There are some gossiping nobles in the hallway who slyly comment on your relationship as you pass by them, and if anything they just find it amusing IIRC. Not much of a scandal there.
One is Orlesian (man) and one is Ferelden (woman), judging by the accents. It's actually a great bit of dialogue when you read the whole thing. 
Players want the option to be one of the few sexuality bigots in existence in Thedas?
Yes they do. It is after all well-kown, that if you don't object to gayness in every way possible there is a distinctive risk of gay NPCs crawling out of your PC/Console to secretly spoon you while you sleep.
More representative, sure, but those views do exist in the game world as well.
In Ferelden it's considered a scandal if you don't keep it behind closed doors. Period. Tevinter doesn't allow it either except as a form of entertainment for their tyrant class. The Qunari sure as anything do not tolerate it. The Dalish also believe in matching male and female in marriage. The dwarves have a caste system that relies on gender and procreation.
Whatever Andrasteism says about it, one thing remains constant. You can't reproduce through homosexuality. Therefore a basis for disapproval will always exist in the DA universe.
And beside all that is the fact that there are characters in the game who express disapproval of homosexuality. Cullen, Blackwall, Vivienne, the Hero of Ferelden (possibly), etc.
No.
More representative, sure, but those views do exist in the game world as well.
In Ferelden it's considered a scandal if you don't keep it behind closed doors. Period. Tevinter doesn't allow it either except as a form of entertainment for their tyrant class. The Qunari sure as anything do not tolerate it. The Dalish also believe in matching male and female in marriage. The dwarves have a caste system that relies on gender and procreation.
Whatever Andrasteism says about it, one thing remains constant. You can't reproduce through homosexuality. Therefore a basis for disapproval will always exist in the DA universe.
And beside all that is the fact that there are characters in the game who express disapproval of homosexuality. Cullen, Blackwall, Vivienne, the Hero of Ferelden (possibly), etc.
* I'll refer to WC's post regarding Ferelden above.
* Dorian says that homosexual sex is "accepted." He does not refer to class when discussing it. Why would the commoners and slaves give a damn? The only reason that the altus care is because of breeding. Among the altus, homosexual relationships are looked down on because falling in love can make you disregard your familial duty. That is why it is considered selfish.
* Uh... where does it say the Qunari don't tolerate it?? Bull is bi, and so is Tallis. Bull says that they have friends, but don't have sex with them, then goes onto say that the Tamassrans will "pop your cork" whenever you need it. He doesn't specify anything in regard to homosexual sex. But there would be gay soldiers who might want to have some gay sex occasionally. I've no doubt that the Tamassrans accommodate them in some way.
* Just because both Dalish and city elves have an emphasis on procreation, like Tevinter, doesn't mean they actually care as long as one does one's duty and pops out elven babies.
* Please point out where any of those NPCs has disapproval of homosexuality. Both Vivienne and Blackwall have remarks to Dorian about his relationship with the Inquisitor. Vivienne doesn't care at all and even defends it, and likely has the Orlesian mindset anyway. Blackwall is simply made uncomfortable with the reference to sex, but states that the Inquisitor's business is his own. That doesn't mean he disapproves of it or thinks it immoral. And as far as I know, Cullen turns the male Inquisitor down in a nice way.
Why does your hero/whatever disagree with ones sexual preference? Where does that need to discriminate and want someone to be something else they aren't come from in a world where such characters don't really fit the lore. Do these needs to have options come from your own opinions, which is not much of a roleplay anymore because you let your own opinions reflect your character?
I do not think your need for this option, or anyones need for this option is genuine '' I want to roleplay a character that is this or that '' instead of '' I do not like gays in my video game, let me disagree with their lifestyle because this is what I think in real life, ew. ''
If we add this option, should we also start putting out options like '' ew Vivienne, you are black '', '' ew Varric, you are so hairy '', '' ew Solas, you are bald and pale '' because that is about AS IMPORTANT TO THE STORY as saying what you think of someone's sexuality.
