Asari need to be there.
We could certainly do with shedding some of the more misogynistic seeming aspects of their presentation, though. Like the whole stripper thing.
I don't disagree with the notion of removing the strippers, but it is in no way misogynistic in any sense of the word. People should really stop throwing words around until they comprehend their meaning.
I am waiting to see the intro to ME be a cinematic on board the ark, with asari flight attendants in skimpy 70s uniforms.
Drell were made as a fanservice race as well, that was explicitly stated. I wonder why we haven't seen countless threads asking to either remove them completely or radically change their design like we have with Asari?
Um, there were a total of three drell in the entire series. There weren't even nameless drell NPCs on the Citadel. One of the three drell was made into a romance for women, so I guess that counts as fanservice. Whereas most of the strippers in the game (and why are there so many strippers around?) are asari. Samara is fanservice by being a tough justicar who means business!...with her shirt unbuttoned to her navel. Very professional.
I wouldn't mind seeing Asari, as long as they're not consorts or call girls or "exotic" dancers or stalker squadmates. Give me someone like Aria or Tela Vasir or Enyala all the way!
Yeah give them more varied roles. Hopefully we just won't see any dancers, as that seems superfluous to a colonial mission to a new galaxy. But if the Western in Space theme from the trailer continues, I bet they will be saloon girls and dancers.
Like it or not, the Asari are a huge part of the Mass Effect universe. Personally, I'd prefer that they drop the whole presumption that the Species is somehow magically appealing to absolutely everyone, regardless of species/gender/orientation, because it's a little silly, but they have also contributed to some cool parts of the lore.
I like Ardat Yakshi, partly because Morinth's quest was fun.
This assumes that the move to Andromeda involves the possibility of humans leaving the other species behind. For all we know, the Asari or the Salarians might be the primary force effecting the move to Andromeda, and all the other species, including humans, are tagging along.
It would be hilarious if all of the asari in MEA were ardat yakshi. The ark left prior to ME3, and the asari high command thought they could survive the Reapers, but what better way to get rid of their troublesome vampires than to ship them off to another galaxy? Then any time someone tried to romance one, zap!
Although I think your post is needless obnoxious, the statement that most, if not all, races in the Mass Effect universe are basically a certain stereotype of human history is not false.
Making them to be truly unique and alien would be all well and good, but there are simpler things that can bring improvements on that front. As I said, I'm currently replaying Mass Effect and another thing that called my attention (again) is a dialogue you can have with the Hanar salesman in the market district. Shepard inquires about why Hanar speaks that way and the Hanar answers something in the lines of: it's in our culture, Hanar are like that. Point is, not only it feels like a codex entry istead of a real conversation (something that happens in ME1 a lot, particularly with Tali and Liara) but it also creates a sense of a homogeneous race.
Talking about Codex entries, I also believe they have a share of guilty in what can be peceived as a problem with how the Mass Effect races are written. Want to know about the Asari? Well, they live in city states, live like this and do that kind of stuff. Turians? Well, here what they are about. And the Salarians are like medieval societies.
More than flash out the galaxy, I think they restrict imagination and possibilities. Sure enough, bombarding the player with texts is a effective way to deliver information, but also a very simple one. Maybe in Andromeda, will all its mysteries, Bioware can try something different.
Yeah the planet of hats thing is a failing of most sci-fi.
Yeah, but we hear equally silly things being said about young folks today. It's not like all the kids today are sending nude selfies to each other all the time, right? We weren't supposed to read those statements literally.It isn't that there are Asari dancers. It's that there are characters in the games that say all or most Asari become dancers or mercs as maidens.
Those sort of statements in the game are silly.
Yeah, but we hear equally silly things being said about young folks today. It's not like all] the kids today are sending nude selfies to each other all the time, right? We weren't supposed to read those statements literally.
That's how I take it in game, but I don't think that is the writer's intent. I think they're serious when they delve into the Planet of Hats trope.
Yeah, but we hear equally silly things being said about young folks today. It's not like all] the kids today are sending nude selfies to each other all the time, right? We weren't supposed to read those statements literally.
You know, Matriarch Aethyta's words in ME2 about how the Aasari were being foolish reminded me a lot of that kind of criticism. "Young people today...".
