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[CrimsonN7]

It just occured to me that Liara is the only person in the universe you can bang okay in all 3 games. Canon waifu status confirmed.

 

Only now, lol. Ah, she's great yup.

 

I would be devastated if Asari were not in the game lol I think they are very important to the ME universe and it would be a mistake to not include them. Even though there is a lot of hate for Liara, I think that was more of her character and focus in the story rather then the race.  More Asari please bioware!

 

No there isn't, she's one of the most popular squadmates in the trilogy. It's just the very loud very salty minority here on BSN who would make you think otherwise.

 

As to the original question, yes I would mind. The asari are one of the most influential races in the ME universe, deeply embedded in the galactic world stage, it would be bizarre if they were the only race removed from Andromeda. Besides asari/human relations have always been pretty good, I don't see why this wouldn't continue in the next galaxy. 

[Wulfram]

Asari need to be there.

We could certainly do with shedding some of the more misogynistic seeming aspects of their presentation, though. Like the whole stripper thing.

[wright1978]

Asari need to be there.

We could certainly do with shedding some of the more misogynistic seeming aspects of their presentation, though. Like the whole stripper thing.

 

Don't think the notion of Asari dancers should be shed. We need to see all aspects of asari from Commando through to entertainer.

[Battlebloodmage]

Asari need to be there.

We could certainly do with shedding some of the more misogynistic seeming aspects of their presentation, though. Like the whole stripper thing.

But we can still have male sexism, right? I want to see a male turian stripper. 

 

To be fair, it's practically a new team, so people should just wait and see how they approach the game. 

[Battlebloodmage]

Don't think the notion of Asari dancers should be shed. We need to see all aspects of asari from Commando through to entertainer.

My other post was semi serious, I honestly don't care about strippers if there are both genders in the game. 

[Wulfram]

Don't think the notion of Asari dancers should be shed. We need to see all aspects of asari from Commando through to entertainer.

We can have an Asari equivalent of a ballet dancer or pop star or news anchor, sure.

But pole dancers? We've had them in all three of the previous games. Featuring them again is not exploring the diversity of Asari society, its caricaturing them.

[9TailsFox]

But we can still have male sexism, right? I want to see a male turian stripper. 

 

To be fair, it's practically a new team, so people should just wait and see how they approach the game. 

[wright1978]

We can have an Asari equivalent of a ballet dancer or pop star or news anchor, sure.

But pole dancers? We've had them in all three of the previous games. Featuring them again is not exploring the diversity of Asari society, its caricaturing them.

 

We've also had a multitude of Asari characters doctors, commando's, scientists, mercs etc.

Andromeda should continue to feature exotic dancers including Asari in such establishments.

[Quarian Master Race]

Only now, lol. Ah, she's great yup.

Guess it's cause Sheps I play always back away slowly when she starts explaining in explicit detail how asari vaginas work or whatever in like the 2nd conversation I ever have with her. I mean, I like honesty and forthrightness on intentions to get horizontal as much as anyone, but tap the brakes a bit girl. For comparison, at least Tali waits until she's well and truly locked in before she starts talking about making a skin suit out of Shep postulating on how it's gonna work cross species wise.

I have done it once tho. It's not bad, cringeworthyness of the presentation in the first game and Liara getting amnesia or something in the 3rd one aside. I just forgot that VS doesn't get a DLC where you can keep up the bang train with them in the 2nd game. That's just criminal on Biower's part. They should have at least gone behind some crates on Horizon and worked all that passive aggression out, maybe with that wussbag mechanic guy fappin' in the corner or something.

[Lady Artifice]

Guess it's cause Sheps I play always back away slowly when she starts explaining in explicit detail how asari vaginas work or whatever in like the 2nd conversation I ever have with her. I mean, I like honesty and forthrightness on intentions to get horizontal as much as anyone, but tap the brakes a bit girl. For comparison, at least Tali waits until she's well and truly locked in before she starts talking about making a skin suit out of Shep postulating on how it's gonna work cross species wise.

I have done it once tho. It's not bad, cringeworthyness of the presentation in the first game and Liara getting amnesia or something in the 3rd one aside. I just forgot that VS doesn't get a DLC where you can keep up the bang train with them in the 2nd game. That's just criminal on Biower's part. They should have at least gone behind some crates on Horizon and worked all that passive aggression out, maybe with that wussbag mechanic guy fappin' in the corner or something.

 

 

I think the VS somehow being involved the arrival DLC could have improved the whole plot substantially.

