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[Han Shot First]

Lets leave the hermaphrodite fetishes to certain sections of the internet that cater to those particular kinks.

 

That shouldn't be one of the goals of a Mass Effect game. 

[Revan Reborn]

Lets leave the hermaphrodite fetishes to certain sections of the internet that cater to those particular kinks.

 

That shouldn't be one of the goals of a Mass Effect game. 

Isn't one of the goals of a BioWare game to be as sexually diverse and open as possible? What's wrong with a hermaphrodite? If we don't discriminate against a transgender, why discriminate against a androgynous?

[Rainbow Wyvern]

Isn't one of the goals of a BioWare game to be as sexually diverse and open as possible? What's wrong with a hermaphrodite? If we don't discriminate against a transgender, why discriminate against a androgynous?

hermaphrodite strays dangerously close to fetish territory

 

especially considering some of the comments on this thread. romance fanbase is weird

[Revan Reborn]

hermaphrodite strays dangerously close to fetish territory

 

especially considering some of the comments on this thread. romance fanbase is weird

How does it stray any closer to "fetish territory" than a transgender? BioWare already tackled a transgender character in DAI. Why would a hermaphrodite be crossing the line? If BioWare is going to embrace sexuality of all kinds, why not this?

 

For the record, I'm a heterosexual male. So personally, I have no stake in any of these sexual orientations being included. However, if BioWare is going to live up to their word of being inclusive, why would this be so inappropriate?

[Rainbow Wyvern]

How does it stray any closer to "fetish territory" than a transgender? BioWare already tackled a transgender character in DAI. Why would a hermaphrodite be crossing the line? If BioWare is going to embrace sexuality of all kinds, why not this?

 

For the record, I'm a heterosexual male. So personally, I have no stake in any of these sexual orientations being included. However, if BioWare is going to live up to their word of being inclusive, why would this be so inappropriate?

hermaphrodites are fetishized more often than transgenders. and judging by the comments about futanari, it wouldn't be any different in a bioware game. 

 

if bioware could pull it off i wouldn't really be opposed to a hermaphrodite character though, just don't think they'd do it well enough that it doesn't come across badly.

[CrimsonN7]

I miss when folk were hating on the asari earlier, not debating if they could be packing.

 

[SlottsMachine]

^Okay.

 

What's blue and smells like paint?

 

Spoiler

 

Blue paint.

 

 

Spoiler

 

Nah, just kidding. Its Liara.

 

[Killdren88]

I miss when folk were hating on the asari earlier, not debating if they could be packing.

 

Welcome to BSN.

[TheJediSaint]

I miss when folk were hating on the asari earlier, not debating if they could be packing.

 

 

Stupid sexy Asari.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

Lets leave the hermaphrodite fetishes to certain sections of the internet that cater to those particular kinks.

That shouldn't be one of the goals of a Mass Effect game.

Just kidding about the whole "experiment" thing you know. Don't take everything what I said serious. I like to mess around @ times.

[Laughing_Man]

How does it stray any closer to "fetish territory" than a transgender? BioWare already tackled a transgender character in DAI. Why would a hermaphrodite be crossing the line? If BioWare is going to embrace sexuality of all kinds, why not this?

 

For the record, I'm a heterosexual male. So personally, I have no stake in any of these sexual orientations being included. However, if BioWare is going to live up to their word of being inclusive, why would this be so inappropriate?

 

I can do without transgender and hermaphrodite in the game, hell I could do without the entire bloated romance section and its drama.

 

But you do have a point, it's rather ironic that those that chose to be in the position they are get more support than those that never chose

to become what they are and have to deal with their problems and difficulties without getting any special snowflake benefits.

[medusa_hair]

I would not mind one bit. But if there is an Asari companion please let her be like the detective at the beginning of samara's quest and not so much like Liara. Liara really started to get on my nerves in me3.

[Revan Reborn]

I can do without transgender and hermaphrodite in the game, hell I could do without the entire bloated romance section and its drama.

 

But you do have a point, it's rather ironic that those that chose to be in the position they are get more support than those that never chose

to become what they are and have to deal with their problems and difficulties without getting any special snowflake benefits.

Yeah. This is what I find troubling. From my perspective, a transgender would be far more of a "fetish" than a androgynous. One is choosing to change their gender to identify with who they feel they are on the inside. The other is just born with both genders. I find it hypocritical that someone who is born with both is somehow persecuted and viewed as a strange "fetish" while the other is perfectly acceptable. I'm not transgender or a hermaphrodite, so perhaps I'm just not understanding entirely why one should get preferential treatment over the other.

 

Personally, I don't think these are really issues a video game should be addressing at all, but BioWare has felt differently clearly. I just wonder to what degree they can go to appease various sexual orientations as well as extra-terrestrial relations that are also being asked for. Will we soon get to a point where there are no humans to romance at all and we are submerged in a sexuality simulator that is far more focused on people's sexuality rather than exploring the galaxy? Where does the line get drawn? What does BioWare even think of romance?

[slimgrin]

I miss when folk were hating on the asari earlier, not debating if they could be packing.