Well gosh, there are youtube videos where you can check the reaction to all the choices. And it is enough for roleplaying. I guess you just lack imagination?
In the end, the developers can't give you 30423932 options on how to respond, and if they think that responding to an LGBT character with disrespect or disgust regarding their gender or sexual identity isn't needed and doesn't add anything to the game, that's final. It concerns me that you think this is a feature that definitely should be in the game. Projection?
First off, the lore does support morality in sexuality, especially when it comes to Ferelden. Second, people should be free to roleplay a character to as large of a variety as possible. Third, just because you roleplay a character a certain way doesn't mean you are that way. Fourth, even if all of Thedas had no problem with it, your character should have the freewill choice to go against the common belief.
You're free to believe whatever you want about people's motives. Doesn't change the fact that we should be allowed to roleplay as much as possible.
Ironically there is a line of text regarding an insult against Vivienne's black skin, though it is from an NPC. But regarding appearances, that is different from behavior. Behaviors and ideologies are challenged all the time in Dragon Age. Appearances are not. So your comparison is faulty. Er... well, unless it's about elves.
What about YT videos? We're talking about playing the game.
Oh but I only wanted 30,423,931 options! 
No, I just want the alternative option in a subject that BIOWARE brought up. I would disapprove of any case in which BioWare raises an issue and then LIMITS player choice in how to respond to it. Why don't we just have all our lines scripted for the new protag in DA4? That would sure save BioWare a lot of headache, right? Yeah, no more dialogue wheel. Just have a set character with a set personality and set beliefs.
First off, the lore does support morality in sexuality, especially when it comes to Ferelden. Second, people should be free to roleplay a character to as large of a variety as possible.
First off, the lore does support morality in sexuality, especially when it comes to Ferelden. Second, people should be free to roleplay a character to as large of a variety as possible. Third, just because you roleplay a character a certain way doesn't mean you are that way. Fourth, even if all of Thedas had no problem with it, your character should have the freewill choice to go against the common belief.
You're free to believe whatever you want about people's motives. Doesn't change the fact that we should be allowed to roleplay as much as possible.
Ironically there is a line of text regarding an insult against Vivienne's black skin, though it is from an NPC. But regarding appearances, that is different from behavior. Behaviors and ideologies are challenged all the time in Dragon Age. Appearances are not. So your comparison is faulty. Er... well, unless it's about elves.
What about YT videos? We're talking about playing the game.
Oh but I only wanted 30,423,931 options!
I'm just going to leave you be and hope you get your '' disapprove with homosexuality '' in the next game, because you seem to want it so and it would increase how much you enjoy the game. It's not necessarily out of my enjoyment as long as the game is filled with glorious, well-written LGBT characters that turn their back on you if you choose such opinions. None of this '' I do not disapprove of you, just of your sexuality, I wish you were straight but otherwise you fine and we are friends '' bullshit that people in the real world feed you.
If you have the luxury, amidst all war and chaos to have opinions on a sexuality or a gender identity, then those who represent such groups of people have the luxury to call you out on it and call you a dick, and maybe kick your ass for it.
Also, just because you disagree with it doesn't mean you don't accept the person as a friend despite the disagreement. This is yet another nuance that BioWare is overlooking in their blind rush to win praise from their desired segment of the fanbase.
WHY would Ferelden consider homosexuality immoral, and where do those teachings that it is immoral come from?
Being indiscreet -> scandal. What is being indiscreet about it in Ferelden terms and what size of a scandal is it. Is it '' Britney went into a public bathroom with no shoes '' size of scandal or '' Britney shaved all her hair, went berserk on paparazzi with an umbrella and dropped her kid on the floor '' size of scandal? There is '' ooh that is so SCANDALOUS, tell me more~ '' and '' this scandal could destroy our good name, we will never be looked at the same and people will shun us and our heads will be in the chopping block. ''
Sera is quite loud and proud of her sexuality, and is Ferelden born and raised. She has no problem shouting to all of the inquisition how she and Inky are going to the bedroom to do some warmups, Blackwall and Iron Bull speak about women with her so easily, and nobody seems care at all what she is. And heck, she is quite indiscreet. Where is the scandal with Inky and Sera being together? No scandal. And it's not like NOBODY KNOWS.