 

Especially if the VS actually rescued Shepard, rather than Shepard just overwhelming the influence of the sedatives through sheer physical badassery. 

[Wulfram]

We've also had a multitude of Asari characters doctors, commando's, scientists, mercs etc.
Andromeda should continue to feature exotic dancers including Asari in such establishments.

Doctors, commandoes, scientists and mercs are actually relevant to the game and its military sci-fi premise. Pole dancers aren't, and there's no reason to drag the series fixation with them into Andromeda

[wright1978]

I think the VS somehow being involved the arrival DLC could have improved the whole plot substantially.

 

Especially if the VS actually rescued Shepard, rather than Shepard just overwhelming the influence of the sedatives through sheer physical badassery. 

 

I really dislike Arrival DLC but having the VS as a squadmate in it would have been a very good idea in a much revamped DLC.

[wright1978]

Doctors, commandoes, scientists and mercs are actually relevant to the game and its military sci-fi premise. Pole dancers aren't, and there's no reason to drag the series fixation with them into Andromeda

 

Entertainment establishments such as bars/clubs etc are also part of the sci-fi setting and they should continue to include exotic dancers rather than trying to whitewash them out of their setting.

[Fade9wayz]

We've also had a multitude of Asari characters doctors, commando's, scientists, mercs etc.

Andromeda should continue to feature exotic dancers including Asari in such establishments.

I agree, although considering everyone will be trying to establish settlements, I'm not sure there will be that many strippers among the colonists. Maybe as a side job, for old time's sake...

[themikefest]

I really dislike Arrival DLC but having the VS as a squadmate in it would have been a very good idea in a much revamped DLC.

I like the dlc, mostly the conversation with Harbinger. It would've been easy to have Ashley/Kaidan in the dlc. While Shepard is passed out for two days, Ashley/Kaidan rescue Shepard. Both fight the baddies, send the asteroid into the relay and have the Normandy pick them up.

[The Arbiter]

Wait why? Asaris are iconic dafuq?

[Giantdeathrobot]

I just want more diversity on the race's portrayal. Less Liaras and pole dancers, more Samaras and barmaid Matriarchs with potty mouths.

[wright1978]

I agree, although considering everyone will be trying to establish settlements, I'm not sure there will be that many strippers among the colonists. Maybe as a side job, for old time's sake...

 

Seems to me that frontier settlements would still feature entertainment establishments for colonists to unwind.

[9TailsFox]

I agree, although considering everyone will be trying to establish settlements, I'm not sure there will be that many strippers among the colonists. Maybe as a side job, for old time's sake...

[Laughing_Man]

Obviously all species were getting their teeth kicked in, especially the Turians on Palaven, but the Asari definitely come across as the species with the most disadvantage when it came to having experience kicking their enemy back.

 

I think it's the opposite. When it comes to guerrilla warfare the strength of the individual and the small squad is much more important than traditional military might.

 

The Turians are a good choice if you are going to fight a WW1 style trench war, or indeed the Rachni.

The discipline, the willingness to sacrifice high numbers of soldiers, and the general mindset is perfect.

 

All this is irrelevant against an endless horde of abominations and unkillable Cthulhu dreadnoughts.

 

In short, a few Asari huntresses or a Salarian special ops team are much more effective than the inflexible and lumbering mindset of the Turian war machine (and the average Turian soldier) when you fight in guerrilla warfare.

 

And even when it comes to traditional military forces, the Asari had the second largest combat ready fleet in the galaxy after the Turians IIRC.

 

We didn't :3. They thought they could keep us tied up with some upgraded toaster slaves until we blew up the one guy they sent, idiots.

For that matter, krogan are in the same boat, though they managed to blow up their homeworld without the Reapers so that's not saying much. These two have the highest mathematically possible war asset totals of anyone other than the Mary S'humans. Reapers must've been trying to pick off the weak ones first.

You also forgot these guys. Their homeworld is still a pristine paradise IIRC.

prepare to bow to your new Tech Master Race overlords and their undamaged utopia planets, lesser species.

 

You mean, Shepard had to come and save them from their own hubris, right?...

I mean, what's the most logical thing to do when the Cthulhu monsters come to eat your face? Waste resources on a new war...

 

And when the time came and the Reapers actually met the fleet of cobbled liveships re-purposed pirate vessels and ancient warships,

considering how they did against the Geth in space, they would have been torn apart in minutes.

