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[Qun00]

...Why didn't he seek out the Grey Wardens? True, there is no guarantee that they would take him in, but it definitely is worth a try.

[dragonflight288]

....good question.

 

Probably he wanted to find a way to cure his son completely and keep an heir, not hope for the best. I think he was looking for a 100% guarantee. 

[thats1evildude]

1) Felix wasn't a very strong mage. In fact, World of Thedas Volume 2 mentions that Alexius' father tried to have his grandson eliminated because he was such a poor heir. It's likely the Wardens wouldn't take him, as they only recruit the best.

2) Even if they did, he might not survive the Joining.

3) Even if he did, he would spend the rest of his life fighting darkspawn and inevitably end up dead in the Deep Roads.

[midnight tea]

...Why didn't he seek out the Grey Wardens? True, there is no guarantee that they would take him in, but it definitely is worth a try.

 

But... it's not like Grey Warden have a cure for the blight. Even if Felix survived the Joining and fighting darkspawn for years, he'd eventually die by turning to ghoul or slaughtered in the recesses of the Deep Roads.

[ThePhoenixKing]

Is it ever stated that Alexius knows about the Wardens' resistance to the taint in the first place? He may not have known it was a viable option.

[Qun00]

But... it's not like Grey Warden have a cure for the blight. Even if Felix survived the Joining and fighting darkspawn for years, he'd eventually die by turning to ghoul or slaughtered in the recesses of the Deep Roads.

Hey, 30 years is better than nothing.

Is it ever stated that Alexius knows about the Wardens' resistance to the taint in the first place? He may not have known it was a viable option.

What self-respecting magister wouldn't have such basic knowledge?

[Cute Nug]

Because joining an evil proto-darkspawn magister that would probably destroy Thedas with the extra perk of murdering Tranquils always sounds like the best plan.

 

Perhaps ironic that the derpy demon army summoning Grey Spawn would have been a perfect fit for someone as dumb as Alexius. Missed opportunity.

[midnight tea]

Hey, 30 years is better than nothing.

 

I'm pretty sure it wasn't enough for Alexius - he seemed to have been determined to find a permanent solution. Plus, regardless if he'd accept what is basically a postponed death sentence for his son, that still doesn't change the fact that the Grey Wardens fell victim to Corypheus' manipulation; those were just Orlesian Wardens, but there's no way of telling whether Corypheus wouldn't reach for others at one point as well. And as we know mage Wardens who fell under Corypheus spell basically became his mindless slaves. That's no batter than being a ghoul and I'm pretty sure Alexius wouldn't want that for his son.

[thats1evildude]

Hey, 30 years is better than nothing.

30 years max. If you don't get killed by darkspawn or get eaten by giant spiders or deep stalkers before then, that is. Hardly a perfect solution.

He wanted a cure. Corypheus offered one. Unfortunately for Alexius, the Elder One had no intention of helping his son.

[GoldenGail3]

I suppose Felix was too weak to undertake such the Joining.... He'd die, and that's exactly what Alexuis was like "no!"

[Sifr]

I think that Alexius didn't go to the Wardens for help for a number of reasons.

 

We know he doted on Felix and wanted the best for his son, so the prospect of his beloved son spending the rest of his life fighting Darkspawn was something he couldn't bear to have happen. Even if Felix survived the Joining, he would still ultimately lose his life to the corruption in the end as well. He'd have also had to give up his place in the Magisterium as Alexius' heir if he joined the Warden ranks, potentially spelling the end of their family line.

 

Alexius didn't want a stop gap measure, he wanted a total cure that Corypheus exploited by claiming it was something he could provide. And since Alexius would have known by that point that Corypheus was putting the whammy on the Wardens, not sending his son to them seemed like the right move.

[Ferretinabun]

What self-respecting magister wouldn't have such basic knowledge?

 

The Grey Wardens are kinda supposed to be a secret society - or a group whose inner workings are secret, anyway. I know the series isn't always very clear or consistent on this point, but I don't think a lot of the things we as players know about the Grey Wardens is meant to be public knowledge.

[Sifr]

The Grey Wardens are kinda supposed to be a secret society - or a group whose inner workings are secret, anyway. I know the series isn't always very clear or consistent on this point, but I don't think a lot of the things we as players know about the Grey Wardens is meant to be public knowledge.

 

Yeah, it's implied that it's common knowledge that Wardens are the only ones who are immune to Darkspawn, but very few people know precisely how they become that way, save for that it happens after they undergo the joining ritual.

[Illyria]

Because his boss was using the Warden mages to create an army of demons with no minds of their own?

[Gervaise]

Alexius to Fiona: "Hello there, so what's your history?"

Fiona: "I used to be in the Wardens but they didn't like it because I got cured of the taint."

Alexius:  "Really, how did you manage that?"

 

Actually it may be she did tell him she got the cure from the Architect, who looked at lot like Corypheus and that is why Alexius believe he had a cure.

 

There is another interesting question; according to WoT2 (as opposed to the apparent time scale in the game) Felix was originally infected back in 9:35 but somehow or other Alexius and Dorian managed to cook up some sort of cure that prolonged his life way beyond what would normally be expected, as Dorian says to his father in a letter that you normally expect someone to only last months, not years.    Felix looks fine when you meet him in 9:41, six years after the supposed attack, but then deteriorates rapidly to the state he is in if you do Hushed Whisper in 9:42.    Looks like Alexius would have done better to patch things up with Dorian.

