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[Scarlett]

Yeah. I wanted a rainbow color ending personally. Maybe MEA will accommodate my loneliness...

 

I actually thought Halo 4 had the best story out of all the main series games. What I can tell you is it had the best character development for the main characters out of the entire franchise. If Schlerf can do anything right, it's about making believable and engaging characters for you to get involved in. The main plot wasn't that interesting, but the relationship between Master Chief and Cortana as the game progress was an absolute blast!

I want the pink ending to be the best one, where my character stay alive. so romantic XDDD

Also a rainbow ending, I would love it.

 

You see, for Halo4, I read the exact contrary of what you wrote ... So I'm really curious to see what will really happen on MEA and make my own opinion.

*cross my fingers*

[Revan Reborn]

I want the pink ending to be the best one, where my character stay alive. so romantic XDDD

Also a rainbow ending, I would love it.

 

You see, for Halo4, I read the exact contrary of what you wrote ... So I'm really curious to see what will really happen on MEA and make my own opinion.

*cross my fingers*

My Shepard survived on High EMS Destroy, so I've got my bases covered already!

 

Yep. You'll have to decide for yourself. I loved Halo 4's story. It was by far the one most true to the lore and to the characters. None of the other games came even close to that level of development. They were just roller coasters with explosions. That's my opinion though, being someone who has played all the Halo games. Either way, I hope MEA's story is awesome!

[von uber]

N7 is by far the most recognizable symbol in Mass Effect (IT HAS ITS OWN HOLIDAY) and it's by far the most underrepresented part of the games. I wouldn't mind it being further explored.

No it isn't. It's the most marketed but that is a creation outside of the game. N7 only really became a 'thing' in ME3, and even then if you ignore vega and multiplayer you would probably never even nice it. Being a spectre was given far more prominence.

If you ask anyone what a symbol of mass effect is they'll probably say a relay.

[Scarlett]

My Shepard survived on High EMS Destroy, so I've got my bases covered already!

 

Yep. You'll have to decide for yourself. I loved Halo 4's story. It was by far the one most true to the lore and to the characters. None of the other games came even close to that level of development. They were just roller coasters with explosions. That's my opinion though, being someone who has played all the Halo games. Either way, I hope MEA's story is awesome!

Same for me, I picked the destroy ending and she survived too. I was totally enable to kill her anyways.

 

I wish I could play Halo, but I'm sick when I play first player games. So when I read people asking MEA to be a first player shooter I'm so glad Bioware didn't listen to them. Thanks for the chat BTW, I had fun this morning talking with you lol

[Revan Reborn]

No it isn't. It's the most marketed but that is a creation outside of the game. N7 only really became a 'thing' in ME3, and even then if you ignore vega and multiplayer you would probably never even nice it. Being a spectre was given far more prominence.

If you ask anyone what a symbol of mass effect is they'll probably say a relay.

You are playing semantics. The point is, everybody knows the N7 insignia. You are merely reasserting my point that providing more emphasis on N7 in MEA makes sense. As far as being a spectre, that didn't really have any relevance either. It was most prominent in ME1. It was completely ignored in ME2. We had access to a special room in ME3 because of our spectre status, but that was about it. Ultimately, spectres and N7 were both used rather poorly in the ME trilogy.

 

I seriously doubt someone will say a relay is a symbol for Mass Effect.

 

Same for me, I picked the destroy ending and she survived too. I was totally enable to kill her anyways.

 

I wish I could play Halo, but I'm sick when I play first player games. So when I read people asking MEA to be a first player shooter I'm so glad Bioware didn't listen to them. Thanks for the chat BTW, I had fun this morning talking with you lol

Destroy just felt like the best choice, even if it flew up EDI and the Geth. Oh well, sacrifices have to be made. No choice was perfect.

 

Motion sickness? I notice that seems to happen to people quite a bit, especially females. Sure, anytime! I'm here for the fun!

[von uber]

A relay is far more of a symbol than N7. It even appears on loading screens; it had far more prominence.