(like any other fleet essentially, only faster due to ancient hardware)

 

If they were really that smart, they would have found a way to take their fleet into uncharted space / Andromeda and hide somewhere,

while leaving the council to their fate.

 

 

And it's rather ambiguous what happend to the Salarian home world during the war, personally if indeed they remained untouched by the Reapers,

I would suspect that it's probably due to some kind of treachery on their part.

[Onewomanarmy]

I don't mind the Asari but they could make some male strippers or men in underwear parading around, some eye candy for the women

[Han Shot First]

Don't think the notion of Asari dancers should be shed. We need to see all aspects of asari from Commando through to entertainer.

 

I agree with Wulfam to an extent. I'm not against there being something like Afterlife or Purgatory aboard the Ark, or wherever the Milky Way colonists settle, but I think the writers need to quietly pretend that it was never suggested that all Asari maidens are either mercs or dancers. Even without getting into the complaints about the all female species being a race of strippers being slightly misogynistic (somewhat legitimate, IMO), its part of the terrible Planet of Hats trope.  There can be Asari dancers, it just shouldn't be implied that it's a career path most follow at some point. 

[wright1978]

I agree with Wulfam to an extent. I'm not against there being something like Afterlife or Purgatory aboard the Ark, or wherever the Milky Way colonists settle, but I think the writers need to quietly pretend that it was never suggested that all Asari maidens are either mercs or dancers. Even without getting into the complaints about the all female species being a race of strippers being slightly misogynistic (somewhat legitimate, IMO), its part of the terrible Planet of Hats trope.  There can be Asari dancers, it just shouldn't be implied that it's a career path most follow at some point. 

 

Well i'd like to see more complex treatment of the races, like seeing some elements within the Turians who resent the whole military culture.

So yeah i think they should show different examples of Asari maidens(though Liara was a very different presentation in the games) but that shouldn't involve trying to ignore/forget the merc/dancer route existing as a possible and popular part of the journey of the vast lifespan. Talk to a dancer and find out what she job she tried previously or what they plan to do after a brief stint of dancing.

[SporkFu]

Why? Why do we care what other jobs the asari/turian/krogan/salarian/quarian/vorcha/drell/elcor/volus/human NPCs have had in their pasts? I see a turian mechanic loafing outside the garage in Port Hanshan, I have an interesting conversation with him about the snow, he refuses to give three heavily armed and dangerous looking people his garage pass, and I move on. I see a turian groundskeeper in the club on the Citadel, I ask him about fish, he mentions flowers, I move on. I don't care why they're not in the military, or if they ever were. The volus pizza dude shows up at my door, I pay for the pizza (maybe) and he goes away. The asari receptionist at the embassies is very polite and diplomatic as she informs me the nearby avina terminal would be happy to answer all the questions she's a tad busy to deal with. Great.

We saw asari C-sec officers on the Citadel, we saw an asari cop on Ilium. A krogan mechanic and a doctor on Tuchanka and a poet on Ilium. There are plenty of examples of non-stereotypical roles for the NPCs we encounter in the trilogy. Unless the asari dancer is going to join the squad yes plz, or be called upon to shoot someone or hack a lock, why do we care about her career path for the entire relatively small amount of total gametime we'll be spending in the club?

[Han Shot First]

Why? Why do we care what other jobs the asari/turian/krogan/salarian/quarian/vorcha/drell/elcor/volus/human NPCs have had in their pasts? I see a turian mechanic loafing outside the garage in Port Hanshan, I have an interesting conversation with him about the snow, he refuses to give three heavily armed and dangerous looking people his garage pass, and I move on. I see a turian groundskeeper in the club on the Citadel, I ask him about fish, he mentions flowers, I move on. I don't care why they're not in the military, or if they ever were. The volus pizza dude shows up at my door, I pay for the pizza (maybe) and he goes away. The asari receptionist at the embassies is very polite and diplomatic as she informs me the nearby avina terminal would be happy to answer all the questions she's a tad busy to deal with. Great.

We saw asari C-sec officers on the Citadel, we saw an asari cop on Ilium. A krogan mechanic and a doctor on Tuchanka and a poet on Ilium. There are plenty of examples of non-stereotypical roles for the NPCs we encounter in the trilogy. Unless the asari dancer is going to join the squad yes plz, or be called upon to shoot someone or hack a lock, why do we care about her career path for the entire relatively small amount of total gametime we'll be spending in the club?

 

It isn't that there are Asari dancers. It's that there are characters in the games that say all or most Asari become dancers or mercs as maidens.

 

Those sort of statements in the game are silly.