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[German Soldier]

Unlike them anyone tainted doesn't turn all crazy and evil immediately.

[Dabrikishaw]

They intentionally want to cause the Blight to end the world.

[German Soldier]

I didn't understood the answer are you implying that the old gods are evil?

They are the only type of creature that becomes evil when they are tainted.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

If you mean why the old gods instead to fall sick when they are corrupted by the taint turn out to be archdemons i do not know,but probably the answer pertains on the way in which they are corrupted

Every blighted creature that was corrupted by the taint is not evil because of it(like the GW or ghouls or red templars) aside from the archdemons.

[Cyrus Amell]

The 5th Blight was a relatively minor affair: Only half the country was ravaged by the Darkspawn Horde. 

 

Your typical Blight usually swallows whole Kingdoms and displace innumerable populations. It takes the mobilization of not just the Grey Wardens but also an international coalition to drive back the Darkspawn and pin down the Archdemon. 

 

What makes Archdemons want to rampage across Thedas and cause all of this damage? Well, it is possible that the Blight, like any virus, simply seeks to self-replicate until it is either destroyed or until it exhausts its host - in this case Thedas. So it could just be a magical virus and Archdemons, as really powerful dragons, are simply able to use their natural talents for mind control to further the virus's goal of self-replication. The only things that make an Archdemon special are its ability to command Darkspawn and seeming immortality short of being killed by a Grey Warden (mostly). Theoretically, a very powerful humanoid could also become an Archdemon-like figure as seen in the Architect who seems to have similar powers though not quite at the needed level. 

 

Alternatively, the Old Gods that are infected each decide that they want to become dominant Gods again by taking over the world. As tainted creatures, only Darkspawn will "worship" them. 

 

I'm sure there are stranger theories.   

[German Soldier]

 

 

What makes Archdemons want to rampage across Thedas and cause all of this damage? Well, it is possible that the Blight, like any virus, simply seeks to self-replicate until it is either destroyed or until it exhausts its host - in this case Thedas. So it could just be a magical virus and Archdemons, as really powerful dragons, are simply able to use their natural talents for mind control to further the virus's goal of self-replication. The only things that make an Archdemon special are its ability to command Darkspawn and seeming immortality short of being killed by a Grey Warden (mostly). Theoretically, a very powerful humanoid could also become an Archdemon-like figure as seen in the Architect who seems to have similar powers though not quite at the needed level. 

 

Alternatively, the Old Gods that are infected each decide that they want to become dominant Gods again by taking over the world. As tainted creatures, only Darkspawn "worship" them.

 

I'm sure there are stranger theories.   

Yes pretty much that was my question why the taint don't just make them sick like everyone else?

Unlike archdemons every other creature infected by the taint do not become evil,so why the taint has this effect on the Old gods?

Shouldn't they become dragon ghouls instead to turn out into evil dragons?

[Lazarillo]

As I understand it, the point of the question is that the Archdemons' desire to bring the Blights may be something inherent to their nature as "Old Gods" and not the fact that they're Tainted?  Basically, you're raising the idea that the Darkspawn don't make them evil (or even that it's the other way around, and the Archdemons themselves make the Darkspawn evil, rather than the other way around as has been assumed?).

 

It's an interesting point, honestly, and there's not a lot of proof one way or the other.  I do suspect that you are correct, however.

[rapscallioness]

I don't think it's so much that they become "evil", as it is they just become more dragon-y.

 

In their forms as dragons, they are very powerful. Dragons are very powerful and have great potential to destroy. When they get tainted all that power and potential for destruction gets unleashed. They are sick. Who knows, if we did not put them down they might eventually die of the taint on their own. But we can't wait for that because they will kill us all before that happens.

 

I remember somewhere it said that when the dragons get tainted they awake in pain and horror. It's pretty horrific for the old gods/dragons. They may be confused and not understand who tainted them, or why. They may not understand what's going on, or who is the threat so they rampage against everything.

 

The darkspawn are doing them no favors by poisoning them with the taint. But they are different creatures. Their system may react a bit differently to the taint, but it's still messing them up pretty bad...and leading them to suicide by grey warden.