Regarding SPECTRE usage, the fact that you can be made one at least twice in the game, and use it in dialogue options - and it is used as a reference by other characters - makes it massively more relevant that N7.
Face it, N7 is a marketing logo Bioware are trying to gain traction with to try and tie ME:A back to the trilogy.
N7 is meaningless really - it had no importance for Shepard (her thing was being a Spectre, she didn't go around saying 'look at me I'm an N7!") and that was reflected in the game.

And even in the game N7 is not consistent the few times it is mentioned.

[Revan Reborn]

A relay is far more of a symbol than N7. It even appears on loading screens; it had far more prominence.

Regarding SPECTRE usage, the fact that you can be made one at least twice in the game, and use it in dialogue options - and it is used as a reference by other characters - makes it massively more relevant that N7.
Face it, N7 is a marketing logo Bioware are trying to gain traction with to try and tie ME:A back to the trilogy.
N7 is meaningless really - it had no importance for Shepard (her thing was being a Spectre, she didn't go around saying 'look at me I'm an N7!") and that was reflected in the game.

And even in the game N7 is not consistent the few times it is mentioned.

I'm not arguing it isn't more prominent, I'm arguing spectres and N7 are worthless. Neither status really does Shepard any good. He/She honestly could do without them and the story wouldn't change all that much. Not like the Council ever actually helped that much anyway. All they ever did was never believe Shepard or stay out of his/her way.

 

Well, that's my point. N7 was so underused that MEA is a great opportunity to flesh it out. I'm looking forward to it!

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

I'm not arguing it isn't more prominent, I'm arguing spectres and N7 are worthless. Neither status really does Shepard any good. He/She honestly could do without them and the story wouldn't change all that much. Not like the Council ever actually helped that much anyway. All they ever did was never believe Shepard or stay out of his/her way.
 
Well, that's my point. N7 was so underused that MEA is a great opportunity to flesh it out. I'm looking forward to it!

I think they should leave the N7 alone and leave that to the next game, why not be a simple explorer or an star trekker other than a over the top superhero who saves the day gig?

[Solace]

I'm just going to guess here, but Spectre in MEA will probably come to mean the same-thing Outlander does in SWTOR.

[spinachdiaper]

Spectres should become like the Blades from The Elder Scrolls. Totally covert, underground, and while we're at it the N7's should be on the verge of obsolescence.

[Revan Reborn]

I think they should leave the N7 alone and leave that to the next game, why not be a simple explorer or an star trekker other than a over the top superhero who saves the day gig?

Because I, and I'm sure many, don't want Mass Effect to be Star Trek? I could play STO if that was the kind of experience I'm looking for. I want a Mass Effect game, and N7 is unique to Mass Effect. I'd rather BioWare explore new territory rather than just copying other franchises.

[Vortex13]

It would be cool is Spectres were in ME:A and that the Spectres would actually live up to the lore surrounding them. 

 

According to the lore, Specters are supposed to be above and beyond any other species' military branches in terms of training, equipment and who they answer to. 

 

According to the game, human N7s are the best military force in the entire universe because humans are awesome! 

[Revan Reborn]

It would be cool is Spectres were in ME:A and that the Spectres would actually live up to the lore surrounding them. 

 

According to the lore, Specters are supposed to be above and beyond any other species' military branches in terms of training, equipment and who they answer to. 

 

According to the game, human N7s are the best military force in the entire universe because humans are awesome! 

I'd say Shepard far exceeded the lore in terms of being the greatest Mary Sue to ever live. I'd also say Saren is another great example of a spectre, even after he went rogue.

 

When was it ever stated in the game that the N7 program was the "best military force in the entire universe"? I'm certain you are being facetious, but in the off chance you aren't, that's pretty ridiculous to claim. Especially since we barely even met any N7 operatives, what exactly where they doing?

[Vortex13]

I'd say Shepard far exceeded the lore in terms of being the greatest Mary Sue to ever live. I'd also say Saren is another great example of a spectre, even after he went rogue.

 

When was it ever stated in the game that the N7 program was the "best military force in the entire universe"? I'm certain you are being facetious, but in the off chance you aren't, that's pretty ridiculous to claim. Especially since we barely even met any N7 operatives, what exactly where they doing?

