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[DeepGray]

[quote]Hellrazer360 wrote...

[/quote]The graphics card was just an example. You said hold technology back, nothing about adoption rates. My comment was technology isnt getting held back. Having a low adoption rate is different than holding technology back.
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Graphic cards have nothing to do with TV and are seperate issues making it a terrible example. Tech and adpotion rates are related. 3D has been around for ages, yet now it's only on TVs? HDTVs are slowing gaining market share but SDTV is still in the majority. If you SDers upgraded faster, 3D tech would have been out sooner due to higher demand. Developers would make games compatitable with 3D sooner due to a market for it. ME2 could have been played in 3D. But it's not happening because of you.

[quote]Hellrazer360 wrote...
Until SDTV is officially dead I'm not gonna worry about upgrading
[/quote]
I wonder how long it took you to go from vinyl to cassettes to CDs and VHS to DVD...

























I mean, you DID upgrade those right? [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png[/smilie]

Modifié par DeepGray, 28 janvier 2010 - 07:48 .

[DeepGray]

doublepost

Modifié par DeepGray, 28 janvier 2010 - 07:47 .

[stuman89]

What the hell has happened in this thread? People just want the font a little bigger so they can read it easier. I will assume they are not morons and dont actually want the text to cover half of the screen, so what is the big deal?



All you future geeks, ease up. Not everyone can have a transporter.



All of you cave men, companies shouldnt still have to lay telegraph lines.



......O wait, neither of those points matter because the OP was just trying to be silly in stating his desires about WANTING BIGGER FONT. Sheesh.

[The55PercentCrew]

Hellrazer360 wrote...

The55PercentCrew wrote...

jaboaty wrote...

 Maybe you could've spent a little less time making a gigantic DLC scavenger hunt and a little more time making the game playable for everyone. Im sure its probably been said to death, but text is completely unreadable on SD TVs.

I am enjoying the game (about as much as I can) but is this a sign showing how you plan on treating your customers in the future?  Considering how much I've enjoyed your past games, this is really disappointing.

I understand your annoyance, but you need to understand that the SD TV is a dying breed. The people who review these games, and avid gamers, have forked up their hard earned money to play these games in HD. However, your argument is still valid. How hard would it be to make a text size option?

I think we completely understand it is but keyword "Dying". Until SDTV is officially dead I'm not gonna worry about upgrading

I understand that you understand, but you left out my arguement of adding a text size option.

[Hellrazer360]

DeepGray wrote...

doublepost

Upgrading to DVD was hell of alot cheaper than upgrading to HDTV. Plus I rent all my DVD's I never bought a single one.

[Massadonious1]

There is a gigantic difference between VHS-DVD and SD-HDTV.



The SDTV's can still display images just fine. It's not like there is any compatibility issues, unless you still have bunny ears for whatever godawful reason.



My TV was one of the biggest non-big screen SDTV's at the time, and as long as it's working, I really don't feel the need to upgrade when the difference in picture quality is not worth the extra $300-500 to me.

[joaks]

Sitting too close to the television does not damage your eyes, people need to stop believing that myth.

[artakartel]

Booster008 wrote...

in this day and age... who doesn't have some sort of HDTV/or widescreen computer monitor? HDTV's are dirt cheap.



do you blame other companies for not making games that are compatible with Windows 95?

Just so you know, what you posted is an unintelligent comment.

[der spudmeister]

How bad is it? Is it Dead Rising bad? Because that would really sour the experience :S



And people saying HDTV's are cheap; well spotted, Sherlock! Blu-ray players are cheap too, how many of you got one? My SDTV still works like a charm, so why would I spend 500 euros (if I buy an HDTV I'll buy a good one) on a new television? For those 2 games I have where text is nigh illegible? Don't be ridiculous.



If things get too ugly I can still hook my Xbox up to one of the 2 HD televisions in this house, but it's sad if Mass Effect 2 suffers from Dead Risingitis.

[Hellrazer360]

der spudmeister wrote...