 

So, I don't think it's "evil" as much as it's because they actually are sick and out of control.

[German Soldier]

As I understand it, the point of the question is that the Archdemons' desire to bring the Blights may be something inherent to their nature as "Old Gods" and not the fact that they're Tainted? Basically, you're raising the idea that the Darkspawn don't make them evil (or even that it's the other way around, and the Archdemons themselves make the Darkspawn evil, rather than the other way around as has been assumed?).

It's an interesting point, honestly, and there's not a lot of proof one way or the other. I do suspect that you are correct, however.

Splendid this was the point i was trying to make.

[Iakus]

They are not evil, they are serving their purpose, a cleansing fire to keep...something bad and inevitable from happening.  Without them, nugs would destroy all life.  Or something.

 

But you have hope.  More than you realize...

[Dai Grepher]

Old gods are evil to begin with. They tried to turn people away from the Maker.

[German Soldier]

I don't think it's so much that they become "evil", as it is they just become more dragon-y.

In their forms as dragons, they are very powerful. Dragons are very powerful and have great potential to destroy. When they get tainted all that power and potential for destruction gets unleashed. They are sick. Who knows, if we did not put them down they might eventually die of the taint on their own. But we can't wait for that because they will kill us all before that happens.

I remember somewhere it said that when the dragons get tainted they awake in pain and horror. It's pretty horrific for the old gods/dragons. They may be confused and not understand who tainted them, or why. They may not understand what's going on, or who is the threat so they rampage against everything.

The darkspawn are doing them no favors by poisoning them with the taint. But they are different creatures. Their system may react a bit differently to the taint, but it's still messing them up pretty bad...and leading them to suicide by grey warden.

So, I don't think it's "evil" as much as it's because they actually are sick and out of control.

They can't die by the taint on their own since Dumat survived in the archdemon state for 192 years.
That they are confused it is not necessary
true,Archdemons even speak and give intelligent orders ,they don't just rampage like normal dragons,since they know what they do.
Most of the times they are in the deeproads and mindcontrol the horde while the senior GW can hear what they say they are intelligent not mindless.
True the old gods react to the taint and become archdemons,but why archdemons and not ghouls?
Because of their powers and their soul?
If so why their soul(when they are still old gods)unlike all the others souls are twisted into Archdemons being whom purpose is to spread the blight?
This mean that Archdemons carry the will of the Old Gods.
We can make an analogy with Meredith.
The idol of DA2 was a form of corrupted lyrium that had the property to amplify negative emotions.
It improved greed in Barthrand case,in Meredith case it Improved her paranoia and her fears but it did not had any effect on Hawke or Varric.
In the same way the taint just amplify the nature of the original Old gods.
In short what i'm tryng to say is that the Old gods may be malevolent beings even before to be twisted into Archdemons

[Aren]

As I understand it, the point of the question is that the Archdemons' desire to bring the Blights may be something inherent to their nature as "Old Gods" and not the fact that they're Tainted? Basically, you're raising the idea that the Darkspawn don't make them evil (or even that it's the other way around, and the Archdemons themselves make the Darkspawn evil, rather than the other way around as has been assumed?).

It's an interesting point, honestly, and there's not a lot of proof one way or the other. I do suspect that you are correct, however.

This is what the Architect said,the old gods call the darkspawns on purpose.

[ComedicSociopathy]

Does it really matter whether their good or evil? They want to kill everyone and everything that isn't Tainted and sure don't seem willing to negotiate about that. I think that alone makes the debate irrelevant.

[Dean_the_Young]

Unlike them anyone tainted doesn't turn all crazy and evil immediately.

 

Quite likely, it's the ancient elves' fault.

 

There are indications that the Blight may have been created by one of the Evunaris with a penchant for madness. There are also indications that Old Gods themselves may have been linked to the ancient elven gods as a part of their power.

[GoldenGail3]

Quite likely, it's the ancient elves' fault.
 
There are indications that the Blight may have been created by one of the Evunaris with a penchant for madness. There are also indications that Old Gods themselves may have been linked to the ancient elven gods as a part of their power.