 

It was never stated, but you can easily see how much more narrative spotlight is directed towards the N7s and human military vs. the Specters. You have Ashley/Kaiden being made the second human specter in history, and they treat it like winning a participation ribbon in a footrace with an offhanded comment. Meanwhile Vega's debate on whether to apply for N7 training gets an entire scene devoted to his decision, along with him and Shepard talking about how amazing the N7 program is.

 

Then you have the 'honorary N7s' that the fighting forces/multiplayer characters get labeled with, as if that is some great privilege. Many of those species in the fighting have their own military branches and I'm not to sure they would be super thrilled with the insinuation that N7s are better than them. It would be like going up to a member of the French Foreign Legion, the U.S. Marines, and the Russian Spetsnaz and telling them that they are all now 'honorary Navy Seals'.

[Revan Reborn]

It was never stated, but you can easily see how much more narrative spotlight is directed towards the N7s and human military vs. the Specters. You have Ashley/Kaiden being made the second human specter in history, and they treat it like winning a participation ribbon in a footrace with an offhanded comment. Meanwhile Vega's debate on whether to apply for N7 training gets an entire scene devoted to his decision, along with him and Shepard talking about how amazing the N7 program is.

 

Then you have the 'honorary N7s' that the fighting forces/multiplayer characters get labeled with, as if that is some great privilege. Many of those species in the fighting have their own military branches and I'm not to sure they would be super thrilled with the insinuation that N7s are better than them. It would be like going up to a member of the French Foreign Legion, the U.S. Marines, and the Russian Spetsnaz and telling them that they are all now 'honorary Navy Seals'.

Well, in fairness, Shepard is human. Not to mention, Shepard was N7, so it makes a bit of sense that the game had some human bias in that regard.

 

I felt the Ash/Kaidan spectre status was poorly handled and forced. Due to just the entire role of a spectre never really being developed in the trilogy, I didn't really see a value or a point in one of the long-standing companions getting it. Certainly, the game didn't change in any meaningful way.

 

To be honest, up until Vega's dialogue, we didn't know anything about the N7. We knew a lot more about the spectres and BioWare clearly wanted to at least explain what the N7 program was. I don't see how you jump to the conclusion that means they are the "best in the universe." They are certainly the best humanity has to offer, but I don't believe BioWare implied anything beyond that.

 

Multiplayer in no way is lore-driven nor would I use it as an example of explaining what N7 is. If you recall, all of the best weapons are N7 weapons. I don't believe you should literally understand it suggesting N7 is better. Again, the only reason any of that stuff was likely included was just to rectify the issue that the N7 really played no role in Mass Effect at all. I'd say a better example of N7 not being the "greatest ever" was in the actual single player where you help that scientist survive in that underground facility that was an N7 mission (one of the MP maps). Once it's completed and if she survives, she gains N7 status. She, obviously, wasn't some sort of super soldier or a cut above the rest.

[Vortex13]

Well, in fairness, Shepard is human. Not to mention, Shepard was N7, so it makes a bit of sense that the game had some human bias in that regard.

 

I felt the Ash/Kaidan spectre status was poorly handled and forced. Due to just the entire role of a spectre never really being developed in the trilogy, I didn't really see a value or a point in one of the long-standing companions getting it. Certainly, the game didn't change in any meaningful way.

 

To be honest, up until Vega's dialogue, we didn't know anything about the N7. We knew a lot more about the spectres and BioWare clearly wanted to at least explain what the N7 program was. I don't see how you jump to the conclusion that means they are the "best in the universe." They are certainly the best humanity has to offer, but I don't believe BioWare implied anything beyond that.

 

Multiplayer in no way is lore-driven nor would I use it as an example of explaining what N7 is. If you recall, all of the best weapons are N7 weapons. I don't believe you should literally understand it suggesting N7 is better. Again, the only reason any of that stuff was likely included was just to rectify the issue that the N7 really played no role in Mass Effect at all. I'd say a better example of N7 not being the "greatest ever" was in the actual single player where you help that scientist survive in that underground facility that was an N7 mission (one of the MP maps). Once it's completed and if she survives, she gains N7 status. She, obviously, wasn't some sort of super soldier or a cut above the rest.

