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[Quarian Master Race]

Everyone picking those lame Council species that denied the existence of the Reapers for years and knowingly abandoned Earth to its fate when they weren't even being attacked yet.

Meanwhile us quarians, toasters and rachni are just sitting over here with our full acknowledgements of and willingness to help against the Reapers since Ascension/ME2, and(in the case of the first two) loyally throwing our entire fleets at Earth to fite the Reapers rather than like a piddly 150 war assets or some stupidshit.


it's k. We know who your real friends are even if you don't.

[sjsharp2011]

For me I would asy Asari are the most like us. Diplomatic and willing to negotiate. I kind of think of them as the Vulcans of the ME universe. Batarians are most like the Cardassians/Romulans and Krogan are like the Klingons. I would say Turians seem to have a lot in common with the Andorians from Star Trek Entreprise. The Salarians and maybe you could include the Volus in this as well are like the Ferengi.  The Reapers are obviously the Borg of ME. I think I've covered all the ones I can classify anyway other than the Geth which I would classify as a Data style race.

[Scarlett]

As for the Asari, they're smart, they saw the potential in having humanity on their side. They were the ones (along with Salarians) who had to tell the Turians to back down from launching anymore attacks on those pesky humans. Just as well they did, could have been catastrophic.

About that : true but I sometimes wonder what would have happened if the roles were reversed, asking humans to step back. No sure we would have said yes like turians did (if we had their technology of course). the council's decision killed a part of the turian pride as a warrior nation but they accepted it with honor. But I'm not blind, nothing is perfect on the univers and this is why it's cool to have a small team like Shepard had and to be able to exchange directly with different species on a ship : you can actually know them for real~ that was a great experience (and I enjoyed reading the codex ).

 

Anyways, we all have different visions depending on who we are. I hear what you say about asari and totally understand the mechanics of your logic, but mine is different. I have no affection for them and don't see them like you do. Yes they are an interesting species but not the kind I truly liked or trusted, as I said, during the trilogy. I also don't care about their appearance (don't even find them attractive at all to be honest, they all look like the same, it's boring ... hopefully Samara and Aria raised the level a little) and don't find them closer to humans than turians just because asari mainly look like us physically.

What can I say ? simple, I like differences, this is maybe why I was more receptive to other species during the whole game (not only turians, but krogans and salarians too) than asari ~

[Bowlcuts]

Everyone picking those lame Council species that denied the existence of the Reapers for years and knowingly abandoned Earth to its fate when they weren't even being attacked yet.

Meanwhile us quarians, toasters and rachni are just sitting over here with our full acknowledgements of and willingness to help against the Reapers since Ascension/ME2, and(in the case of the first two) loyally throwing our entire fleets at Earth to fite the Reapers rather than like a piddly 150 war assets or some stupidshit.


it's k. We know who your real friends are even if you don't.

The Geth are better anyways.

[Scarlett]

Everyone picking those lame Council species that denied the existence of the Reapers for years and knowingly abandoned Earth to its fate when they weren't even being attacked yet.

Meanwhile us quarians, toasters and rachni are just sitting over here with our full acknowledgements of and willingness to help against the Reapers since Ascension/ME2, and(in the case of the first two) loyally throwing our entire fleets at Earth to fite the Reapers rather than like a piddly 150 war assets or some stupidshit.


it's k. We know who your real friends are even if you don't.

 

Quarians who created the geth then tried to kill them without any warning ...  then they lost their homeworld stupidly... and then created a plague for all the galaxy...!

I also remember that quarian admiral on ME3 who litterally tried to destroy the geth ship I was inside with my team, when I was trying to HELP quarians XD *that renegade option when I came back on Normandy was pure happiness*

 

I won't trust quarians, ever. Period. XD

[CrimsonN7]

About that : true but I sometimes wonder what would have happened if the roles were reversed, asking humans to step back. No sure we would have said yes like turians did (if we had their technology of course). the council's decision killed a part of the turian pride as a warrior nation but they accepted it with honor. But I'm not blind, nothing is perfect on the univers and this is why it's cool to have a small team like Shepard had and to be able to exchange directly with different species on a ship : you can actually know them for real~ that was a great experience (and I enjoyed reading the codex ).