Same goes to Iron Bull and male Inquisitor being together, in which nobody objects anything. If it was a religion thing, you'd think that Cassandra would object to it. But no, when she finds out, '' A surprise I admit, but not a problem. '' There are some gossiping nobles in the hallway who slyly comment on your relationship as you pass by them, and if anything they just find it amusing IIRC. Not much of a scandal there.
So no, I don't see how your Ferelden thinks gays are immoral holds up at all?
Well I'm not a writer, so you would need to ask one of them for a definite answer. But if I had to guess I would say that without knowing everything in the Chant of Light, and assuming that says nothing about it, the belief that homosexuality is immoral stems from the fact that life is not sustained through it.
Please don't make me whip out my dictionary. You know what scandal means.
Sera is also a petty criminal who hates rules. There are no Ferelden authorities around Skyhold to punish her and the Inquisitor for being indiscreet. Though I doubt they could claim jurisdiction in that matter.
Just because no one objects while you are within earshot does not mean people IN FERELDEN do not consider it immoral. 
We have the codex. We have already determined that Ferelden considers it immoral. There is no argument to be had here.
Well I'm not a writer, so you would need to ask one of them for a definite answer. But if I had to guess I would say that without knowing everything in the Chant of Light, and assuming that says nothing about it, the belief that homosexuality is immoral stems from the fact that life is not sustained through it.
Please don't make me whip out my dictionary. You know what scandal means.
Sera is also a petty criminal who hates rules. There are no Ferelden authorities around Skyhold to punish her and the Inquisitor for being indiscreet. Though I doubt they could claim jurisdiction in that matter.
Just because no one objects while you are within earshot does not mean people IN FERELDEN do not consider it immoral.
We have the codex. We have already determined that Ferelden considers it immoral. There is no argument to be had here.
You are so certain you are right and that homosexuality is bad in Thedas so I'll just leave you be. I'm sure it is a big deal there, I'm sure it is. Whatever warms your heart.
Sure. The question is whether adding the options in question passes an ROI test. What would you cut to add this?
Probably all the gay characters. Oh, wait.......
Well I'm not a writer, so you would need to ask one of them for a definite answer. But if I had to guess I would say that without knowing everything in the Chant of Light, and assuming that says nothing about it, the belief that homosexuality is immoral stems from the fact that life is not sustained through it.
According to this logic a Grey warden, an infertile women or anyone using some sort of contraceptive having heterosexual sex would be considered immoral by Fereldan standards as well. Which is most likely not the case.
To be honest, I read it as people not being overt, or making out and such in public, which should apply to all sexualities, really.
I never addressed that dialogue option, and I agree that that particular one is not in regard to his sexuality. The wording of your post that I quoted led me to assume that you wanted the option to disagree with his sexuality, just as you mention that you disagreed with Zevran's.
Of course you can still be friends with him, because you can accrue enough approval points. The game's dialogue options, as well as NPC reactions, are not nuanced enough to account for such variation. In a way, it is akin to the lack of nuance with the friend/rival system in DA2. Some things should be deal-breakers, but they aren't written into the game that way. Fenris should not be friends (much less lovers) with a player who supports slavery simply because they also pick all of the anti-mage options, but that's how the game works.
In my post I was basically acting like Dorian were a real person. Considering everything he says in the game about himself, I truly don't think that, were he real, he would regard someone as anything more than a familiar acquaintance if that person could not accept him completely.
I can see how people can make that mistake. The codices aren't that easy to read. Don't worry about it. But I don't see how that would apply to say... heterosexual displays of affection in public.
Well, it would have been nice to have that option. I was just saying that option wasn't available.