It just occured to me that Liara is the only person in the universe you can bang okay in all 3 games. Canon waifu status confirmed.
If think if we avoid the entire notion of
"I don't like X therefore X should be eliminated"
and use a much better
"I think X should be revised because:
1) Non-personal in-game reason
2) Plot reason
3) Gameplay reason"
This forum would be a much better place. Though I'm not holding my breath over that.
I realized that people able to formulate a critic clear from their personal bias and judgements are indeed rare.
I'm not sure if that is direct at the op, so I'll just say that all those three are deeply personal. It's my experience that no matter how bad a gameplay feature is to me, I'll eventually find someone who likes them.
To the Asari situation, I tried to explain my point of view. It's hardly fits "I don't like X therefore X should be eliminated". Many people seem to agree my points are valid.
And although if I had the power I would not have the Asari in Andromeda, I wouldn't go as far as say they have to be removed. They do work in the frame of the Mass Effect games, and some Asari are among my favorite characters: Tela Vasir for one, is my favorite antagonist in the trilogy.
Yes. Yes I would mind.
I love me some blue space lesbians.
And although if I had the power I would not have the Asari in Andromeda, I wouldn't go as far as say they have to be removed. They do work in the frame of the Mass Effect games, and some Asari are among my favorite characters: Tela Vasir for one, is my favorite antagonist in the trilogy.
How magnanimous of you.
no i would not mind, Asari are one of more cringe worthy aspects of the ME lore.
The problem I have with the Asari is their absurdly long lifespan. Something they share with Krogan.
People saying they are 'just fanservice' are missing something. Sure, that's how they were conceived, but look how they were implemented. On Asari worlds, women, real human women, the voice actresses, are given the opportunity to have a huge range of roles to play in a video game. The strippers are not even voiced. The voiced ones range from desk clerks to generals, servers, mercs, gang leaders, police officers, soldiers and so on. Many of these roles, when in human areas would be mostly men.
Seems a positive portrayal of women when you consider that, no?
But yeah, their lore is silly.
The problem I have with the Asari is their absurdly long lifespan. Something they share with Krogan.
People saying they are 'just fanservice' are missing something. Sure, that's how they were conceived, but look how they were implemented. On Asari worlds, women, real human women, the voice actresses, are given the opportunity to have a huge range of roles to play in a video game. The strippers are not even voiced. The voiced ones range from desk clerks to generals, servers, mercs, gang leaders, police officers, soldiers and so on. Many of these roles, when in human areas would be mostly men.
Seems a positive portrayal of women when you consider that, no?
But yeah, their lore is silly.
I actually think their lore became interesting once Samara came into the series. She was their attempt to elevate the race from fan service to something deeper and more interesting. And to this day, I feel she's an important female character for Bioware.
edit- and let me say, I think Liara is more than fanservice as well because she plays a major role in the first game. A pure fanservice character doesn't do that.
I actually think their lore became interesting once Samara came into the series. She was their attempt to elevate the race from fan service to something deeper and more interesting. And to this day, I feel she's an important female character for Bioware.
edit- and let me say, I think Liara is more than fanservice as well because she plays a major role in the first game. A pure fanservice character doesn't do that.
Yes fanservice character can play major role.
Gray Fullbuster.
Same with Lucy Heartfilia.
I'd like to keep Asari strippers/dancers in the series.
It adds a sense of realism. Irl military personnel often hang out in ****** bars.
The problem I have with the Asari is their absurdly long lifespan. Something they share with Krogan.
Honestly that always bugged me too.
I can get it with the Krogan; they are an inhumanly durable species that can boast of advantages such as redundant organs, so their absurd lifespan is explainable.
The Asari do not. Apart from being more powerful biotics than usual, nothing in their biology seems to be special in any way, yet they somehow manage to life for a thousand years regardless. Is it because they are meant to be space elves or something?
The Asari do not. Apart from being more powerful biotics than usual, nothing in their biology seems to be special in any way, yet they somehow manage to life for a thousand years regardless. Is it because they are meant to be space elves or something?
No. Why would you ever say that? Because...other BSN members said it?
I wouldn't call Liara major. Every characters in the game plays important roles too; Kaidan being briefly Joker's co-pilot and Shepard's officer and confidant, Ashley who lead Shepard to the Eden Prime beacon, Wrex and Garrus who have leads to Tali who eventually give Shepard the incriminating evidence against Saren. If you pick her up last, Liara only mindmeld with Shepard and drop Ilos on the team. She is important but I wouldn't call her major.