 

Anyways, we all have different visions depending on who we are. I hear what you say about asari and totally understand the mechanics of your logic, but mine is different. I have no affection for them and don't see them like you do. Yes they are an interesting species but not the kind I truly liked or trusted, as I said, during the trilogy. I also don't care about their appearance (don't even find them attractive at all to be honest, they all look like the same, it's boring ... hopefully Samara and Aria raised the level a little) and don't find them closer to humans than turians just because asari mainly look like us physically.

What can I say ? simple, I like differences, this is maybe why I was more receptive to other species during the whole game (not only turians, but krogans and salarians too) than asari ~

 

Fair enough. I think if they didn't stop them I'd imagine the humans would have probably got annihilated seeing as the Turians are the military powerhouse of the galaxy. I like the Turians myself tho, cool race, plus Garrus is my bro so I won't hold it against them.

[DarthSliver]

I would say Quarians because of their technological curiousity like humanity. Look at our society today and look at the movies that were made because people believed we would do something like Terminator movies depicted. Some stories are made to show us what we fear to come and are works of fantasy. Not to mention TIM made a fully functional AI to run our ship in ME2. If any race will destroy themselves with machines, I am sure humanity will. If it is anything that we learn thoughout history, history will repeat itself and humans will be the next to make a AI. It may be worst with humanity AI than it was with Quarians, imagine Skynet on a galactic scale lol. 

[The Elcor Spectre]

Proudfully, The Elcor race has great relations with the Humans. Mockingly, The Quarians, Turians, and Asari have nothing on us.

[Catastrophy]

Asari.

Why?

Because they are humanity's best customers.

They are sociable people and fall easily prey to human luxury and entertainment goods. And they're not dumb - while the maiden become fashion victims, the matriarchs already secured licenses with major human brands to get a cut of the share for distributing human goods in the galaxy.

[Quarian Master Race]

Quarians who created the geth then tried to kill them without any warning ...  then they lost their homeworld stupidly... and then created a plague for all the galaxy...!

I also remember that quarian admiral on ME3 who litterally tried to destroy the geth ship I was inside with my team, when I was trying to HELP quarians XD *that renegade option when I came back on Normandy was pure happiness*

 

I won't trust quarians, ever. Period. XD

Why should your blatant racism matter to who potentially helps humanity the most? A quarian is solely responsible for Shep even becoming a Spectre and being able to fight the Reapers in the first place. We provide the mathematically largest contribution to the Battle for Earth of everyone except the Alliance (875 War Assets) provided you are loyal to us in return. Those are both facts.

First, the geth "plague" did almost nothing to anyone in the galaxy but us for 3 centuries. Considering that the Council did nothing but watch us burn against the geth because they were afraid of fighting them, they've no right to complain when they finally become a problem at Eden Prime. We warned you and you ignored us, and even when we go it alone to finally fix the "plague", you cry about that too. Wanna talk about unleashing plagues? Why are those salarians still on the Council after being responsible for both the rachni and krogan? (both of which were far more destructive than the geth). Bosh'tet hypocrites the lot of you.

Yeah, go ahead and cry about a successful strategy that destroys the enemy Dreadnought and results in zero friendly casualties. I'm surprised your Shep survived basic without crying home to mommy when the live fire excercises started, let alone became an N7 and a Spectre.

It's okay, we're still willing to do everything we can and send the whole Fleet to help you get your planet back, provided you don't space Hitler us out of existence with our own toasters like a disloyal jerk. You're welcome

[CrimsonN7]

Proudfully, The Elcor race has great relations with the Humans. Mockingly, The Quarians, Turians, and Asari have nothing on us.