Gameplay? Fine. I can see your point. Still, I don't see Dorian dismissing an Inquisitor who simply believes in traditional ways, especially if that Inquisitor can see past it to still consider him a friend.
You [think] Dorian is that petty? I would think he should be used to disapproval by now. My mage disapproves of some things about Vivienne, but they are still friends. He disagreed with Cassandra a lot, but they are lovers. Thom Rainier for cryin' out loud committed heinous crimes, but we can look past that and accept him for his good points.
No.
Sera: Still on about "Milady Josie" and her tricky tongue, and I've been thinking again. Shut up.Sera: Here's how I'll do it too. I find a nob, right? And I seduce him--Blackwall: You'll what? I worry where this might be going.Sera: Wait! Not done yet! He thinks he's being seduced, but when it's time for slap-and-tickle, I jump up and say...Sera: "I like your wife better!" (Laughs.)Blackwall: And the goal would be?Sera: He thinks he's in charge, but he isn't! I am!Blackwall: I don't know what to say.Sera: Then I'll punch him, to make sure he gets it!Blackwall: Oh, Sera. I do love you.Blackwall: How are you two?Sera: Me and Teetness? Fine. I mean, she's a leader. She has tension, and I get it gone.Sera: I mean, could be naked more. That'd be better.Inquisitor: Sera!Sera: Yeesh! Sorry!Blackwall: Hold on to it, Sera. Good things in wartime are rare as hen's teeth.Sera: Who went looking for that?Blackwall: Heh. Nevermind.
Blackwall: Trouble with you and...Sera: Don't want to talk about it.Blackwall: Right. Right.Sera: It's just...frig, frigging...Blackwall: Uh-huh. Tavern later. We can drink everything. Pick you out a serving wench.Sera: Grr.Blackwall: Fine. You can pick me one.- - - -Vivienne: I received a letter the other day, Dorian.Dorian: Truly? It's nice to know you have friends.Vivienne: It was from an acquaintance in Tevinter expressing his shock at the disturbing rumors about your... relationship with the Inquisitor.Dorian: Rumors you were only too happy to verify, I assume.Vivienne: I informed him the only disturbing thing in evidence was his penmanship.Dorian: ...Oh. Thank you.Vivienne: I am not so quick to judge, darling. See that you give me no reason to feel otherwise.- - - -Need proof of the Cullen being a homophobe.
Yeah yeah yeah, real nice examples of Blackwall being okay with lesbianism. How about you pull some of his banter with Dorian?
Same with Vivienne and her gaining leverage over Dorian. Pull the banter with Vivienne and Sera "married" to the Inquisitor. What does she say to Sera?
Cullen calls Herren and Wade weird or strange, or something along those lines. It's in the Chore Table text after you slay a dragon.
You Dorian is that petty? I would think he should be used to disapproval by now.
You Dorian is that petty? I would think he should be used to disapproval by now. My mage disapproves of some things about Vivienne, but they are still friends. He disagreed with Cassandra a lot, but they are lovers. Thom Rainier for cryin' out loud committed heinous crimes, but we can look past that and accept him for his good points.
Petty? You think that not being friends with a person who disagrees with their identity, their self, is petty?
Why are you forcing LGBT characters in a role where they have to understand and tolerate your opinion, and just roll with the punches with nothing but a '' greatly disapproves '' text appearing in the corner?
As I said, if you have the stupid luxury to disagree with someones sexuality or gender identity, those people should have the goddamn luxury to hit back at you.
Yeah yeah yeah, real nice examples of Blackwall being okay with lesbianism. How about you pull some of his banter with Dorian?
Same with Vivienne and her gaining leverage over Dorian. Pull the banter with Vivienne and Sera "married" to the Inquisitor. What does she say to Sera?
Cullen calls Herren and Wade weird or strange, or something along those lines. It's in the Chore Table text after you slay a dragon.
Oh, so now its male homosexuality is bad, Uhuh. The banter with Dorian is invalid because Blackwall doesn't like Dorian, not because he is gay, but because he is Tevinter magister of nobility. He says nothing of IB's relationship with Male inq.