 

 

Krogans suck balls, they're retarded cliches with dumb names like 'Grunt'..

 

Did I do it right? 

 

No? Ok. Salarians are nerdy fast talking Asians, and they deserve to be removed. 

 

The Volus are scrubby Jews... GET RID OF THEM.

 

Thane is there for female fanservice. Not good enough. Gotta go. 

[Kick The Chair]

What? No blue beuwbs in Andromenda? What would be the point of exploring then.

[Fade9wayz]

Yeah. This is what I find troubling. From my perspective, a transgender would be far more of a "fetish" than a androgynous. One is choosing to change their gender to identify with who they feel they are on the inside. The other is just born with both genders. I find it hypocritical that someone who is born with both is somehow persecuted and viewed as a strange "fetish" while the other is perfectly acceptable. I'm not transgender or a hermaphrodite, so perhaps I'm just not understanding entirely why one should get preferential treatment over the other.

 

Personally, I don't think these are really issues a video game should be addressing at all, but BioWare has felt differently clearly. I just wonder to what degree they can go to appease various sexual orientations as well as extra-terrestrial relations that are also being asked for. Will we soon get to a point where there are no humans to romance at all and we are submerged in a sexuality simulator that is far more focused on people's sexuality rather than exploring the galaxy? Where does the line get drawn? What does BioWare even think of romance?

Taking porn and the various paraphilias as a measure of what is, or is not accepted by society is a very strange notion to me, or are you telling me that tentacles, gang-bangs, rape and pedophilia are acceptable and normal just because they are widely represented in that industry? There is no preferential treatment between transgendered and hermaphrodites. Both are in equally delicate situations, and are viewed as strange, true hermaphrodites are just much more rare than transgendered, who themselves are a clear demographic minority. Transgendered feel trapped in a body that is not theirs, and the issue for hermaphrodites is that they are forced (when that choice wasn't taken away by their parents, or antiquated-minded doctors at birth) to choose one gender over the other in societies that only recognise male or female genders, legally and socially speaking. There isn't much choice in both situation, either conform to what society believes they should be, or go for what they themselves want to be, be it one of the two prominent genders, or a bit of both, and live with the consequences.

 

BW has only depicted one transgendered so far, in their latest game. I personally thought it was done in good taste and not at all overbearing. They might include an hermaphrodite in some future game, or whatever else variation of the continuum of gender that can exist, who knows? I wouldn't be so quick in accusing them of giving any sort of preferential treatment, especially when they are accused, in  the same breath, of giving to much importance to these subjects.

 

As for romances, I'd personally scrap them away and have BW only focus on a strong main story and efficient and fun combat, but I do acknowledge that many people enjoy them and they are here to stay. At that point, any permutation is acceptable to me (I don't care who or what some player want to do), as long as it doesn't impair the main plot. I'm  just going to skip them, unless I find one that really adds to the story, like making me laugh or something.

[The Elder King]

we would have another asari companion and yeah we will see those parasites try to infest new galaxy, hope that they cant reproduce with andromedians=)

I don't see If as a big problem. They'd have all the Milky Way species, including themselves, for reproducing.

[Laughing_Man]

As for romances, I'd personally scrap them away and have BW only focus on a strong main story and efficient and fun combat, but I do acknowledge that many people enjoy them and they are here to stay. At that point, any permutation is acceptable to me (I don't care who or what some player want to do), as long as it doesn't impair the main plot. I'm  just going to skip them, unless I find one that really adds to the story, like making me laugh or something.

 

I can agree mostly, but the bold part is the problem, especially since it seems that with time the number of options is rising.

Every $ that goes into romance VA and cutscenes is not going towards story and and the polishing of the game.

[CrimsonN7]

Stupid sexy Asari.

 

I agree, my Shep loves her some blue.

[Laughing_Man]

I don't see If as a big problem. They'd have all the Milky Way species, including themselves, for reproducing.

 

Those posts were either a trolling attempt, or an out-of-control hate boner, not a coherent argument. Trying to counter with logic is pointless.

[Fade9wayz]

I can agree mostly, but the bold part is the problem, especially since it seems that with time the number of options is rising.

Every $ that goes into romance VA and cutscenes is not going towards story and and the polishing of the game.

Which is why I mentioned it and rather have all romances scraped (the fact I mostly played multiplayer was because I found the combat gameplay very enjoyable, more so than redoing the whole thing with a difficulty level on Insanity I found wholly inadequate), but as I said, they are here to stay, and if we are going to talk to NPCs, I don't see any problem with them talking a bit about themselves, whatever the subject, biology, culture or sexual orientation/definition. As I said, I found the way they broached the transgender issue very tasteful and sensible, and didn't detract from the main plot (as weak as it already was anyway). I wouldn't mind this kind of approach on other subjects.

[Sartoz]

Isn't one of the goals of a BioWare game to be as sexually diverse and open as possible? What's wrong with a hermaphrodite? If we don't discriminate against a transgender, why discriminate against a androgynous?

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And why not just stick to the main story arc which is mankind's struggle for survival in a new region of space? This new Mass Effect game is NOT about hermies or transxes or about someone's undersized stones.