They did voice an Asari dancer in ME2. The one who was harassed by the Turian. They also voice Asari prostitutes in Azure. Using the Asari as positive portrayal for woman in general is really overreaching. If I could live for over a few century, I wouldn't spend most of my alien-equivalent of young adult years being mercenaries or strippers.
I wouldn't call Liara major. Every characters in the game plays important roles too; Kaidan being briefly Joker's co-pilot and Shepard's officer and confidant, Ashley who lead Shepard to the Eden Prime beacon, Wrex and Garrus who have leads to Tali who eventually give Shepard the incriminating evidence against Saren. If you pick her up last, Liara only mindmeld with Shepard and drop Ilos on the team. She is important but I wouldn't call her major.
They did voice an Asari dancer in ME2. The one who was harassed by the Turian. They also voice Asari prostitutes in Azure. Using the Asari as positive portrayal for woman in general is really overreaching. If I could live for over a few century, I wouldn't spend most of my alien-equivalent of young adult years being mercenaries or strippers.
If people were Asari, many would do exactly that.
The human equivalent is a party girl who goes all out in her young adult years
I would mind if most of the races were excluded. I feel there is enough narrative leniency to allow members of every race, regardless of decisions made in the previous trilogy, to be included.
I wouldn't call Liara major. Every characters in the game plays important roles too; Kaidan being briefly Joker's co-pilot and Shepard's officer and confidant, Ashley who lead Shepard to the Eden Prime beacon, Wrex and Garrus who have leads to Tali who eventually give Shepard the incriminating evidence against Saren. If you pick her up last, Liara only mindmeld with Shepard and drop Ilos on the team. She is important but I wouldn't call her major.
They did voice an Asari dancer in ME2. The one who was harassed by the Turian. They also voice Asari prostitutes in Azure. Using the Asari as positive portrayal for woman in general is really overreaching. If I could live for over a few century, I wouldn't spend most of my alien-equivalent of young adult years being mercenaries or strippers.
In that case what are some characters, apart from Shepard, that you would hold up as an examples of major characters?
If people were Asari, many would do exactly that.
The human equivalent is a party girl who goes all out in her young adult years
The problem with that comparison is that being a mercenary is life endangering work.
The whole idea of a the average young adult choosing the roughest and most perilous job they can find, it's not something that makes sense as standard majority behavior. Some Asari doing that, okay, but they depict that as the norm.
Asari civilization would completely collapse if you had most of the youth concentrated into two completely non-essential career paths. That isn't even without getting into the ridiculousness of there being a demand for billions of mercs or dancers.
Bad writing is bad.
The problem with that comparison is that being a mercenary is life endangering work.
The whole idea of a the average young adult choosing the roughest and most perilous job they can find, it's not something that makes sense as standard majority behavior. Some Asari doing that, okay, but they depict that as the norm.
...which is pretty stupid because there's not enough pole dancing jobs and merc jobs in the galaxy for all the maidens (who number in the billions). I find it hard to believe that there is demand for billions of mercs or dancers.
Edit. Ninjad 
It makes sense to me.
There are plenty of beings in the galaxy that deserve to die. Does the Asari population involved in merc work outnumber the total sum that deserve to die?
Asari are unique. I believe they can be banged by the majority of species if not all. The number of beings that can have carnal desires towards Asari surely must outnumber the total population of Blues.
In that case what are some characters, apart from Shepard, that you would hold up as an examples of major characters?
Joker
If people were Asari, many would do exactly that.
The human equivalent is a party girl who goes all out in her young adult years
In retrospective, my young adult years are pretty boring. studying and reading mostly. Not really a fan of clubs. Dirty places that smell of urine and smoke. urgh... kinda amazing how people like being in public lavatory. Honestly, the most interesting person I talk to in a club was the cleaners.
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One of things I like about ME3 was the depiction of Asari's soldiers. We hardly see much of them in the first two games except for the few Asari in the Pinnacle Station and the Martriarch and pilot in Destiny Ascension. At the monastery, you can see how the commando can be quite ruthless and I particularly enjoy Thessia and watch the commandos in action.
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