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If we must have an Asari squaddie, a commando or former one would be ideal for showing as many facets of the race as possible
We had Liara the nerd
Aria the gangster
Samara the warrior monk/Samara's daughter the monster
It'd only make sense they assign a commando to our squad if our colonization of Andromeda is a joint species expedition.
In the scenario that it isn't we could pick up the surviving member of a group of Asari commandos that got their asses handed to them in Adromeda
Can't Mass Effect follow a different path?
Would love having someone like that deeply traumatized Asari commando in the hospital as a squadmate. Watch her develop and crack under pressure and its all your prerogative to help her or to drive her to the edge.
Yes I would mind. I would be pretty angry if they don't return
Mmmm yes, I've been having the same though about this. We need something fresh and new, a bacon in the darkness. Like get rid of thermal clip and the old ma project system and bring back old fashioned lead bullets, and we need to bring in some attack choppers (everyone loves attack choppers) mmmmmm, then we need to get rid of biotics haha cause that **** if ridiculous hahaha mmmmm. Final but not last I think Biowarfare need some help from activison to optimize the weapon gameplay, we need Ma:a to get MLG asap. Mmmmm yes
Laser/plasma revolver.
I was replaying Mass Effect today and was just made Spectre. Nothing new here, I done this any number of times. But everytime I'm "discovering" the citadel I find it funny to realize again the primary role of the Asari: to be a fanservice race. A race that can play the role of human women almost to the letter while still being an alien. A race that anyone can romance.
The Art of the Mass Effect universe pretty much says this:
To add a familar element of science-fiction fantasy, we decided one of the main species in Mass Effect would be a race of beautiful, blue alien girls. An extensive exploration of the idfea led to the asari appearing exotic and alien while still having some human qualities, which allowed them to be desirible as potential love interests.
As it says, Mass Effect is not the only science fiction work to do this. But can't this change in Andromeda? Can't Mass Effect follow a different path?
A lot of people complain about a human centric story, but the Asari make for a human centric universe. Why there are only human and Asari working as strippers? Becase that is what a human would like to see, that's why. A Turian or a Salarian are not attractive as an Asari is, but from a in-universe perpective, it makes as much sense having them taking their clothes off as it makes a human or an Asari.
Bioware tried to explain this a bit with in-univese lore, like different spcies arguing the Asari looked attractive to all of them and in ME3 dropping some info that could lead to the not far fetched conclusion that the Protheans modified the Asari to be their sex slaves. But I'd argue that when a race is introduced in a sci-fi work with such a shallow function, every attempt to develop then further will have a reduced success.
Of course, that's how I see it. And for that reason I wouldn't mind at all if Bioware tried something more... modern in Andromeda. What you guys think?
For better or worse, Asari are part of the ME universe and I don't want to see them removed. I'm not overly fond of their species but I don't hate them. I guess I just don't really fall in love with fan service races. I feel the same about the Drell. I prefer fleshed out individuals over stereotypes.
On the bright side, Andromeda provides an awesome opportunity for the developers to distance themselves from the juvenile stereotypes they created. Were starting over with, most likely, only a limited number of representatives from each Milky Way species. There's really no reason to drag the strippers along to Andromeda. Hopefully, we'll see Asari characters written with the idea that they were chosen to go on the voyage for what they can contribute to the ark/colonies/whatever and not chosen for how sexy they appear. I'll even go out on a limb and hope the creators turn some of the stereotypes on their head.
Alternatively, the developers could also distance themselves from their creation by minimizing their role in the story. Perhaps the other races strip power from them after finding out how they hid the Prothean beacon. Whatever they decide to do, I hope they don't continue down the same well-worn space babe path with them.
Joker
You think joker is more of a major character than Liara?
Why not? He's the first crew you hear in ME1 and he pilot the Normandy. He mutinied with Shepard and stole Normandy.. twice. He lead the attack to finish off Sovereign. Shepard died to save him. He's the first familiar face who joined Shepard for the suicide mission and joined Cerberus because of Shepard. He saved the Normandy from the Collectors. He took Normandy through the Omega-4 relay. He was incarcerated on Earth with Shepard for six months. He rescued Shepard countless of times with the Normandy. He love the Normandy as much as Shepard does, and more with EDI. In all ending where the Normandy survive, he's the first person to walk out from the crash. He's the first and last person you see in the trilogy.
Try taking out Joker from Mass Effect and replace him with a dialogue-less faceless crew member and the whole trilogy will fall apart. Much of the major arcs involved him and whether you like him or not, he represent the Normandy. Like really... there's no Shepard without Joker. Very literally.
