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#76
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I actually spec into the large shield and I am quite happy with it :lol:

The caveat is that it is a highly situational power IMO; I don't spam it, and I place it only when I think there is a reason to do so: reviving a teammate, protecting a device, blocking a potential spawn's LoS are the most obvious. Atlases and Praetorians also get a faceful of portable wall; especially if there is height difference, I find the small shield to be too unreliable. Teammates are welcome to enjoy the new RHA I provide for them, as I am always careful to leave enough space to shoot from.

Last but definitely not least, with the shock evolution it will stagger dragoons :devil: . Nothing like deploying it in a corridor on cerberus gold wave 7 and watch the lemmings rush through it and become sitting ducks. Also very very useful during cerberus' extractions, to protect your back during those... ahem, mad dashes :D to the EZ.

 

And if you haven't yet, give the Lancer a shot on the Jugg: no ramp up, no need for ammo boxes, primes well, and is light enough to keep spamming siege pulse for detonations.

 

Yeah, I don't mind the smaller shield except for the fact that it's too narrow in most situations where I would need the shield in the first place. I have seen players who don't think about where they are setting the shield and players who will actually replace/shift the large shield when they see it getting in the way of allies.

 

I tried the Lancer (only at level 1) on the Juggy but it also suffers from off-host lag such that you have to stop firing long before you reach '0'.



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No, not really. Had to learn Gold without lol stimpack, scrub matrix or heavy metal melee, because I didn't have TGI and Retaliation wasn't out yet when I was learning Gold. But when it did come out, heavy melee Jug is one thing I wasn't even from the start. Not that I have anything against only heavy melee Jugs. Easier headshots.

 

I was checking my N7HQ and I don't even have the medals for GI, TGI, AIU extractions/waves.

 

Since I specc'd the GI as a mirror Geth Hunter, I'm having more fun with it. God, that thing melts things like no one's business while at the same time being fun and stylish to use.



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I actually spec into the large shield and I am quite happy with it :lol:

The caveat is that it is a highly situational power IMO; I don't spam it, and I place it only when I think there is a reason to do so: reviving a teammate, protecting a device, blocking a potential spawn's LoS are the most obvious. Atlases and Praetorians also get a faceful of portable wall; especially if there is height difference, I find the small shield to be too unreliable. Teammates are welcome to enjoy the new RHA I provide for them, as I am always careful to leave enough space to shoot from.

Last but definitely not least, with the shock evolution it will stagger dragoons :devil: . Nothing like deploying it in a corridor on cerberus gold wave 7 and watch the lemmings rush through it and become sitting ducks. Also very very useful during cerberus' extractions, to protect your back during those... ahem, mad dashes :D to the EZ.

 

And if you haven't yet, give the Lancer a shot on the Jugg: no ramp up, no need for ammo boxes, primes well, and is light enough to keep spamming siege pulse for detonations.

 

I'm intrigued as to how you find the smaller shield less reliable. I agree that Siege Pulse can be iffy off-host, but can't think of an example of difficulty with the shield. You'll never persuade me that the bigger shield is better than a 10% damage boost, but for the sake of a fun discussion I'll say that I don't doubt that you are considerate with it, but I still don't get why you think it's better than the small version, or indeed why you might perceive that your teammates might prefer it. Trust me, the competent ones won't.  :P

 

The thing you describe on wave 7 with Cerberus is exactly what I would do with the small shield, but I wouldn't be blocking off the whole corridor for others. Also, blocking LoS from spawns - I'm sorry, but again, you can do that better with the small shield, because blocking LoS works both ways. Even the 'sprint' to the EZ works better with the small shield, walking backwards. And as for reviving a teammate, I have to say I regard the bigger option as complete overkill.

 

I guess what I'm saying is that even when you think you're using the big shield responsibly, you will almost certainly be reducing your teammates' effectiveness. With the caveat that we're assuming teammates who don't need a Jugg on the team to survive on Gold.

 

And all this talk of being out in the open is slightly amusing to me, because it's the 'out in the open' Puggernauts who are usually the worst, so I regard the big shield as a kind of facilitator for learning bad habits. I don't think it can do anything the small shield can't do in a less annoying fashion. But I do like the Lancer on him, so we won't fall out over it!  ;)


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I leave when pugging if:

 

* Lag, lag lag, unless I have a kit that can make a go of it without being a liability

 

* Lobby is preset (I always prefer U/U) If lobby is U/U I tend to put up with shenanigans from other pugs

 

* Edibots with reegars ..boring

 

* Flamers unless Ive played with them before and they know how to use it. Burning down the house is nice but not when I cant see what Im trying to shoot at wave after wave ....With a GT and a Vorcha together I will always leave

 

* People are ready to play but refuse to ready up (Did you really buy this game just to sit in a lobby forever?)