 

Dorian also mentions having been to Weisshaupt and what a dismal place it is to visit.   This is a throw away comment when we are looking around somewhere with a connection to the Wardens but it did make me wonder if Alexius sent him to Weisshaupt when they were still together and looking for a cure, specifically to consult the Grey Wardens and their archives.

[fhs33721]

1) Because to join the Wardens you first have to be a good warrior and/or mage for them to even consider taking you. Which Felix isn't.

2) Even if he was there is a very distinctive chance that the joining makes you fall over dead right where you stand.

3) Even if Felix survived he would then be Grey Warden, which is quite frankly a sh*t-job where you could get killed/eaten pretty much every day. Plus Felix would rarely if ever be able to see his fahter again, which is obviously not to doting Alexius liking. Not to forget that Felix would have a maximum of 30 years left and be assured a gruesome demise at the end of those 30 years.

4)We as the player know that making a deal with Corypheus, is stupid. But from the point of view of Alexius that searches for a way to save his son from dying of the taint a guy that is obviously tainted but has somehow still managed to survive for centuries with his mind completely intact (megalomaia aside) seems like a good source of something that might help.

[myahele]

Aside from the Joining not being a guarantee (we don't know if he knows their secrets) but the fact remains that the Wardens are under the control of Corypheus, meaning that even if Felix survived, he'd have to deal with the fact that Felix could be controlled by Corypheus. Worst case scenario is that he'd be used as corypheus vessel

[nightscrawl]

Alexius didn't want a stop gap measure, he wanted a total cure that Corypheus exploited by claiming it was something he could provide.

I've gotten the feeling that, by the time Corypheus had come around, Alexius was so desperate that he was willing to try anything and allowed himself to fall victim to the false claims. He believed because he wanted to believe. That is what is so tragic about the whole thing. He did all of that, forsook his own beliefs and principles, for the hope of a false promise.

 

4)We as the player know that making a deal with Corypheus, is stupid. But from the point of view of Alexius that searches for a way to save his son from dying of the taint a guy that is obviously tainted but has somehow still managed to survive for centuries with his mind completely intact (megalomaia aside) seems like a good source of something that might help.

I don't think you are giving Alexius's intelligence and experience, nor Corypheus's exploitation, enough credit. From everything Dorian says of him, and everything else known of him, I truly don't believe that anything other than a promised cure for Felix would have persuaded Alexius to join with Corypheus.

[fhs33721]

I don't think you are giving Alexius's intelligence and experience, nor Corypheus's exploitation, enough credit. From everything Dorian says of him, and everything else known of him, I truly don't believe that anything other than a promised cure for Felix would have persuaded Alexius to join with Corypheus.

True. All  I was trying to say is that from Alexius point of view it would seem like Corypheus would actually be able to deliver such a cure, since he himself is obviously able to live noramlly even though he is tainted.

[berelinde]

Because his boss was using the Warden mages to create an army of demons with no minds of their own?

That seems the most likely reason right there. Alexius would not have wanted his only child to become a mindless thrall.

[Illyria]

That seems the most likely reason right there. Alexius would not have wanted his only child to become a mindless thrall.

 

I've seen this question asked a lot but we're given the answer in the game.  Alexius wanted to save Felix, not risk him becoming Cory's vessel or a demon's thrall.

[Gervaise]

I think you are making the mistake of thinking Cory kept everyone in the loop about what he was planning.   Actually I think it was on a need to know basis and Alexius didn't need to know because Cory was using Erimond for dealing with the Wardens.   If Hushed Whispers is anything to go by, when Alexius discovered that Cory had a demon army, he was absolutely terrified particularly as he knew he had failed Cory in turning back time to before the Breach.   At that point he had given up on Cory supplying a cure and was just desperate to keep Felix safe from harm and alive as long as possible, even though it was obvious that Felix had deteriorated to beyond hope.  You notice that when dealing with him, his only thought is Felix and it is quite possible that he would have given up the amulet in exchange for him; we never know because Leliana decides the pre-empt any decision on his part.

[Illyria]

I think you are making the mistake of thinking Cory kept everyone in the loop about what he was planning.   Actually I think it was on a need to know basis and Alexius didn't need to know because Cory was using Erimond for dealing with the Wardens.   If Hushed Whispers is anything to go by, when Alexius discovered that Cory had a demon army, he was absolutely terrified particularly as he knew he had failed Cory in turning back time to before the Breach.   At that point he had given up on Cory supplying a cure and was just desperate to keep Felix safe from harm and alive as long as possible, even though it was obvious that Felix had deteriorated to beyond hope.  You notice that when dealing with him, his only thought is Felix and it is quite possible that he would have given up the amulet in exchange for him; we never know because Leliana decides the pre-empt any decision on his part.

 

I'm sure he'd know something was going on with the Wardens, just not the details.

[midnight tea]

I'm sure he'd know something was going on with the Wardens, just not the details.

 

Yeah, the plan to basically exploit the Wardens and make Cory a demon army was already reaching its conclusion. It was - or rather, it was supposed to be - a coordinated effort, together with everything else: corrupting the templars, scaring the mages into servitude, preparing assassination of Celene, leading the demon army to conquering the South was very likely supposed to happen in unison with Cory's ascension to Black City and claiming of godhood, or shortly after it. When that little detail got wrecked by future Inquisitor, everything else began falling like house of cards, but it's not like that speeding train could be stopped - it has long reached its full speed.

[RoseLawliet]

I'm pretty sure it wasn't enough for Alexius - he seemed to have been determined to find a permanent solution. Plus, regardless if he'd accept what is basically a postponed death sentence for his son,

 

Life is a death sentence, though?