[9TailsFox]

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And why not just stick to the main story arc which is mankind's struggle for survival in a new region of space? This new Mass Effect game is NOT about hermies or transxes or about someone's undersized stones.

Wait it isn't oh...

[maia0407]

Yeah. This is what I find troubling. From my perspective, a transgender would be far more of a "fetish" than a androgynous. One is choosing to change their gender to identify with who they feel they are on the inside. The other is just born with both genders. I find it hypocritical that someone who is born with both is somehow persecuted and viewed as a strange "fetish" while the other is perfectly acceptable. I'm not transgender or a hermaphrodite, so perhaps I'm just not understanding entirely why one should get preferential treatment over the other.

 

Personally, I don't think these are really issues a video game should be addressing at all, but BioWare has felt differently clearly. I just wonder to what degree they can go to appease various sexual orientations as well as extra-terrestrial relations that are also being asked for. Will we soon get to a point where there are no humans to romance at all and we are submerged in a sexuality simulator that is far more focused on people's sexuality rather than exploring the galaxy? Where does the line get drawn? What does BioWare even think of romance?

I wouldn't mind seeing hermaphrodites any other marginalized minority groups in the game. Video games are a great way to humanize people with differences that we might not encounter very often. It's odd to me that some people are so phobic about gender and sexuality differences to the point of wanting them excluded from games but are perfectly willing to get to know and romance fictional aliens. 

[Revan Reborn]

Taking porn and the various paraphilias as a measure of what is, or is not accepted by society is a very strange notion to me, or are you telling me that tentacles, gang-bangs, rape and pedophilia are acceptable and normal just because they are widely represented in that industry? There is no preferential treatment between transgendered and hermaphrodites. Both are in equally delicate situations, and are viewed as strange, true hermaphrodites are just much more rare than transgendered, who themselves are a clear demographic minority. Transgendered feel trapped in a body that is not theirs, and the issue for hermaphrodites is that they are forced (when that choice wasn't taken away by their parents, or antiquated-minded doctors at birth) to choose one gender over the other in societies that only recognise male or female genders, legally and socially speaking. There isn't much choice in both situation, either conform to what society believes they should be, or go for what they themselves want to be, be it one of the two prominent genders, or a bit of both, and live with the consequences.

 

BW has only depicted one transgendered so far, in their latest game. I personally thought it was done in good taste and not at all overbearing. They might include an hermaphrodite in some future game, or whatever else variation of the continuum of gender that can exist, who knows? I wouldn't be so quick in accusing them of giving any sort of preferential treatment, especially when they are accused, in  the same breath, of giving to much importance to these subjects.

 

As for romances, I'd personally scrap them away and have BW only focus on a strong main story and efficient and fun combat, but I do acknowledge that many people enjoy them and they are here to stay. At that point, any permutation is acceptable to me (I don't care who or what some player want to do), as long as it doesn't impair the main plot. I'm  just going to skip them, unless I find one that really adds to the story, like making me laugh or something.

You are missing who my post is pointed towards. This has nothing to do with BioWare giving "preferential treatment." It's the fact that posters on this very thread are suggesting BioWare should give preferential treatment to other sexual orientations while excluding androgynous. This is something I find to be incredibly hypocritical if they want BioWare to be sexually diverse, yet they seem to preclude hermaphrodites because they are a "strange fetish." Perhaps I just misunderstood their point, but it came off as being on the ignorant and close-minded side.

 

I agree that the fascination with romance can actually take away from the main point of the game, which is the story and the gameplay. That being said, BioWare games are also about companions and relationships, so I can understand why romances are a common sense progression. I was just pointing out people want same sex alien romances, trans-species protagonists, etc. Yet, for some reason, inclusion of a hermaphrodite is somehow crossing the line. My question is "why?"

 

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And why not just stick to the main story arc which is mankind's struggle for survival in a new region of space? This new Mass Effect game is NOT about hermies or transxes or about someone's undersized stones.

I agree with you. I think the game should actually focus on exploration and the relationships between the crew. Social issues are something I don't believe a video game should necessarily attempt to address. BioWare has attempted to do so and they seem to have garnered a mixed response among fans. I'm not against the idea of bringing awareness and trying to be more inclusive, but how far do you go?

 

I wouldn't mind seeing hermaphrodites any other marginalized minority groups in the game. Video games are a great way to humanize people with differences that we might not encounter very often. It's odd to me that some people are so phobic about gender and sexuality differences to the point of wanting them excluded from games but are perfectly willing to get to know and romance fictional aliens. 

This was the hypocrisy I was seeing. People want to romance asari, quarians, turians, etc. Heck, some want to romance hanar. Yet, for some odd reason, a hermaphrodite is crossing the line? I just find that very odd and a bit of a double standard when they are yelling and hollering for BioWare to add all these diverse romances, yet they are completely against someone who is born naturally (and doesn't have a choice) with both genders. Why the discrimination? Nobody chooses to be a hermaphrodite. Why have they been reduced to being a "strange fetish" when other sexual orientations clearly don't receive that same treatment?