 

* That rare combination of low level pugs who have chosen kits that are so not synergistic to each other you know its a failed match and Im not in a mood to solo and be superman

 

* A pug name Ive played with before who has given me lag

 

* If I GiP into a map and die before I can actually do anything

 

* A modded game I dont recognize. I have hosted modded games but always announce in lobby to all players whats happening, some will stay for a few games and ask for FL afterwards

 

Other than that, I dont really care who does what or uses kits, if less than optimal to get extraction is the challenge, dont need credits

 

I find it amusing that you can have a team that does well for the 1st 7 waves then falls apart for waves 8, 9, 10 what the hell changed?

* If I GiP with more than Wave 3, I want to play a full match if possible

* When lolreegar with Inced4, typically players bringing this to gold are just score whores who wont do objectives, use that on Plat where its needed

* Might leave if host is not playing objectives, if Im host Ill tell a player to help and if ignored then I leave no matter what wave it is and force a host migration


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I skip the turret

 

Heal Turret comes in very handy because you can spam it to reset it's healing cooldown. This tactic saved my Jugs bacon enough times during Platinum solo with Reeger while I was trying to get away from much pew pew. It also comes with agro dump abilities. What's not to like.

 

 

These day I glitch my Jug just so I can get that measly 10% Hex Shield dmg bonus (lol). Otherwise before I used to just take 1 point out of Siege Pulse for 3 points in Hex Shield (3 points in Hex is really all that's needed unless you're greedy and want that 10% dmg bonus with duration Hex Shield).

 

Skipping hex shield is also not an option. Being able to have right hand advantage wherever you please is too sweet too pass up. And if that RHA comes with 10% epeen boost, well, excellent. I look at that 10% boost as a counter to the negative 15% epeen blow that is 6b fitness power transfer or whatever it's called.

 

I also think it's time for a Jug change. Thinking of 5a + 6a fitness combo and see how fast that jug can really walk.


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I skip the turret

Skipping it is fine, saying it's useless is going to get you this:

 

[X] NOPE.

 

 

It's time I took the large shield option and see how it works out.

Best troll power in the game, more frustrating to your squad than spamming Flamer behind them.

 

If you learn to place it with real finesse, you will set it so that they can't shoot the enemies through it, but the splash damage from the enemy hits on the shield will hurt them.

 

 

Seriously though I have never understood the whole I'm going to bring an Avenger into the game ....

A lot of us play the challenges, so we're gonna do stuff like that.


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My Jugs main offensive power is the H4x shield synch kill. Always fun to watch a phantom or hunter's life get drained in 2 seconds. Other than that the Wraith is extremely good.

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I'm intrigued as to how you find the smaller shield less reliable. I agree that Siege Pulse can be iffy off-host, but can't think of an example of difficulty with the shield. You'll never persuade me that the bigger shield is better than a 10% damage boost, but for the sake of a fun discussion I'll say that I don't doubt that you are considerate with it, but I still don't get why you think it's better than the small version, or indeed why you might perceive that your teammates might prefer it. Trust me, the competent ones won't.  :P

 

The thing you describe on wave 7 with Cerberus is exactly what I would do with the small shield, but I wouldn't be blocking off the whole corridor for others. Also, blocking LoS from spawns - I'm sorry, but again, you can do that better with the small shield, because blocking LoS works both ways. Even the 'sprint' to the EZ works better with the small shield, walking backwards. And as for reviving a teammate, I have to say I regard the bigger option as complete overkill.

 

I guess what I'm saying is that even when you think you're using the big shield responsibly, you will almost certainly be reducing your teammates' effectiveness. With the caveat that we're assuming teammates who don't need a Jugg on the team to survive on Gold.

 

And all this talk of being out in the open is slightly amusing to me, because it's the 'out in the open' Puggernauts who are usually the worst, so I regard the big shield as a kind of facilitator for learning bad habits. I don't think it can do anything the small shield can't do in a less annoying fashion. But I do like the Lancer on him, so we won't fall out over it!  ;)

 

 

You make all reasonable points, I suspect the answer to that is that it boils down to personal preference... and I am a tortoise, so of course I prefer the big shield :lol:   Before settling on the big shield, I found Atlases difficult to tackle, and pretorians lasers often would hit me. I also did try to take advantage of the 10% damage boost, but to me, it just interfered with the siege pulse spamming: I run with three shots for increased damage, and I do like to relocate, so I'd have to redeploy the shield too often for my taste. I prefer to have simpler cooldown mechanics with the Jugg, it's already annoying enough to haul it around the map.

 

I have never had teammates nuking my shield or shooting at it to take it down - something I do when juggernauts place it poorly, so I at least think I am minimizing the ill-effects of it :P

 

You are most right in mentioning that with a good team, the shield is never needed - bar the rare device or something like the hack in the reactor on wave 10. I do have matches where I don't use it at all, and that is usually a very good sign :)

When I end up deploying it a lot however, it's usually because the team is weak or inexperienced, and then it does come in handy. I certainly do not feel like clutching waves with the jugg, so for example when the team is drawn into a firefight in the middle of condor, or on any other open part of a map, I either let them bleed out, or wade in there and take my personal cover with me. Bonus point: by creating enough cover around me, sometimes I can regroup (herd?) the team towards a more tenable position (I don't use a mic).