Guess it's cause Sheps I play always back away slowly when she starts explaining in explicit detail how asari vaginas work or whatever in like the 2nd conversation I ever have with her. I mean, I like honesty and forthrightness on intentions to get horizontal as much as anyone, but tap the brakes a bit girl. For comparison, at least Tali waits until she's well and truly locked in before she starts
talking about making a skin suit out of Sheppostulating on how it's gonna work cross species wise.
I'd like to keep Asari strippers/dancers in the series.
It adds a sense of realism. Irl military personnel often hang out in ****** bars.
In real life they see human women dancing/stripping not ugly looking aliens
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If we must have an Asari squaddie, a commando or former one would be ideal for showing as many facets of the race as possible
We had Liara the nerd
Aria the gangster
Samara the warrior monk/Samara's daughter the monster
It'd only make sense they assign a commando to our squad if our colonization of Andromeda is a joint species expedition.
In the scenario that it isn't we could pick up the surviving member of a group of Asari commandos that got their asses handed to them in Adromeda
Yeah i'd very much like an asari commando, but then i always liked Shiala and wished she'd had a bigger role.
Why not? He's the first crew you hear in ME1 and he pilot the Normandy. He mutinied with Shepard and stole Normandy.. twice. He lead the attack to finish off Sovereign. Shepard died to save him. He's the first familiar face who joined Shepard for the suicide mission and joined Cerberus because of Shepard. He saved the Normandy from the Collectors. He took Normandy through the Omega-4 relay. He was incarcerated on Earth with Shepard for six months. He rescued Shepard countless of times with the Normandy. He love the Normandy as much as Shepard does, and more with EDI. In all ending where the Normandy survive, he's the first person to walk out from the crash. He's the first and last person you see in the trilogy.
Try taking out Joker from Mass Effect and replace him with a dialogue-less faceless crew member and the whole trilogy will fall apart. Much of the major arcs involved him and whether you like him or not, he represent the Normandy. Like really... there's no Shepard without Joker. Very literally.
Honestly? I wouldn't mind them not returning, but I don't see that happening given how pivotal to the Milky Way galactic society they are. I don't hate them, but I also feel they're one of the weaker species in the series.
Yes please! those blueskins are a menace to the galaxy.
In real life they see human women dancing/stripping not ugly looking aliens
If by "ugly looking aliens" you mean "aliens that conveniently look like human women, painted blue" then you are correct.
If by "ugly looking aliens" you mean "aliens that conveniently look like human women, painted blue" then you are correct.
I don't mean that. I mean they're ugly looking no matter what species they look like.
Asari civilization would completely collapse if you had most of the youth concentrated into two completely non-essential career paths. That isn't even without getting into the ridiculousness of there being a demand for billions of mercs or dancers.
Bad writing is bad.
So what you are basically saying is that Joker is Bioware's writers pet, and not Liara?
Joker is what was considered as a major supporting character inside the narrative structure. Since Shepard is an interactive main character being subjected to a lot of conflicting variables, you need to have a constant for the narrative to work and in this case it was Joker and the Normandy. As I said earlier, without him supporting the narrative structure, the general narrative will break. Without Joker who we could empathize to as the pilot, SSV Normandy will be just a space boat you drop on and off from.
Liara is a supporting character that could be expendable if the writers allows it. Her presence and significance could be easily rewritten over because she is a very loosely-written character from ME1. Liara's revelation of Ilos could have gone a lot of ways, Shiala could have given that information because she also hold the cipher and the memories of the Protheans and even the Rachni Queen could have hinted what was important about the Mu relay. In ME2, her role as quest giver for Thane and Samara could be optional too since you recruit most of your squadmate without that. LOTSB is optional and Shadow Broker could even still be alive in ME3 without any major consequences. The Crucible blueprint was inside an Alliance facility and an Alliance scientist someone like Dr Bryson could have access to them. Her "pet" status was born because she primarily existed as a love interest and minor plot device (with everyone else, they're plot device first and love interest as secondary) and it became worse in ME3. But that being said, I still wish Sylvia Feketekuty was involved with Liara from the start.
I honestly don't care for them or see their appeal. They also remind me of Dalish Elves in Dragon Age. Living on a lie and remaining mostly in denial of the truth. That said, there are a few Asari I liked in ME, but not because they were Asari, but because of their personalities. And I agree with Joker's joke (my Shepard can go to hell for snapping at him). Stop shaking your butt and start fighting like you were meant to! Liara is probably the only really decent Asari who never followed the others path by becoming a stripper, made something of herself and proved they had what it takes to be powerful fighters. I also respected Vasir despite her choices.
Asari are the Twi'leks of Mass Effect. They are going to return, whether you like it or not. Don't forget, the Asari were the lead race in the Milky Way, and they were one of the main races to build the ARC program.