Everything seems to be the Ancient Elves fault...

[Dean_the_Young]

Everything seems to be the Ancient Elves fault...

 

Clearly they are the superior race.

 

Maybe not the race Thedas needs, but the race it deserves.

[Reznore57]

Does it really matter whether their good or evil? They want to kill everyone and everything that isn't Tainted and sure don't seem willing to negotiate about that. I think that alone makes the debate irrelevant.

 

It matters when you do something like the Dark Ritual.

 

Anyway my honest answers is : I don't know.

The rare folks who might know something about those creatures keep their mouth shut about it.

The only thing we got is Flemythal taught Morrigan the Old Gods are worth preserving , but we don't know why.

 

Imho I see no sign Archdemon are something more than powerful beast.

They command the darkspawn to be agressive but dragons are predators anyway .

There's little finesse , no complicated manipulation.When Dumat rose , it still had followers in Tevinter seeing him as a God.He could have used them , but he probably ate them.

[Aren]

It matters when you do something like the Dark Ritual.

Anyway my honest answers is : I don't know.
The rare folks who might know something about those creatures keep their mouth shut about it.
The only thing we got is Flemythal taught Morrigan the Old Gods are worth preserving , but we don't know why.

Of course we know,because she wanted to absorb his powers for herself not because she care about the Old gods.
It was just a tool for her.

[Secret Rare]

The Old gods of Tevinter possess a complex personality and are tied to their own constellation ,they are different from their archdemonic form but probably as the Qun say they have the attitude to rule over others.

[GoldenGail3]

Clearly they are the superior race.
 
Maybe not the race Thedas needs, but the race it deserves.

No - give them to Tamriel! Yay! They can go mess up the Thalmor!!!!

[Secret Rare]

What i never understood about the Old gods is if they wanted to be freed from their prisons why they didn't asked help to their worshipper magisters?
They were able to contact them and at the time darkspawns did not even existed in the deep roads.

[rapscallioness]

What i never understood about the Old gods is if they wanted to be freed from their prisons why they didn't asked help to their worshipper magisters?
They were able to contact them and at the time darkspawns did not even existed in the deep roads.

 

 

I think that's what they were trying to do in luring the magisters to the golden city, but it was probably booby trapped,, or held noxious materials known as the blight that got let loose.

[rapscallioness]

They can't die by the taint on their own since Dumat survived in the archdemon state for 192 years.
That they are confused it is not necessary
true,Archdemons even speak and give intelligent orders ,they don't just rampage like normal dragons,since they know what they do.
Most of the times they are in the deeproads and mindcontrol the horde while the senior GW can hear what they say they are intelligent not mindless.
*snip*

 

But what's 192 years to an archdemon/old god? Just because 192 years seems a long time to you does not mean it is so to an archdemon/old god. I don;t think they are mindless, I think they are sick and in pain from the taint. I just don't assume that they are necessarily evil. If the taint enhances certain aspects of the taintee, then in their dragon form, dragon behavior would be enhanced--predator, territorial. They may know what they do, but that does not mean they are not suffering the effects of being tainted. It may be affecting their judgment as it did with Meredith.

 

It seems to enhance your worst attributes, but we all have shadows and darkness in us. It does not mean that is all we are, or that we are evil. It means that the blight reacts with the dark parts of our characters, like a chemical reaction.

 

As far as them being malevolent before they got tainted into archdemons..well, yeah, it would seem that way.  Or if not malevolent, they were kind of d!cks. It seems. Can't say for sure. I suspect Evanuris and Old Gods are one and the same, and the trapped Evanuris were whispering to humans for awhile now to try and get them to break them out of their prison.

 

The Maker actually being a god the early humans brought with them to Thedas, who went by another name. When the humans started to worship the OG's with Tevinter--that was originally ruled by Dreamer's-is when the Maker is said to have turned away. Actually maybe even before Tevinter proper.