 

 

N7 is implied as the best because humans are implied at being the best, it's just a continuation of the human-centric narrative.

 

ME 3 never makes a big point about how this one Asari is a Commando, or how this one Salarian is STG, but it will go out of it's way to point out how Shepard is an N7, how Vega is a wannabe N7, and how Kia Leng was an N7 etc. If the human special forces were truly on par with the rest of galaxy the narrative wouldn't make a huge deal about it, but the plot focuses on it, so in the eyes of the story humans are the most special, and our special forces are super special. 

 

Also, the bit about the 'honorary N7s' is a codex entry in the SP, even if one is going to completely discount the MP side of things, we still have a part of the "official" lore going on about how other species are being awarded this title, thus insinuating that the N7s are better than other species' militaries. You don't read anything about humans being awarded 'honorary STG' status, or Asari commandos being inducted as 'honorary Battlemasters' for example.

[Revan Reborn]

N7 is implied as the best because humans are implied at being the best, it's just a continuation of the human-centric narrative.

 

ME 3 never makes a big point about how this one Asari is a Commando, or how this one Salarian is STG, but it will go out of it's way to point out how Shepard is an N7, how Vega is a wannabe N7, and how Kia Leng was an N7 etc. If the human special forces were truly on par with the rest of galaxy the narrative wouldn't make a huge deal about it, but the plot focuses on it, so in the eyes of the story humans are the most special, and our special forces are super special. 

 

Also, the bit about the 'honorary N7s' is a codex entry in the SP, even if one is going to completely discount the MP side of things, we still have a part of the "official" lore going on about how other species are being awarded this title, thus insinuating that the N7s are better than other species' militaries. You don't read anything about humans being awarded 'honorary STG' status, or Asari commandos being inducted as 'honorary Battlemasters' for example.

A narrative, I believe, is fan-interpreted and doesn't actually exist within the framework of the game. From my own personal consumption of the game's content, it was never humanity that was special, but Shepard that was special. As a consequence, humanity received perks and benefits as well as a lot of attention because Shepard was special.

 

This is a very common syllogistic fallacy that many people misunderstand, and for good reason. For example:

 

Commander Shepard is special. (Major Premise)

Commander Shepard is human. (Minor Premise)

Thus, all humans are special. (Conclusion)

 

Just because Commander Shepard is special does not mean, by consequence, all humans are special. If this were the case, all spectres, as an example, would be humans as they are deemed the best the galaxy has to offer. If you actually replay through all three games, you will notice it is exclusively Shepard, and not humanity, that is the driving force of why the game appears to be human-centric, when it's really not about humans at all.

 

Again, Kai Leng and Vega were merely ways of fleshing out the N7 program because BioWare literally did not explain it, at all, in the first two games. You also can't forget that Kai Leng was a part of Cerberus, a human-only organization, so there are a lot of assumptions and leaps in logic you are making here to come to the conclusion that "N7 is special."

 

How does an honorary status suggest N7 is somehow superior? A better comparison would be if a mayor is giving someone a key to a city. This person isn't receiving this gift because the mayor is somehow superior and bestowing this honor upon them. The mayor is offering this gift as a means of paying his/her respects to this persons work, dedication, and achievement in society. Being an honorary N7 just means a non-human species did something that N7 program felt was worthy of recognition. As far as why it's never mentioned if STG or another organization has a similar award, perhaps it's just a cultural difference? It certainly doesn't mean, by any stretch of the word, that N7 is better just because they are recognizing achievements of other species.

[Vortex13]

A narrative, I believe, is fan-interpreted and doesn't actually exist within the framework of the game. From my own personal consumption of the game's content, it was never humanity that was special, but Shepard that was special. As a consequence, humanity received perks and benefits as well as a lot of attention because Shepard was special.