How bad is it? Is it Dead Rising bad? Because that would really sour the experience :S

And people saying HDTV's are cheap; well spotted, Sherlock! Blu-ray players are cheap too, how many of you got one? My SDTV still works like a charm, so why would I spend 500 euros (if I buy an HDTV I'll buy a good one) on a new television? For those 2 games I have where text is nigh illegible? Don't be ridiculous.

If things get too ugly I can still hook my Xbox up to one of the 2 HD televisions in this house, but it's sad if Mass Effect 2 suffers from Dead Risingitis.

I'm with ya. I'm not gonna upgrade to something I dont need and shouldnt have to have to enjoy my game

[brightblueink]

Okay, I have an HDTV and I can read the text fine, but REALLY guys? You're acting like a bunch of jerks.



Honestly, I didn't see any problem with the text in the first Mass Effect, and would it really be that hard to have a feature where you can choose your font size? I've played games before where you could change the font to your liking, so it must be doable.

[fanman72]

You're really missing out if you're playing on an SDTV

[Captain Jazz]

DeepGray wrote...

Hellrazer360 wrote...
I dont care if its the year 2030 and I still have an SDTV I dont want my game expierience hampered by tiny text (Probably a very easily fixed thing).

This kind of attitude is holding technology (and everyone else) back.

My eyes are incompatible with the new wave of 3D vision, should I upgrade my eyes so that I am compatible in time for 3D gaming to become the norm, or should I expect that I will be given the option to play in 2D when the time comes? Will my attitude be holding back technology?


Bioware guys, surely this is something that you can update with a patch? I doubt it'll be a problem for me, I'm a PC gamer, so I have no problems with being close-ish to the screen, but surely allowing the font size to be increased can only be good for you? You're known for quality, please do keep that up.

[handheld]

fanman72 wrote...

You're really missing out if you're playing on an SDTV

Handheld is sorry but Handheld does not have a spare 200 dollars Handheld himself barely has enough money to get gas so he can drive to work handheld also believes many that live within this economy today have a similar way of thinking.

Handheld thinks its simple making an income to pay ones bills and support ones family is a much higher priority than an HDTV Handheld thinks many miss that point or that many dont have a family such as Handheld himself or others.

[AtreiyaN7]

17-inch monitor, 1920x1200 resolution - laptop PC. The text is crisp and perfectly readable last time I looked, which was two minutes ago. I popped out of the game to check the forums.

[brgillespie]

Next time you're wandering around the store looking to drop $60 - $70 dollars on an X-Box 360 game, save the money for an HDTV. You can get a low-end model for $200 now.

To those using the "I don't have enough money for one, I have a mortgage and I'm broke and I'm resorting to whoring my body to perverted men for dollar bills" excuses... you scrounged enough disposable income to buy a $60 videogame... it's hard to give credit to such reasons when you're still buying frivolous crap. Save that money a little bit longer next time and join the current level of technology, even if you're buying into the low-end of the field.

Modifié par brgillespie, 28 janvier 2010 - 10:31 .

[FluxDeluxe]

To all the people griefing others for not having HDTV's



http://www.eurogamer...ard-def-article

[EG NeoMorph]

jaboaty wrote...

We're blaming Bioware for either not testing for SD screens (Which Im guessing most people still use for playing games) or for just not caring. So either they were sloppy or they are purposefully trying to shoot them selves in the foot and alienate a major chunk of their customer base.

LOL... alienate... nice pun!

Kids living at home with parents and they won't let him play the game on the HDTV... must have a plasma and are afraid of screen burn. I've got a plasma that's about 5 years old and I haven't had screen burn from gaming at all... and I paid over £2500 for my Pioneer PDP-435XDE (best plasma that was out then).

I'm having problems being sympathetic with the OP though... I never had my own TV when I was a kid living at home... Mind you I'm 48 (and still love playing video games heh) and can remember when we had our first colour TV as well (grew up with TV in Black and White heh).

But still... Mass Effect is designed for 720P... says so on the box I think.

Modifié par EG NeoMorph, 28 janvier 2010 - 10:59 .

[FluxDeluxe]

From the link, try and cure some ignorance for the scope of the problem...



