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[malloc]

I cannot lie, it was nice seeing a minority character. Even though Jacob had a personality of a cardboard box, I did kinda like the representation. 

 

Anyway, I though this would be a breath of fresh air until I played his mission and then ended up like this.

 

Black character, father leaves him. Anyway, Daddy issues were a reoccuring theme in ME2, I didn't pay it any mind.

 

Mass Effect 3 comes out and im ready for the Jacob mission, I want to find out what they did with the character. I play the mission and I end up like this.

 

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Black male character, infidelity. Now I am like this. 

 

Anyway, so I play Mass Effect 2 again and I start noticing little things.

 

Bioware, Bruh.

 

We need better handling that this fam

[slimgrin]

It never ends.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

I'll take my $6 in any currency except bitcoin.

[Steelcan]

You romanced Jacob?

[Killroy]

"Those minorities."

 

[malloc]

"Those minorities."

 

It was meant to be condescending, I am a minority,

[Seboist]

You romanced Jacob?

I did, or rather, my femshep picked the best option out of a bad lot to get laid by. It was either bone bird-lizard, frog man or space mandingo, and in the end, the latter ultimately won out.

[Laughing_Man]

And in the latest chapter of Andramada: You may be able to reach light-speed, but even in the far future you can't outrun American racial politics.

[Malthier]

Black female LI, some afro-texture, and im happy.

[Revan Reborn]

It was absolutely mind-boggling what BioWare did to Jacob. For all the attempts BioWare tries to appease sexual minorities, such as homosexuals, pansexuals, etc., they couldn't even do a decent relationship with a racial minority. Of course, some folks will argue "you can have sex with aliens," but I think it is somewhat of an issue when the alien relationships are better developed than the human ones.

 

I am a male and played a male Shepard, so this never impacted my experience, but it's something BioWare should try to avoid in the future. It's not fun for players when their choices are rendered meaningless because "reasons" and BioWare forcibly takes the story and these characters another way. I have no idea what the new crew is going to look like, whether this will be a trilogy, etc. I just hope relationships, of all types, are handled better.

[Draining Dragon]

*sees thread title*

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Come on, it was the first thing that came to my mind when I saw Jacob's loyalty mission, and then when my femShep met Jacob in ME3. That negative racial stereotype. 

 

I said it before, the only way to have countered it in game would have been to have had Miranda move on or go back with Cerberus while Shepard was in prison, but that would have caused rage.

 

I guess they figured that black people had enough positive representation with Anderson. You say Steve? Steve was gay who happened to be black.

[SnakeCode]

Gr8 b8 m8 8/8

[AlanC9]

I agree that ME has a problem with minorities. They're way overrepresented in the game.

And by "minorities," of course, I mean white people.

[Revan Reborn]

Come on, it was the first thing that came to my mind when I saw Jacob's loyalty mission, and then when my femShep met Jacob in ME3. That negative racial stereotype. 

 

I said it before, the only way to have countered it in game would have been to have had Miranda move on or go back with Cerberus while Shepard was in prison, but that would have caused rage.

 

I guess they figured that black people had enough positive representation with Anderson. You say Steve? Steve was gay who happened to be black.

I thought Steve Cortez was hispanic? Maybe he was mixed? In any event, racial diversity was lacking, despite this being the future. That's not to say there wasn't diversity. Of course there was. The problem is a lot of these nods to having a more diverse cast were relegated to minor roles or side characters. Jacob was a chance at doing something more and BioWare failed their FemSheps on that one.

[Commander Rpg]

"Minority Report".

 

I couldn't do better.

[Gothfather]

And how exactly does bioware handle a "Brother" that won't come across as wrong?

 

Canada just doesn't have a large Black population. Period. Black minorities make up around 3% of our population. In Alberta there were less than 75,000 black people in the entire province as of the last census, the province that Mass Effect was made in.  This is just one of those ways that Canada is very different from the US. Outside Toronto, Halifax and Montreal there are very few Black communities of significant percent of the population. Which leads some racists leaders in the US to think Canada is lilly white sanctuary. It isn't we just don't have a large population of African descendants because we never grew cash crops that required intensive manpower hence slavery had little economic advantage in the north.  Vancouver has around 40% of its population made up of people from Asia (the entire continent not just people from east asia), but when the basketball team left Vancouver we lost half our black population or so the joke goes.