 

This is a very common syllogistic fallacy that many people misunderstand, and for good reason. For example:

 

Commander Shepard is special. (Major Premise)

Commander Shepard is human. (Minor Premise)

Thus, all humans are special. (Conclusion)

 

 

Shepard is the driving force, but humanity is still recognized as special even before he/she arrives on the scene. For example:

 

Humanity is the only species apparently smart enough to conceive of fighter carriers for our fleets. Humanity goes from discovering alien life in the First Contact War to embassy status on the Citadel in the span of 25 years, ahead of other species that have been waiting for hundreds of years. Humanity somehow manages to rival the Volus; the ones in charge of managing the galactic economy; in terms of economic power in that time frame. Humanity is the only one capable of developing a universal medical aid in the form of medi-gel, despite the other species have thousands more years worth of xenobiology on their side. Humanity's own rogue black ops group, Cerberus is able to track down and pinpoint the location of the Shadow Broker despite the latter having a massive pre-established framework of informants and hard data on everyone that has existed longer than humanity has even been a part of galactic society (and this is before Cerberus goes all Reaper crazy). Humanity are able to create the most powerful biotic in existence, a human known as Jack, despite other species, like the Asari having evolved to incorporate eezo into their biology and are all naturally biotic. Humans are the most genetically diverse species in the galaxy, leading us to being the prime target of the Reapers for accession. Etc.

 

 

Shepard may be the biggest Mary Sue in the universe, but he/she comes from a race of special snowflakes.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

Because I, and I'm sure many, don't want Mass Effect to be Star Trek? I could play STO if that was the kind of experience I'm looking for. I want a Mass Effect game, and N7 is unique to Mass Effect. I'd rather BioWare explore new territory rather than just copying other franchises.

I didn't say that it should be like Star Trek (although they can get inspiration from them to create a sound story for traveling to another galaxy and exploring.) I meant star trekker as an occupation. Why not have multiple occupations to choose from as a career background(s) instead of just stick to be a soldier? If they want to do the N7, they should've done better how they're represented in the first place with the trilogy.

[Revan Reborn]

Shepard is the driving force, but humanity is still recognized as special even before he/she arrives on the scene. For example:

 

Humanity is the only species apparently smart enough to conceive of fighter carriers for our fleets. Humanity goes from discovering alien life in the First Contact War to embassy status on the Citadel in the span of 25 years, ahead of other species that have been waiting for hundreds of years. Humanity somehow manages to rival the Volus; the ones in charge of managing the galactic economy; in terms of economic power in that time frame. Humanity is the only one capable of developing a universal medical aid in the form of medi-gel, despite the other species have thousands more years worth of xenobiology on their side. Humanity's own rogue black ops group, Cerberus is able to track down and pinpoint the location of the Shadow Broker despite the latter having a massive pre-established framework of informants and hard data on everyone that has existed longer than humanity has even been a part of galactic society (and this is before Cerberus goes all Reaper crazy). Humanity are able to create the most powerful biotic in existence, a human known as Jack, despite other species, like the Asari having evolved to incorporate eezo into their biology and are all naturally biotic. Humans are the most genetically diverse species in the galaxy, leading us to being the prime target of the Reapers for accession. Etc.

 

 

Shepard may be the biggest Mary Sue in the universe, but he/she comes from a race of special snowflakes.

Salarians made their own galactic breakthroughs as well as the turians and especially asari. Heck, the quarians created an entirely new species of sentient machines. What does humanity having to make some innovations when others haven't made those specific ones have to do with them being "special"? It merely shows humanity has a different perspective, thus they can innovate in different ways.

 

As I told someone else in another thread, gaining embassy status isn't a symptom of being "special," rather it's a political process and other species (volus and elcor) were not as effective at making their way through Citadel politics.

 

Cerberus tracked down the Shadow Broker? Wasn't that Liara? Perhaps I'm missing something. I haven't played LotSB in a while, but I don't think Cerberus had anything to do with it. In fact, it seemed as if Shepard's spectre status actually played more of a role than anything else.

 

Is Jack actually the "most powerful biotic in existence"? I don't remember that being stated anywhere in the game. She's obviously powerful. The most powerful though? That sounds like embellishment on your part.

 

The reapers targeted humanity primarily because of Shepard. He destroyed Sovereign. This was the catalyst for them to use the Collector's to start harvesting because the reapers were obsessed with Shepard, who was human. I remember the part about them being genetically diverse, but I believe that was only a minor aspect of why the reapers were truly after humanity.