 

As for being out in the open, I try to avoid it if I can, but sometimes if you want to keep the team alive, you have to bite the bullet and get out there.

 

Your reasons are quite convincing though, I might burn a respec card and go 5 in the shield and 3 in the turret, and see how I like it - the hipster tortoise in me says not to hold your breath though :P

 

Glad to hear you like the Lancer on it, for me it fits like a glove with my playstyle.

 

I also want to mention I try never to heavy melee anything - if I need shields, I will pop an op pack ;)

 

And OT: I only leave if there are two high CP/N7 reegar AIUs, an Harrier TGI with AC5, or if the enemy is preset to Cerberus :)


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I breathe excellence and ****** Ultra rares. Me being in the lobby makes it OP.

Seriously though I have never understood the whole I'm going to bring an Avenger into the game

Heh. Heheh. Muawhahahaaaaa!

Sinful/Fuen/Teabaggin/AHF tell him. Drellvenger aint no joke.
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I might burn a respec card and go 5 in the shield and 3 in the turret, and see how I like it ....

 

The turret isn't very much use with only 3 ranks, it starts being helpful at 4 ranks and can keep the whole team alive and dealing damage at 6. I respectfully suggest that if you try it with 3 ranks you will consider it a waste of time. 


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The turret isn't very much use with only 3 ranks, it starts being helpful at 4 ranks and can keep the whole team alive and dealing damage at 6. I respectfully suggest that if you try it with 3 ranks you will consider it a waste of time. 

 

Sorry for momentarily derailing this into a Juggernaut topic :wacko: Thank you for your insight, which is much appreciated!  :) I have never deployed the turret on the Jugg actually. If and when I will respec, I will make sure to go at least to rank 4, and see how it meshes with my playstyle, before deciding if it's worth going all the way to 6!

 


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^ You never have to worry about derailing Sinful topics. What Sinful topics are for.


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^ You never have to worry about derailing Sinful topics. What Sinful topics are for.

Yeah, we got that.



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For some reason i don't like seeing AIU's and harriers

 

I seethe at their smells when they are in my lobby

I can tolerate most op classes like the GI, That sweet metal arse  :wub: 

I don't really like to fight geth at all Unless im using the venom, They are too cute to fight. :( but,

I will not hesitate to smack them on the bum for betraying their pink geth brethen. 



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I avoid male kit lobbies.

 

^ You never have to worry about derailing Sinful topics. What Sinful topics are for.

 

If you say so.

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^ aaaaaaaand nat is back
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[X] What the actual ****?

 

 

Skipping it is fine, saying it's useless is going to get you this:

 

[X] NOPE.

You didn't quote the full thing Mark! I didn't say that the turret is useless per se, rather it is useless on the Juggernaut since you already have a lot of shields and hp and can easily use RHA and heavy melee for regaining shields. Frankly most of the people I play with don't need the assistance from my geth turret to survive on gold or platinum and if they do, the turret isn't gonna be enough. Also I need to sacrifice the other power evo options for the turret which compared to the hex shield and siege pulse is relatively useless, IMHO of course.

 

I love the turret on the geth engineer though, there it is hugely useful and can help with the squishy-ness when running a hunter mode weapons platform build besides being helpful to your teammates. But not on the juggernaut! Nope, nada, nuh uh, no bueno, no bang!



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I only drop the shield a couple times the whole match as a panic button, or when reviving or doing devices. I don't really use it as portable rha. Usually I'm too busy with siege pulse to cast anything else but I'm thinking I might try trading rank six passive for three in turret, or maybe trading shield altogether for flame turret, it's been a while since I played any other jug spec.

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I avoid male kit lobbies.

 

 

If you say so.

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and the Alt wars are baaack, hiding for so long?



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I avoid male kit lobbies.

 

 

If you say so.

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Take it off!! Leave it on!

 

Seriously, she looks hotter with just the shirt. Lacks the proper curves.



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Is this going to turn into a romance thread? Trick question they're all romance threads

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Is this going to turn into a romance thread? Trick question they're all romance threads

 

They say if you romance a BSN member you get a gold plated name.  I've always liked sevens, twos, and zeros......what do you think? ;)


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^ I didn't see megabeast get a gold plated name. He got a permaban instead. ... maybe because he went as far as marriage...



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Ooh, gossip. Someone fill me in. I remember megabeast because his N7 Slayer build is the one I use.


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They say if you romance a BSN member you get a gold plated name. I've always liked sevens, twos, and zeros......what do you think? ;)


Well I don't know, I'd have to see if you're my type... Do you like mass effect
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