They are obviously the obligatory sexy alien babes for the sci fi fantasy. I don't really care why they were originally introduced as long as the history behind them and their culture is well-developed and makes sense.
Liara went to an asari university, I doubt she was there alone or that it was filled with alien students. Vasir found her degree and the prestige of the university remarkable but not that she worked on a degree.
But yeah this stripper or merc thing is cringeworthy.
Joker is what was considered as a major supporting character inside the narrative structure.
Sorry, but that is only because that is the way he was written. You can't argue that Liara is only supporting and can be easily written out and not Joker, because he could also easily be written out. Any character could.
Personally I hate the way Joker is forced on me from the start, stalks me even after death to fly my new ship (and I have no choice but to let him), I'm automatically best buds with him, have mandatory scenes with him where i can;t tell him to go away or get off my ship etc- let alone he is the only character in ME which you can play apart from Shepard and he gets his own entire level (Bioware's special little snowflake in fact!).
I.e. all the arguments used against Liara.
You mean, Shepard had to come and save them from their own hubris, right?...
I mean, what's the most logical thing to do when the Cthulhu monsters come to eat your face? Waste resources on a new war...
And when the time came and the Reapers actually met the fleet of cobbled liveships re-purposed pirate vessels and ancient warships,
considering how they did against the Geth in space, they would have been torn apart in minutes.
(like any other fleet essentially, only faster due to ancient hardware)
If they were really that smart, they would have found a way to take their fleet into uncharted space / Andromeda and hide somewhere,
while leaving the council to their fate.
And it's rather ambiguous what happend to the Salarian home world during the war, personally if indeed they remained untouched by the Reapers,
I would suspect that it's probably due to some kind of treachery on their part.
Our own hubris created the Reapers? That we even needed any "saving" is debatable anyway, but that certainly isn't the reason for going beyond the Veil (Hackett/Shepard asks for our help against the Reapers, not the other way round). You decided to launch that fountain of nonsense in response to a simple, factual observation?
I would deconstruct this tirade of fallacious antiquarian butthurt like I usually do, pointing to things like Specter terminal messages describing when the pilgrims are recalled and quarian invasion of the Veil begins (before the Reapers really arrive on the quarians radar), codex and War Asset entries describing in detail how formidable, tactically and technologically advanced (including cutting edge stealth and advanced cyberwarfare capabilities) the Migrant Fleet's military is etc, but I can't be bothered to educate you on the lore of a faction you are so obviously devoted to hating on for some reason. Suffice it to say that the war against the geth was entirely necessary for the quarians to contribute to the Reaper War, and you telling me that it would be a good plan for the quarians to run away and cower from the Reapers for hundreds of years, when they are perfectly aware that the quarians exist, are among the most technologically advanced species of this cycle, whose planet of hats is literally creating the problem the Reapers were created to solve (advanced synthetics), and finally that one of them was a crucial and even mandatory part of the A-Team that has foiled their plans on two separate occasions is laughable logic. Watching the Council burn for 300 years of racist scapegoating might be fun for a bit, until the Reapers start coming for us with more than just a Destroyer and an army of toaster slaves.
There's no evidence of salarian "treachery" unlike with say the geth, for instance. Arguably there's pettiness if you cure the genophage, but in my game they send their fleets against the Reapers and unquestioningly help kill them all the same. Are you butthurt against them for some reason too? What did they ever do to your precious asari besides save them when they couldn't defeat the Rachni.....then again when the same happened with the Krogan.
As an aside, though I don't really care much about this e-boob measuring contest, and in fact I like the asari apart from certain juvenile aspects of their presentation (huge number of strippers and prostitutes that are attractive to and can mate with everything with a pulse), I'd also like to point out specifically the irony of you previously telling me that the quarians are supposedly the worst fighters ever because they die from papercuts (even tho they get shot all the time in multiple canon ME works), and saying that none of them belong in any form of combat at all, because of a misinterpretation of an single ambiguous line from Kal'Reegar about lacking sufficient medical supplies for a huge army. Subesequently, here you are defending the asari to the death as unquestionably the greatest warfighting force the galaxy has ever known despite the fact that one Commando on the Citadel literally states verbaitum "our people are terrible at waging war!", (as if being a bit player in the Rachni Wars and Krogan Rebellions weren't evidence enough of that). But you're not a fanboi or anything, nope. 
Shots fired, babby. 
I would prefer if the Asari was not in the next game but I think that is never gonna happen.
My biggest problem is that I just find the Asari uninteresting and boring.
I wouldn't want to lose that kind of connection to the original ME by having any race just excluded from now on. I'd even be annoyed if Batarians didn't at least put in an appearance.
...Okay, well maybe I don't mind if Geth don't come back, but only because their original, actually interesting incarnation got completely wiped in ME3.
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