 

Again, everything that happens in ME1-3 is either directly or indirectly because of Shepard's exploits. Shepard is literally the one person everybody talks about 24/7 in the game.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

Shepard is the driving force, but humanity is still recognized as special even before he/she arrives on the scene. For example:

Humanity is the only species apparently smart enough to conceive of fighter carriers for our fleets. Humanity goes from discovering alien life in the First Contact War to embassy status on the Citadel in the span of 25 years, ahead of other species that have been waiting for hundreds of years. Humanity somehow manages to rival the Volus; the ones in charge of managing the galactic economy; in terms of economic power in that time frame. Humanity is the only one capable of developing a universal medical aid in the form of medi-gel, despite the other species have thousands more years worth of xenobiology on their side. Humanity's own rogue black ops group, Cerberus is able to track down and pinpoint the location of the Shadow Broker despite the latter having a massive pre-established framework of informants and hard data on everyone that has existed longer than humanity has even been a part of galactic society (and this is before Cerberus goes all Reaper crazy). Humanity are able to create the most powerful biotic in existence, a human known as Jack, despite other species, like the Asari having evolved to incorporate eezo into their biology and are all naturally biotic. Humans are the most genetically diverse species in the galaxy, leading us to being the prime target of the Reapers for accession. Etc.


Shepard may be the biggest Mary Sue in the universe, but he/she comes from a race of special snowflakes.

I'm pretty much fed up with "Humanity is special" trope. Come up with something new for a change and not the human-centric superhero N7 corny typical character. It begin to lose its substance as ME if they continue to use repetition of storytelling and come up with something new to make ME fresh, not just copy/paste like in every game they make.

[Vortex13]

Salarians made their own galactic breakthroughs as well as the turians and especially asari. Heck, the quarians created an entirely new species of sentient machines. What does humanity having to make some innovations when others haven't made those specific ones have to do with them being "special"? It merely shows humanity has a different perspective, thus they can innovate in different ways.

 

As I told someone else in another thread, gaining embassy status isn't a symptom of being "special," rather it's a political process and other species (volus and elcor) were not as effective at making their way through Citadel politics.

 

Cerberus tracked down the Shadow Broker? Wasn't that Liara? Perhaps I'm missing something. I haven't played LotSB in a while, but I don't think Cerberus had anything to do with it. In fact, it seemed as if Shepard's spectre status actually played more of a role than anything else.

 

Is Jack actually the "most powerful biotic in existence"? I don't remember that being stated anywhere in the game. She's obviously powerful. The most powerful though? That sounds like embellishment on your part.

 

The reapers targeted humanity primarily because of Shepard. He destroyed Sovereign. This was the catalyst for them to use the Collector's to start harvesting because the reapers were obsessed with Shepard, who was human. I remember the part about them being genetically diverse, but I believe that was only a minor aspect of why the reapers were truly after humanity.

 

Again, everything that happens in ME1-3 is either directly or indirectly because of Shepard's exploits. Shepard is literally the one person everybody talks about 24/7 in the game.

 

• None of the other species' accomplishments or specific traits rival the break throughs that humanity had though. Salarians have a great spy network? Humans/Cerberus walk all over them in that department. The Turians have the strongest military? Humans come up with the concept of a carrier that puts the two on roughly even footing. Etc. 

 

• Political machinations aside, how is it that humanity can rival the galactic bankers of the milky way economically in less than fifty years? Is it because we are collectively more driven, more creative, more special as a species?

 

• Cerberus is the one that gives Liara the information that she needs to go after the Shadow Broker, they do a ton of the legwork for her and in her words, she wouldn't have ever been able to track down the Shadow Broker without Cerberus' help.

 

• Jack is alluded to being the most powerful biotic by several audio recordings when doing her loyalty mission and reading up on her dossier. The mass effect wiki says she is most likely the strongest human biotic in existence so I'll give you that, but she still is on par with the Asari biotically, despite that being the Asari's 'thing'.

 

• Being more genetically diverse also makes humanity more resistant to diseases and viruses that would wreck other species. The Collector plague on Omega is the perfect example. Only the humans and vorcha were immune; and the vorcha are mentally handicapped when compared to baseline humanity anyway so humanity would win out there as well.