 

I can get behind this alt.

[Quarian Master Race]

Proudfully, The Elcor race has great relations with the Humans. Mockingly, The Quarians, Turians, and Asari have nothing on us.

I never even saw those troopers with cannons on their backs fighting for Earth so it didn't happen.

[The Elcor Spectre]

I never even saw those troopers with cannons on their backs fighting for Earth so it didn't happen.

Mockingly Rebuke, that would require collaboration with another species, take the Quarians for example. If we paid the Quarians to make cannons for us, we wouldn't trust them because knowing you all, you'd probably make the cannons sentient, then you'd try to destroy them, causing them to rebel, then we'd have walking cannons blowing up you all, in which I would laugh. Mocking laugh, Ha Ha Ha.

[Angry_Elcor]

Proudfully, The Elcor race has great relations with the Humans. Mockingly, The Quarians, Turians, and Asari have nothing on us.

 

Wait, wait... hang on... I think... wait, wait... yes, I'm almost certain... I think, I believe... I'm pretty sure something is happening.

[CrimsonN7]

Wait, wait... hang on... I think... wait, wait... yes, I'm almost certain... I think, I believe... I'm pretty sure something is happening.

 

Regretfully, this forum isn't big enough for the two of us.

[Ahriman]

Meanwhile us quarians, toasters and rachni are just sitting over here with our full acknowledgements of and willingness to help against the Reapers since Ascension/ME2, and(in the case of the first two) loyally throwing our entire fleets at Earth to fite the Reapers rather than like a piddly 150 war assets or some stupidshit.

Guess that's why first two decide to fight each other when Reapers finally invade, while third becomes part of Reaper forces.

[DarthSliver]

Guess that's why first two decide to fight each other when Reapers finally invade, while third becomes part of Reaper forces.

 

I will  say the Quarians only survived in my playthrough because there was a peace option, I would've let the geth survive because the Quarians outright started that battle with the Geth when there was peaceful solution. Legion even hints at that in ME2 and those Quarians assault the Geth and force the Geth to side with the Reapers to get true AI. Yeah I would say Quarians should count their blessing that they were willing to make peace lol. 

 

Just remember if humanity made true AI like Quarian's the galaxy wouldn't be able to punish us because our machines would've done that already lol. Imagine Skynet on galactic scale lol. 

Modifié par DarthSliver, 22 février 2016 - 05:35 .

[Angry_Elcor]

Regretfully, this forum isn't big enough for the two of us.

 

It's not that I'm lazy, it's that I explained away the need for the inflections with my epic, well-thought out pulitzer-prize-winning back story. Also, if I open every post with, "Sarcastically..." it really undermines what I'm doing.

[Quarian Master Race]

 

Guess that's why first two decide to fight each other when Reapers finally invade, while third becomes part of Reaper forces.

Neither of us even had any contact with the rest of the galaxy to know the Reapers were slaughtering you guys (our pilgrims were recalled, remember?), so you're fault for being racists who never communicate with us other than telling us to go away. We only know the Reapers have arrived when one shows up and the toasters ally with it (okay that's pretty bad for their case, but still) becoming its slaves. As soon as Hackett asks, the quarians are willing to lend our assistance as soon as we can disable the Reaper. We even get over wanting to kill each other, with quarians and a geth working together to take it out so we can help Earth. Way better than some turians making you play matchmaker with the krogan, salarians crying about everything and going back to their planet if you cure said krogan, and asari doing literally nothing but hiding Prothean tech that could have saved billions of lives until they start getting attacked.

That the Reapers saw them as a threat and nuked the rachni army offscreen, forcibly enslaving their queen isn't really their fault any more than a human/turian getting captured and being made into one of the 3 husketeers/Marauder Shields. If you let them live they are Shep's bros. Bug bros. They agree to help humanity against the Reapers as soon as you hit Illium in ME2 (earlier than anyone but potentially the quarians) building a whole army from scratch to do so while the Council's all "ah yes, Reapers". They still help with what little forces they have left in ME3, no strings attached, other than you simply not going all Starship Troopers on them.
 