Standard Def: The Forgotten Generation

July 25th, 2009



In an interview on Eurogamer this week, Epic Games' Mark Rein dropped what you might call a technological bombshell: over half of the Xbox 360 owners who played Gears of War 2 did so on a standard-definition television.



Of course, there are certain caveats attached to Rein's information, but if anything, it paints an even bleaker picture of the take-up of high-definition displays. The only way Epic is able to make this determination at all is down to the information relayed back to Microsoft HQ via the Xbox Live connection, which phones home with all manner of intriguing, but apparently non-personal information about how you use your console. The means of this data collection suggests that while the standard-def gamers in questions may be display-challenged, they're not Luddites - they have either the nous to connect up their 360 to the internet via a LAN cable, or else they've invested in Microsoft's supremely expensive wireless dongle.



While no similar information is available about the PlayStation 3, gut feeling tells me that the situation is similar, even assuming that people with more money to spend on a premium console should be more capable of affording an HD display. While the platform holders are making headway into getting their consoles into the living room (where HDTVs are far more likely to be situated), a ton of them are actually being located in the bedroom/office. Gaming remains a mostly solitary experience that ties up a TV for hours at a time - not good when the wife/parents have pencilled in a Coronation Street/Midsomer Murders double-header for the evening.



While I'm fairly confident in suggesting that Eurogamers en masse are most likely HDed up to the max (or at least to 720p), the questions I want to ask consist of the following: how do developers approach the SD modes in the games? And, are there any performance penalties over and above the reduction in detail? More than that, bearing in mind that less than half the resolution needs to be rendered, are there actually any performance benefits in dropping down to SD, or indeed 480p? In short, assuming that SDTV owners are indeed around 50 per cent of the audience, are they getting the attention they deserve?

[brgillespie]

I fail to see your point, Flux. Lots of gamers are hanging onto ancient TV sets instead of purchasing something new? I still have VHS player around my house (sooomewhere, might still work, might not). I demand new movie releases in VHS format!

I have a standard def TV in my bedroom and a whammo-zammo big screen HDTV in my living room with 240mhz screen refresh and "smoothmotion" tech and blahblahblah. The difference in visual quality, (especially when watching a Blu-Ray) is staggering. There are moments when I'm watching a movie and it looks real.

The difference in visual parity between an HDTV and a SDTV when playing a videogame is not as dramatic, as the article Flux posted states. The framerate is still the same. The sharpness and clarity of the image being presented is quite different, however.

Modifié par brgillespie, 28 janvier 2010 - 11:13 .

[Notla1972]

If you can afford 60.00 plus 360 games you can save up for a HDTV.

[EG NeoMorph]

The main SD users are going to be kids in their bedroom at home... maybe a hand me down from the living room after the parents go HD.

My plasma is only 1080i but is really good still. There has to be second hand HD screens available in the price range of a couple of 360 games I would have thought.

It's all about priorities... would you buy say 4 new release 360 games or a new HD screen? Most kids go for the games sadly enough.

Modifié par EG NeoMorph, 28 janvier 2010 - 11:20 .

[FluxDeluxe]

brgillespie wrote...

I fail to see your point, Flux. Lots of gamers are hanging onto ancient TV sets instead of purchasing something new? I still have VHS player around my house (sooomewhere, might still work, might not). I demand new movie releases in VHS format!

True very true, however you do have a dvd player. DVD players are what £15 ? HDTV's are considerably more expensive. Also the transition from VHS to DVD was quick and the technology relatively cheaper in comparison. I think any responsible developer needs to look at the market (especially when 50% of the share is involved) and make minor provisions for them i.e making the text size 12 instead of 6. If we were talking 5 to 10 percent then i would agree. The figures however speak for themselves around 50% XBL subscribers have SD T.V's. I'm arguing devils advocate to a certain extent because although i don't own a HDTV (2 standard def 32") i still have the option of hooking up to my 19" computer flatscreen monitor. I just think that people have  a point and it's a pointless argument to say 'buy a new T.V' when their specific financial or social circumstances may prevent that.  A £3-400 investment in a HD T.V  to specifically play certain computer games may be viewed as a frivilous use of money say compared to spending money on your kids etc etc.