[Revan Reborn]

• None of the other species' accomplishments or specific traits rival the break throughs that humanity had though. Salarians have a great spy network? Humans/Cerberus walk all over them in that department. The Turians have the strongest military? Humans come up with the concept of a carrier that puts the two on roughly even footing. Etc. 

 

• Political machinations aside, how is it that humanity can rival the galactic bankers of the milky way economically in less than fifty years? Is it because we are collectively more driven, more creative, more special as a species?

 

• Cerberus is the one that gives Liara the information that she needs to go after the Shadow Broker, they do a ton of the legwork for her and in her words, she wouldn't have ever been able to track down the Shadow Broker without Cerberus' help.

 

• Jack is alluded to being the most powerful biotic by several audio recordings when doing her loyalty mission and reading up on her dossier. The mass effect wiki says she is most likely the strongest human biotic in existence so I'll give you that, but she still is on par with the Asari biotically, despite that being the Asari's 'thing'.

 

• Being more genetically diverse also makes humanity more resistant to diseases and viruses that would wreck other species. The Collector plague on Omega is the perfect example. Only the humans and vorcha were immune; and the vorcha are mentally handicapped when compared to baseline humanity anyway so humanity would win out there as well.

Is that really true? Though? Or is that just what you believe? Salarians created the genophage, for one, which in itself is a scientific marvel that I doubt any other species could accomplish. Don't the quarians actually have the strongest fleet in the galaxy? It's by far the largest.

 

The volus aren't exactly the most moral species in the galaxy. Whether they are caught in scandals, underworld dealings, corruption, etc., there could be a variety of reasons the Council has been wary of bringing the volus into the fold.

 

In fairness, ME2 was largely about Cerberus and the whole point of the game was to show Cerberus would do what the Alliance wouldn't. We honestly don't know enough about how Cerberus figured out where the Shadow broker was in order to conclude they are thus the "best intelligence organization in the galaxy." Cerberus only cares about furthering humanity, so if there was any in to figuring out more about the Shadow broker, it would relate to that.

 

I'm sure she's the most powerful human biotic. I just doubt she'd be more powerful than the strongest of asari justicars.

 

Again, I still believe the major incentive to go after humanity was Shepard. Harbinger was obsessed with Shepard.

[Vortex13]

Is that really true? Though? Or is that just what you believe? Salarians created the genophage, for one, which in itself is a scientific marvel that I doubt any other species could accomplish. Don't the quarians actually have the strongest fleet in the galaxy? It's by far the largest.

 

The volus aren't exactly the most moral species in the galaxy. Whether they are caught in scandals, underworld dealings, corruption, etc., there could be a variety of reasons the Council has been wary of bringing the volus into the fold.

 

In fairness, ME2 was largely about Cerberus and the whole point of the game was to show Cerberus would do what the Alliance wouldn't. We honestly don't know enough about how Cerberus figured out where the Shadow broker was in order to conclude they are thus the "best intelligence organization in the galaxy." Cerberus only cares about furthering humanity, so if there was any in to figuring out more about the Shadow broker, it would relate to that.

 

I'm sure she's the most powerful human biotic. I just doubt she'd be more powerful than the strongest of asari justicars.

 

Again, I still believe the major incentive to go after humanity was Shepard. Harbinger was obsessed with Shepard.

 

Well the Quarians have the largest fleet, but they are also the most fragile, the term the codex uses is glass cannons specifically. They could rival the Turians' fleet in size, but when it come to slugging it out over an extended engagement, the Turians would win out.

 

I'm not talking about the Volus' acceptance into the Citadel embassy, I'm talking about their economic power. The Volus are the ones that have created the base currency of the galaxy and are the ones in charge of the exchange rates for all the other species. They have been the most powerful economic player in the galaxy for hundreds of years, and suddenly a newcomer species shows up and rivals them in terms of success and power in 30 years. That level of economic power shift, in a system created by the Volus no less, is not possible in that timeframe unless the newcomer species has some kind of special power of God (writers) behind them that says they can automatically win.

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There should only be a N7 if there is an Alliance military in ME:A.