 

I will  say the Quarians only survived in my playthrough because there was a peace option, I would've let the geth survive because the Quarians outright started that battle with the Geth when there was peaceful solution. Legion even hints at that in ME2 and those Quarians assault the Geth and force the Geth to side with the Reapers to get true AI. Yeah I would say Quarians should count their blessing that they were willing to make peace lol.

Where did it do that? To Shepard, or are you talking about when it flatly shuts Koris's peace proposal down if you bring it to Tali's loyalty mission?

Every peace envoy that has ever been sent by organics into geth space for negotiations was shot immediately upon entering the Veil according to the Revelation novel. For all the rest of the galaxy that isn't Shepard & Co. knows, the geth are just sitting behind the Veil building an army to help the Reapers while they kill everyone who tries to contact them. The galaxy at large knows of the geth for their genocidal rebellion and the Heretic (which they can't tell from the rest of the geth) attacks on their worlds and the Citadel, not for Legion's singular attempt at diplomacy with some random human "terrorist" (as of ME2).

We don't know if Tali uses the information elucidated by Legion in her arguments to the Admiralty Board against the war. It's unlikely given that open relaying of sensitive political information to a geth agent would likely be considered treason (for good reason given their actions up to this point), and Legion has no requirement to provide reliable information anyway. Indeed, it lies on multiple occasions in both games. Why should they trust it without the geth showing rather than telling that their ideology toward organics isn't "kill them for entering our space" like it has been for the past 3 centuries?

[Vortex13]

Guess that's why first two decide to fight each other when Reapers finally invade, while third becomes part of Reaper forces.

 

 

Yeah how dare the Rachni let the Reapers convert members of their species into the Reapers forces. Why they're almost as bad as those other aliens like the Asari, Turians, Krogan, Geth, and Batarians. 

 

Too bad they couldn't be like the glorious Quarians and Salarians, who never had a single husk made of their species.

 

Though at least they're not as bad as those humans, a species that has the gall to have not only husks as a prominent part of the invasion forces, but also has the audacity to have their bodies constituted into other species' husks for random reasons, as well as having a separate faction actively working in cahoots with the Reapers themselves. 

 

It's not like the Rachni are shown to be highly resistant, if not flat out immune, to the effects of indoctrination; thereby forcing the Reapers to physically convert every bug they could find instead of brainwashing them like every other species in the galaxy or anything.

 

 

That the Reapers saw them as a threat and nuked the Rachni army offscreen, forcibly enslaving their queen isn't really their fault any more than a human/turian getting captured and being made into one of the 3 husketeers/Marauder Shields. If you let them live they are Shep's bros. Bug bros. They agree to help humanity against the Reapers as soon as you hit Illium in ME2 (earlier than anyone but potentially the quarians) building a whole army from scratch to do so while the Council's all "ah yes, Reapers". They still help with what little forces they have left in ME3, no strings attached, other than you simply not going all Starship Troopers on them.

 

Spot on.

 

I think the fact that the Reapers singled the Rachni out like that would indicate that they indeed viewed them as a credible threat, certainly one more than the Krogan that's for sure. Tuchanka barely warranted the attention of a single destroyer, and the Krogan, unlike the Quarians, had no possible way to combat the thing without outside assistance. The Rachni knew the Reapers were coming, and knew the danger they posed, I find it highly unlikely that they would have been discovered if the Reapers weren't actively looking for them, devoting a sizable portion of their invasion fleet in the process. It's not like the Queen was broadcasting a neon welcome sign out for all the galaxy to see, she was being discreet with her forces and the agents she employed.  

 

Though technically, the Rachni were going to help against the Reapers as far back as ME 1, it's just not officially announced by the Queen until Illium. She knew the threat the Reapers posed, and she had been building up her forces for two years while Shepard busy being dead.