Vivienne doesn't support your relationships with Sera because she doesn't, like, Sera, and think she is wildly beneath her AND the Inquisitor. She says nothing about female inquisitor dating Josefine, now does she?
Like, are you that effing dense not to see that the homosexuality isn't the part Viv of BW have a problem with, it's the PERSON INQ CHOSE TO DATE! They don't like them much, that's why the ergh opinion.
For the love of Maker...
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Isn't that you?
Ummmm, ok.... Is that you, Biofan? (no trolling pls)
Yeah yeah yeah, real nice examples of Blackwall being okay with lesbianism. How about you pull some of his banter with Dorian?
Same with Vivienne and her gaining leverage over Dorian. Pull the banter with Vivienne and Sera "married" to the Inquisitor. What does she say to Sera?
I thought IB was done just as well as Solas.
Humhum.... Did not manage to go thru all IB romance, but loved the Solas romance. Had a feeling like IB is a cool character when he is ur "buddy" and not so interesting when he becomes ur LI. Solas is interesting both as a "buddy" and as a LI. Perhaps because quasi-gods are more interesting, dunno... Just my feeling 
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Yeah yeah yeah, real nice examples of Blackwall being okay with lesbianism. How about you pull some of his banter with Dorian?
Same with Vivienne and her gaining leverage over Dorian. Pull the banter with Vivienne and Sera "married" to the Inquisitor. What does she say to Sera?
Cullen calls Herren and Wade weird or strange, or something along those lines. It's in the Chore Table text after you slay a dragon.
That's your evidence for Cullen??
Cullen says, "Wade and Herren are troublesome, but Wade's talent is undeniable. Send them whatever dragon materials we aren't using ourselves."
He's not referring to their homosexuality in the same way that the "trouble" remark to Dorian is not referring to his homosexuality. Have you met Wade and Herren? They are troublesome. Wade doesn't like to work on projects that are not inspiring or that don't offer a challenge, which is why Herren has to pester him to actually make money; poor, long-suffering Herren.
WC already addressed the rest.
Oh man is this a hornets nest of a topic, but I guess I'll add my thoughts on the Qun/Iron Bull/Krem thing.
The Qun (like it's people) is a very function oriented.
It's very communally driven, rather than individualistic, and values the "security" of its people far more than "freedom", which is interesting and the idea of choosing a persons career path for them based off of the inherent qualities they exhibit during childhood and early adolescence at bare minimum makes use of their entire labor force effectively (everyone has a job and nobody goes to waste). This is why I can kind of buy the story Bull tells Krem about how the Qun handles Gender-Identity as if you think about it, it really doesn't contradict Sten in any way. If Krem exhibited a male gender identity and a proficiency for combat while growing up under the Qun, then the Qunari would have decided his career path based off of those traits ... they would not have forced Krem into a job that didn't fit him just to adhere to "traditional" gender roles.
There are no deities of any kind and as such the Qun is representative of something like Confusionism more than anything else. There is also no competition for resources within Qunari held territory so all of the natural resources they have are used to their maximum potential (outside of magic) and the drive to progress technologically comes from the competition they receive from outside forces. There is also no social or race classifications under the Qun, everyone is function and has a function that they are best used for ... that is all that matters to the Qun. Sex is also ... just a thing that happens ... so sexual preference based of gender wouldn't really matter to the Qunari. It's also an extremely rare and successful Matriarchal society, which makes it fascinating. 
A triumvirate rules the Qun and one of its members is always male, strictly speaking it isn't matriarchal, that would imply a social system where women dominate on basis of gender. As for the Qun being successful, I reserve judgement until I've actually seen lands governed by the Qun. It certainly isn't successful for everyone if they require such rigid controls, reeducation and the use of qamek to maintain stability.Oh man is this a hornets nest of a topic, but I guess I'll add my thoughts on the Qun/Iron Bull/Krem thing.
