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[Atomkick]

Depends on how they wrote the story and the timeline gap that they chose for ME:A from ME3.

 

Edit: I don't support the Ark being launched while the Reaper war.

[Killdren88]

And looking at it from a business standpoint. You must be insane if you think Bioware would toss out sex appeal when advertising an RPG game with romance features. Because they are a decently sized chunk of the fan base that can be easily exploited.

[Yaroub]

That would be fine.

 

I mentioned in another thread that an asari can be the ships janitor. As the main character walks around, someone over the intercom says "cleanup needed on deck 3", an asari comes out of her closet running with her mop and bucket

 

^This please!

 

[slimgrin]

And looking at it from a business standpoint. You must be insane if you think Bioware would toss out sex appeal when advertising an RPG game with romance features. Because they are a decently sized chunk of the fan base that can be easily exploited.

 

They're also the most iconic alien race in Mass Effect. 

[Killdren88]

They're also the most iconic alien race in Mass Effect. 

This is also true. They are as likely to be removed as Turians or Quarians.

[Battlebloodmage]

This is also true. They are as likely to be removed as Turians or Quarians.

So we could remove humans?

[Bowlcuts]

So we could remove humans?

Human master race.

You know this.

[AlanC9]

Of course, that's how I see it. And for that reason I wouldn't mind at all if Bioware tried something more... modern in Andromeda. What you guys think?

I think it's a silly idea for a thread. The asari aren't going anywhere, and we all know it.

Not that I mind discussing silly ideas, but this one isn't even workable on its own terms. How would you get rid of the asari? Double down on ME's humanocentrism and leave everybody else behind in the Milky Way? That's obviously worse.

[Killdren88]

So we could remove humans?

 

For what reason other than "They are boring."? You can't remove species for arbitrary reasons. People like what you don't like. That's humanity for you. People will ogle Drell males because that is what they find attractive. Same with, turians Quarian  and Asari and even Vrocha, and volus fro some people. Just because you don't like them doesn't give you the right to take that away from someone else. If this were true, Cullen wouldn't exist outside of DA:O for me.

 

So let people ogle what they will and ignore it. Pretend it doesn't exist and focus on what you do like. Don't try to take it away from them while standing on some false moral high ground doing it acting like its for the greater good.

[Atomkick]

Depends on how they wrote the story and the timeline gap that they chose for ME:A from ME3.

 

Edit: I don't support the Ark being launched while the Reaper war.

 

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If we are not going to see some species in ME:A I won't concern highly but I would definitely wonder what happened to them, through lore or whatever. For me it isn't just about the Asari.

[Kingthlayer]

I don't really care for the Asari, and if they were to be left in the Milky Way I wouldn't shed a tear for them.  But them not being in Andromeda makes no sense from a writing stand point, there is no way in hell the species of the Milky Way create a way to leave the galaxy into another one and somehow exclude the Asari, who unless BioWare decide to go full on humansarespeciallol, will be the race most involved in this project.

[SporkFu]

I'd miss the commando leathers asari, and I hope they remain a part of the Mass Effect series for as long as there is a series. They belong as much as any other species in the ME 'verse.

[Tvorceskiy]

I wouldn't mind having no Asari. Are they neat?I think so. But I didn't really feel a connection with the race as a whole (Liara didn't help.). I would prefer it if they were in the background or as supporting characters, like a new Dr Chakwas rather than squadmates if they are a part of the Ark.

Which they probably are. Most likely. Maybe.

[Undead Han]

 

...codex entries can be contradictory to lore: the codex entry for the Blue Suns states that it was founded by a Batarian, when in actuality Zaeed and Vido started the mercenary company. If you think about it, the codex entries in Mass Effect are nothing more than an Alliance database, which means it's subject to error due to cultural differences, misinformation, etc..Which means it's possible that 'All-female' could be a reference to their physical appearance, not their actual gender.

 

Liara herself says that "male and female have no real meaning for us" and that she is "not precisely a woman." There's a difference between no gender and an undefined gender.

 

Why would the Asari codex entry be wrong from an in universe perspective?

 

The Blue Suns and Reaper codex entries present incorrect information because both are repeating what is common knowledge from an in universe perspective. As far as most people in the game world know, the Blue Suns weren't founded by Zaeed and the Reapers prior to ME3 were a myth that only tinfoil hat wearers believed in. Asari biology should not be anywhere near as mysterious, even to humans. By ME1 humanity is a member of a galactic federation founded by the Asari and humans have been in contact with the species for decades.

 

Unlike the two codex entries mentioned above, there is nothing in the games that contradicts it. Without contradictions, there is no reason to reject what is in the Asari codex entry as being anything other than canon. The Asari look like human females, give birth to young, self-identify with female pronouns, refer to their children as daughters, and use words like like Maiden, Matron, and Matriarch to refer to their three life stages. Their ancient deities being primarily female supports them being female as well, if human culture is anything to go by, since we mostly created gods in our own image.