 

Gaider once said that the Old God's were not created by the Maker; they were not a part of the Maker's plan, or they were outside of the Maker's plan. This ofc touches on one of the oldest questions in the book: how can there be this all powerful entity like the Maker; that created all there is, and also be "evil" in the world--in the Thedas? Is "evil" independent of the Maker? If these beings were not created by the Maker who supposedly created all, then what does that say about this Maker? Truth is, we don;t even know who this Maker really is. We don;t know the name it went by before Andraste called it the Maker. We don;t know details about all the Evanuris, either.

 

It could be the Evanuris were trapped, the elves could not help because they were still reeling from Solas dropping the Veil on everyone. The dwarves had already been sundered --heck, made tranquil in a way by...I hate to think Mythal did it, but...I'm not sure. In any case, the only ones that could possibly hear them in their dreams now were the humans.

 

I don;t think it was a part of the og's plan to be tainted with the blight, however. Ofc, as someone mentioned, there may have been one Evanuris that had a penchant for madness and thought the taint stuff would be a great idea! Achieve moar power! True immortality without having to go to sleep! It did that for Cory. Solas even mentions that Cory derives alot of his power from the blight. Cory could not be easily killed, he could jump into other tainted vessels. He operated just like one of the old god's.

 

So maybe the Magister's were not tricked, they just did not read the fine print. Did not realize the price. Maybe these gods did give the Magisters the power and glory they sought....in the form of the blight. And thought that the Magisters should be grateful!

 

Ack, I'm rambling. Point is, I think it's more complicated than they are simply evil.

[Lazarillo]

As far as them being malevolent before they got tainted into archdemons..well, yeah, it would seem that way.  Or if not malevolent, they were kind of d!cks. It seems. Can't say for sure. I suspect Evanuris and Old Gods are one and the same, and the trapped Evanuris were whispering to humans for awhile now to try and get them to break them out of their prison.

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I don;t think it was a part of the og's plan to be tainted with the blight, however. Ofc, as someone mentioned, there may have been one Evanuris that had a penchant for madness and thought the taint stuff would be a great idea! Achieve moar power! True immortality without having to go to sleep! It did that for Cory. Solas even mentions that Cory derives alot of his power from the blight. Cory could not be easily killed, he could jump into other tainted vessels. He operated just like one of the old god's.

So maybe the Magister's were not tricked, they just did not read the fine print. Did not realize the price. Maybe these gods did give the Magisters the power and glory they sought....in the form of the blight. And thought that the Magisters should be grateful!

It's also possible that the ones the Magisters thought were their "Old Gods" were not actually the dragons themselves at all. That doesn't mean there might not be a connection of course (wouldn't it be amusing if the "Old Gods" were just power-infused high dragons and therefore Corfishystix really did create an Archdemon!), but if the dragons and the Evanuris are effectively the same, then the Dread Wolf did a ******-poor job of sealing them away. Although, I do think it may have been the Evanuris tempting the Magisters: if the Veil gets weakened by large amounts of death, it's possible the Evanuris deliberately drew the Magisters to a place where the Blight would be unleashed, and with enough death, they expected the Veil would be weakened enough to escape.
 

The Maker actually being a god the early humans brought with them to Thedas, who went by another name. When the humans started to worship the OG's with Tevinter--that was originally ruled by Dreamer's-is when the Maker is said to have turned away. Actually maybe even before Tevinter proper.
 
Gaider once said that the Old God's were not created by the Maker; they were not a part of the Maker's plan, or they were outside of the Maker's plan. This ofc touches on one of the oldest questions in the book: how can there be this all powerful entity like the Maker; that created all there is, and also be "evil" in the world--in the Thedas? Is "evil" independent of the Maker? If these beings were not created by the Maker who supposedly created all, then what does that say about this Maker? Truth is, we don;t even know who this Maker really is. We don;t know the name it went by before Andraste called it the Maker. We don;t know details about all the Evanuris, either.

The general policy, to my knowledge, on the Maker is that they're never going to confirm or deny him directly in the story, so I think assuming that there's any role planned in the story for anything regarding him in a "factual" fashion. Then again, with a different writer at the helm, it's always possible they'll change policies, and they've already gone way more deeply into the Elven myths than I hoped they ever would, so y'never know, I suppose.