[EpicNewb]

This is true.  Despite being the longest standing Council race they did the least during the Krogan Rebellions.

 

They let the newcomers, Turians, do the bulk of the work while they kept their hands clean.

 

Result galaxy is peaceful again and the Asari get very little hate from Krogans.

 

They were very hands off and not helpful during ME3 also.

About the asari, I won't qualify them as "friends" to humanity. They always give me that impression to have a very high opinion about themselves and are omnipresent on the galaxy and with every species in the Milky Way. To me, they are very good to sale themselves and to always find a way to make people do what they want  (Aria is a perfect example) to achieve their (positives or negatives) goals. So, friends? nope. More associates.

[Livi14]

Probably the asari, closely followed by the turians. Asari and Human pairings seem to be very common, they have strong economic ties and they were helping each other during the reaper war even before the council decided to get involved (asari commandos helped to evacuate human colonies at the beginning of the war or their cooperation on Cyone). The epilogue also shows humans, asari and turians working together.

[EpicNewb]

To be fair humanity didn't get a chance to become well acquainted with the Quarians.

 

They were already long gone from Citadel Space by the time humans got there.

[SwobyJ]

5) Friends with benefits -ME:A (hopefully ).

 

However, despite the war narrative in the ME trilogy, I think Asari have more ties with humans just because they are the diplomatic race that gets on well with everyone. Even the concept of asari and humans being together is something that is taken for granted in the setting, and not just because the human PC wants to bang an alien.

 

The ties with the Turians feel more meaningful because they're more personal, I think. Turians helped in developing the Normandy, a Turian was the first alien we saw and recommended Shepard for the Spectres, a Turian was our first enemy, one of the few people that join you in every game is Turian, Turians were humanity's first alien enemy and in the ME3 they were the first to join the war effort. That doesn't mean that in every day life, outside war, Turians are closest to humans, just that our role gives us a skewed vision of them. In every day life, probably it says more that a human company like Sirta only hires asari for their stores.

 

Good stuff. I want to clarify.

 

1)I think the one with most ties in the trilogy is the Asari

2)But I think this will likely change by the end of or after the trilogy to Turians

3)While I think even after the trilogy, Asari may still have 'more of a relationship' than Turians, if only because Asari try to reach everywhere and they managed to do that rather successfully with Humanity

4)Though I keep in mind possibility that through several factors, Asari decline in galactic reputation after the war

[SwobyJ]

Everyone picking those lame Council species that denied the existence of the Reapers for years and knowingly abandoned Earth to its fate when they weren't even being attacked yet.

Meanwhile us quarians, toasters and rachni are just sitting over here with our full acknowledgements of and willingness to help against the Reapers since Ascension/ME2, and(in the case of the first two) loyally throwing our entire fleets at Earth to fite the Reapers rather than like a piddly 150 war assets or some stupidshit.


it's k. We know who your real friends are even if you don't.

 

QMR is being QMR, but there's a good point here. At least technically, it should be argued that others like Quarians, Geth, Krogan, Rachni (all depending on choices) possibly even deserve a better relationship to Humanity, than others like Asari, than they're given credit for.

 

Thankfully there is at least the sense that post-war, contributions won't be outright forgotten, and everyone surviving gets some sort of rep boost. Whether its enough for what they deserve, or even enough to survive and succeed on, is another matter. Sure everyone is fighting for survival, but these species didn't really need to decide to join in as much as the others. Not hard to imagine all of them either hiding away or saying 'screw it' when it comes to cooperation, even for this dire matter.

 

On the other hand, it took special Reaper and Shepard intervention to make their contribution happen, whereas its not hard to imagine Salarians, Turians, and Asari trying to band together, even if in failure and another full Harvest Cycle. The Council races did have more cooperation  - its just not the extent and kind that was needed against the Reapers.