 

A Black Canadian isn't going to be culturally the same as a African American. And that cultural difference will make it appear like Bioware is trying to "white wash" black culture. i don't think Americans really understand just how few black people there in Canada outside the cities I mentioned so it isn't like just hire a black writer because well in a pool of less than 75,000 people how many of them have writing experience? How many have game industry experience?

 

The minorities of Canada are different from the States because we have different histories. Expecting a CANADIAN company to be representative of a Foreign country is a little unfair don't you think? To help put this into perspective there are more people that are actually of Chinese decent (not just east asian looking) than there are of Black and Latin American decent combined in Canada. We just don't look the same as America because our citizens are from different parts of the world thus our cultures are divergent. The two largest minorities in the US are tiny in Canada. That is just how different a single boarder can make a country. Hell i don't even consider latin Amricans to be minorities they are just white people to me. last time I looked Spain was filled with WHITE Europeans and Latin America is filled with the descendants of those WHITE Europeans. but that is because I don't belong to the culture of the US that has a history of turning white people into minorities, the irish, the jews, the italians... the list goes on.

 

[Source]https://en.wikipedia...phics_of_Canada

[wright1978]

Well i think the LI cheating thing was very cheap no matter what.

The decision to send him down that route is down to his unpopularity/dullness as a charatcer rather than his race imo.

I  think the key is to write interesting characters black and white, whether they have positive or negative atrriibutes.

[Evamitchelle]

I thought Steve Cortez was hispanic? Maybe he was mixed? In any event, racial diversity was lacking, despite this being the future. That's not to say there wasn't diversity. Of course there was. The problem is a lot of these nods to having a more diverse cast were relegated to minor roles or side characters. Jacob was a chance at doing something more and BioWare failed their FemSheps on that one.

 

There are hispanics of every race. Zoe Saldana calls herself a black latina for example. 

[Revan Reborn]

<reasons>

In fairness, while BioWare started out as a Canadian company, all of the developers who work there aren't Canadian. The game director on Mass Effect Andromeda who just recently left, Chris Wynn, is American. I'm fairly certain the lead writer who just left is also an American. BioWare is a subsidiary of Electronic Arts, an American company, so you better believe they've diversified the company extensively and the studio isn't just comprised of Canadians anymore.

 

While it might seem unfair for BioWare to have to get an African American represented properly in their games, the American market for their video games is much larger than the Canadian market. At the very least, BioWare should be cognizant of that and try to make a game that is more reflective of the market they are catering to rather than making a weak excuse that "we don't have a lot of minorities here so we can't write them." That has never stopped BioWare from writing bisexual, homosexual, and pansexual romances. You better believe most of BioWare's writers have always been white, heterosexual males.

[Revan Reborn]

There are hispanics of every race. Zoe Saldana calls herself a black latina for example. 

I'm not disputing that claim. I'm merely stating I was not aware that Steve Cortez was black. I thought he was hispanic, based on his interactions with James and the fact they'd speak Spanish at one another. Now obviously, there are black hispanics, largely in the Caribbean, but again, I did not suspect Steve was black.

[SolNebula]

If someone gave me a penny for every time a minority is offended by something said/written or created I would be billionaire.

[SporkFu]

I cannot lie, it was nice seeing a minority character. Even though Jacob had a personality of a cardboard box, I did kinda like the representation.

I'm liking your post because sometimes you can never find the right way to describe why you don't like a character and then someone else says it well.

[Quarian Master Race]

Ironic premise, considering Jacob was an unlikable jerk and racist douchecanoe long before becoming a walking stereotype


I did one playthrough where he got the priize before I let him have the suicide mission he volunteered for in the tube. Giving me a couple laughs was the most interesting thing he's ever done in any of my playthroughs. Usually he's just a decoration in the SR-2 armory.

[Evamitchelle]

I'm not disputing that claim. I'm merely stating I was not aware that Steve Cortez was black. I thought he was hispanic, based on his interactions with James and the fact they'd speak Spanish at one another. Now obviously, there are black hispanics, largely in the Caribbean, but again, I did not suspect Steve was black.

 

So you know there are black hispanics but you weren't aware that Cortez was black because you thought he was hispanic ? I'm not sure I follow. With a name like Cortez it's pretty obvious that he's supposed to be latino, but he's also got the darkest skintone available (same as Jacob's) so I don't think it's that surprising to think he's black as well.