iconic, I want moar.

 I believe they had lore added in each game. Maybe we differ in our interest of said lore. I happened to enjoy it.

[Revan Reborn]

The Alliance 5th Fleet under Admiral Hackett defeated Sovereign. Sovereign had assumed control of this form (Saren) for the video game "boss fight" and Shepard destroyed the meaningless hopper body. What Shepard really did was stop Saren from using the master control console in the Citadel and use that magic override program disk given to her/him by Vigil to regain control of the Citadel, open it and let in the fleet. At that point it was over. Sovereign had lost. 

 

Her/His team defeated the Collectors that were in the Galactic Core building a human reaper. But apparently there were Collectors elsewhere in the galaxy that we didn't know about at the time.

Well if you want to be that technical, Shepard did still defeat Sovereign, because the Normandy, under Shepard's command, actually dealt the killing blow. The alliance just provided covering fire.

 

Shepard destroyed the Collector's home base, of which was under direct control by Harbinger. Anything else would have been merely a satellite base, but had become irrelevant after Harbinger abandoned the Collectors.

 

My point was Shepard, either directly or through his crew, defeated the reaper threat.

[KaiserShep]

The Alliance 5th Fleet under Admiral Hackett defeated Sovereign. Sovereign had assumed control of this form (Saren) for the video game "boss fight" and Shepard destroyed the meaningless hopper body. What Shepard really did was stop Saren from using the master control console in the Citadel and use that magic override program disk given to her/him by Vigil to regain control of the Citadel, open it and let in the fleet. At that point it was over. Sovereign had lost. 

 

Her/His team defeated the Collectors that were in the Galactic Core building a human reaper. But apparently there were Collectors elsewhere in the galaxy that we didn't know about at the time.

 

Yeah, Sovereign was pretty dumb. If it didn't assume direct control of Saren, Shepard would have been powerless to do anything. Sovy might have been able to take out the Alliance ships before they managed to inflict enough damage. 

[EpicNewb]

We need a paid for Asari diplomat crewmember.

 

She can pull wool over the eyes of the natives of the planets we colonize and spin sell them into thinking our actions are good for their race.