 

Liara also never says that she isn't a woman. She says that the words male and female do not have much meaning for her species, which would make a certain degree of sense for a species that only has a single biological sex. It is also worth pointing out that she's talking about gender identity, which is not necessarily the same thing as someone's biological sex.

 

Finally the Asari means of reproduction was inspired by species on Earth that reproduce by parthenogenesis. Those that reproduce that way exclusively, like certain species of whiptail lizards, are entirely female. 

[aoibhealfae]

I rather they being retcon as being more alien than simply being sexy blue female alien race.

[slimgrin]

I rather they being retcon as being more alien than simply being sexy blue female alien race.

 

Which is simple. Write more characters like Samara. But I want some to be pole dancers as well. 

[SporkFu]

Which is simple. Write more characters like Samara. But I want some to be pole dancers as well.

Samara was one of the sexiest of the asari we met in the trilogy. Cold-blooded justice runs hot indeed I would definitely be happy with more characters like her.

[Laughing_Man]

The question is either dumb or intellectually dishonest. Just take one look at the statistics page that's floating around here.

Remind me, who was the most popular squadmate?...

 

Yeah, some people hate the Asari for various reasons, many of them can be boiled down to jealousy and spite, either in the name of what they see as a scorned favorite character (commonly Tali / Ashley) or race; or due to other conspiracy theories that include heavy use of words like "patriarchy" and "problematic".

 

Then of course there are those who are not interested in female romance prospects.

 

My point is, the objections are hardly academic or intellectual for the most part.

 

And like others mentioned before, there is no logical reason in-universe to exclude the Asari at this point, unless the Ark is a human-exclusive project
 - which we already know at this point that it isn't.

[Tetrabytes101]

No, i lov3 them blue lap dancers,
The asari are stronger than human so they have to be around?
Thats if we are?

[EpicNewb]

I was replaying Mass Effect today and was just made Spectre. Nothing new here, I done this any number of times. But everytime I'm "discovering" the citadel I find it funny to realize again the primary role of the Asari: to be a fanservice race. A race that can play the role of human women almost to the letter while still being an alien. A race that anyone can romance. 

The Art of the Mass Effect universe pretty much says this:

To add a familar element of science-fiction fantasy, we decided one of the main species in Mass Effect would be a race of beautiful, blue alien girls. An extensive exploration of the idfea led to the asari appearing exotic and alien while still having some human qualities, which allowed them to be desirible as potential love interests.

As it says, Mass Effect is not the only science fiction work to do this. But can't this change in Andromeda? Can't Mass Effect follow a different path?

A lot of people complain about a human centric story, but the Asari make for a human centric universe. Why there are only human and Asari working as strippers? Becase that is what a human would like to see, that's why. A Turian or a Salarian are not attractive as an Asari is, but from a in-universe perpective, it makes as much sense having them taking their clothes off as it makes a human or an Asari. 

Bioware tried to explain this a bit with in-univese lore, like different spcies arguing the Asari looked attractive to all of them and in ME3 dropping some info that could lead to the not far fetched conclusion that the Protheans modified the Asari to be their sex slaves. But I'd argue that when a race is introduced in a sci-fi work with such a shallow function, every attempt to develop then further will have a reduced success.

Of course, that's how I see it. And for that reason I wouldn't mind at all if Bioware tried something more... modern in Andromeda. What you guys think?

Now that you mention it Asari are more desired than the flyest human females in the Mass Effect Universe.

 

Only explanation I can think of is because Asari can mate with all races.

 

I don't mind Asari being in the game.  What I don't want is another Asari squadmate.  Their bodies aren't designed for the frontlines.  We have better races for combat.

 

The nerd segment of the ME fanbase got theirs with Asaris.  It's time to put a blonde bimbo into the game for fans that like what's conventionally attractive.

[Laughing_Man]

I don't mind Asari being in the game.  What I don't want is another Asari squadmate.  Their bodies aren't designed for the frontlines.  We have better races for combat.

 

I suppose that by your logic FemShep and Tali stayed on the Normandy with Liara to make sandwiches for wrex?...

 

Also, biotics are more effective than muscles in a fire fight.

[Killdren88]

I suppose that by your logic FemShep and Tali stayed on the Normandy with Liara to make sandwiches for wrex?...

 

Also, biotics are more effective than muscles in a fire fight.

As someone who played Femshep more than Dude shep...the only sandwiches Femshep makes are for herself after playing football with a husk head.

[EpicNewb]

My logic is supported by an Asari that has seen plenty, Liara's mother

I suppose that by your logic FemShep and Tali stayed on the Normandy with Liara to make sandwiches for wrex?...

 

Also, biotics are more effective than muscles in a fire fight.

[Kynare]

It'd be cool if they just re-imagined them. Made them sleeker, taller, tentacles of varying shapes, more vibrantly colored, give them weird eyes, no boobs. Yeaaaaah

[Killdren88]

It'd be cool if they just re-imagined them. Made them sleeker, taller, tentacles of varying shapes, more vibrantly colored, give them weird eyes, no boobs. Yeaaaaah.

 

Don't forget the hips, perhaps add insect eyes? Make them more lanky? In fact, make them grey blobs with no discernible features.