The Qun (like it's people) is a very function oriented.
It's very communally driven, rather than individualistic, and values the "security" of its people far more than "freedom", which is interesting and the idea of choosing a persons career path for them based off of the inherent qualities they exhibit during childhood and early adolescence at bare minimum makes use of their entire labor force effectively (everyone has a job and nobody goes to waste). This is why I can kind of buy the story Bull tells Krem about how the Qun handles Gender-Identity as if you think about it, it really doesn't contradict Sten in any way. If Krem exhibited a male gender identity and a proficiency for combat while growing up under the Qun, then the Qunari would have decided his career path based off of those traits ... they would not have forced Krem into a job that didn't fit him just to adhere to "traditional" gender roles.
There are no deities of any kind and as such the Qun is representative of something like Confusionism more than anything else. There is also no competition for resources within Qunari held territory so all of the natural resources they have are used to their maximum potential (outside of magic) and the drive to progress technologically comes from the competition they receive from outside forces. There is also no social or race classifications under the Qun, everyone is function and has a function that they are best used for ... that is all that matters to the Qun. Sex is also ... just a thing that happens ... so sexual preference based of gender wouldn't really matter to the Qunari. It's also an extremely rare and successful Matriarchal society, which makes it fascinating.
A triumvirate rules the Qun and one of its members is always male, strictly speaking it isn't matriarchal, that would imply a social system where women dominate on basis of gender. As for the Qun being successful, I reserve judgement until I've actually seen lands governed by the Qun. It certainly isn't successful for everyone if they require such rigid controls, reeducation and the use of qamek to maintain stability.
Also, Confucianism actually has very heavy emphasis on the importance of ritual and honoring Heaven (deity), not to mention ancestor worship. The idea that it is a secular philosophy was largely generated by Jesuit missionaries who were trying to convince the Pope that it was compatible with Christianity (See: Rites Controversy)
As for my views on Krem, I never had any desire to disagree with his transgender identity. What annoyed me was the overly confrontational and accusing way Iron Bull leapt in to explain. It completely turned me off both characters for awhile.
Agreed on Krem! As for the Qun I was under the impression that it was ruled over by the join efforts 3 different organizations?
The Priests which deal with social issues and rules (which Sten says woman are normally priests in DA:O), the Matriarchy which put those rules into practice (essentially their bureaucratic leaders), and then Arishok with the Military (which is primarily composed of men). So women heavily dominate the Social and Political lives of the Qun while Men dominate Military issues ... which now that I think about it makes a lot of sense if you consider that their isn't monogamous or polygamous relationships within the Qun. Without those relationship dynamics men may simply be considered more expendable since they aren't the ones that have to bring a child to term and are capable of impregnating multiple females at a time. They are also physical powerhouses, so maybe that's why they traditionally deal with the fighting LOL?! The women keep the Qun functioning, the least the males could do is keep it safe ... if thats even close to the case maybe the Qunari really are descended from dragons.
Also, don't the Tamassrans (the Den-Mother like figures) choose the jobs for all the children in the Qun? Wouldn't that imply that they are the ones enforcing the gender specific jobs? I could be misinterpreting it though. 
A triumvirate rules the Qun and one of its members is always male, strictly speaking it isn't matriarchal, that would imply a social system where women dominate on basis of gender. As for the Qun being successful, I reserve judgement until I've actually seen lands governed by the Qun. It certainly isn't successful for everyone if they require such rigid controls, reeducation and the use of qamek to maintain stability.
As for my views on Krem, I never had any desire to disagree with his transgender identity. What annoyed me was the overly confrontational and accusing way Iron Bull leapt in to explain. It completely turned me off both characters for awhile.
Humhum.... Did not manage to go thru all IB romance, but loved the Solas romance. Had a feeling like IB is a cool character when he is ur "buddy" and not so interesting when he becomes ur LI. Solas is interesting both as a "buddy" and as a LI. Perhaps because quasi-gods are more interesting, dunno... Just my feeling
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