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[Riot Inducer]

Maybe I'm in the minority on this but I honestly don't care about the whole SD vs HD bull**** the issue is the actual font size on the console version. It's a bit stupid that I have to be within 3 feet of the screen and still squint a bit to read my in game emails and codex entries, I have a 32" screen and no space for anything larger.

It should have been simple to allow for larger UI elements for people with different resolutions and set ups, even on a big screen you might want larger text since your chair is on the other side of the room.

[EG NeoMorph]

HDTV's are getting cheaper though... Soon they will come free in your cereal box...

[brgillespie]

I get what you're saying, Flux. It's just tough to take financial/social excuses seriously when we're talking about someone dropping $60 on a console system that cost $300 in the first place. It's all disposable income, a type of money that vanishes in a hurry if the situation is truly dire.



Upgrading to an HDTV isn't prohibitively expensive if one finds themselves able to purchase a game. If you're honestly in a situation where you're scraping by on your mortgage, car payments, eating ramen noodles every night, then you shouldn't be dropping money on a videogame. Or a console system. Or, hell, the internet you're paying for to be able to post complaints about a lack of support for last-generation technology.

[Semper Mortem]

I must have one Amazing SD TV or super eyesite because I can read the text fine. Probably why I've never got around to getting a new TV this one still looks fine for me.

Modifié par Semper Mortem, 28 janvier 2010 - 11:31 .

[Descedent]

brgillespie wrote...

I get what you're saying, Flux. It's just tough to take financial/social excuses seriously when we're talking about someone dropping $60 on a console system that cost $300 in the first place. It's all disposable income, a type of money that vanishes in a hurry if the situation is truly dire.

Upgrading to an HDTV isn't prohibitively expensive if one finds themselves able to purchase a game. If you're honestly in a situation where you're scraping by on your mortgage, car payments, eating ramen noodles every night, then you shouldn't be dropping money on a videogame. Or a console system. Or, hell, the internet you're paying for to be able to post complaints about a lack of support for last-generation technology.

DING DING DING! this is whats wrong with 3/4 of america who expect everything just to be given to them.

go to work pay your bills. EARN nice stuff.

[brgillespie]

If you do have a standard definition TV, at least do yourself a small favor and use composite video cables in lieu of crap like the A/V cables so commonly seen.



If your TV doesn't have composite video outlets, then you REALLY need to upgrade. You're so backwards you're regressing through time.

[BloPant]

This was posted in the other thread with the same topic.


"A recent Cable & Telecommunications Association for Marketing
(CTAM) tracking Pulse report shows strong growth over the past year in
HDTV ownership. In 2009, 53 percent of total U.S. households report
owning a high definition television, an 18 percentage point increase in
ownership over 2008, when 35 percent of households reported owning an
HDTV (23 percent in 2007). Among HDTV set owners, 69 percent now
subscribe to high definition service, compared to 56 percent a year ago.


Ownership of large screen televisions -32 inches and larger - has
also seen solid growth. In 2009, 59 percent of households owned one, up
from 52 percent in 2008 (44 percent in 2007)."


so thats 41% that don't have HDTV. thats way to big for bioware to just forget about.

[Massadonious1]

Hey all you homeowners, you were able to afford a $250,000 house....go out and buy a fleet of Aston Martin's since you're so rich!



Fail logic is fail.



I'd be very suprised if I buy more than 2 or 3 games this year. And to be honest, I'd rather have those 2-3 games and a working TV, than a HDTV and no games.

[SrGrvsaLot]

There's no real reason for a person who is not an AV obsessive to upgrade from SD to HD. The gains are so marginal that the expense simply isn't worth it. This is very different than from previous tech upgrades (for example DVDs could store more information, were cheaper, easier to search, took up less space, and didn't need to be rewound, and were less prone to wear and tear - the supposed "picture quality" increase between a VHS and DVD was negligible to the untrained eye). HD simply suffers from diminishing returns - a standard definition TV works perfectly well for 99.9% of its desired applications, and most people aren't willing to throw out a perfectly functional device just so they can view improved mud chunkiness.

[Xotli]

ITT: People with rich parents who complain that you're a cheap bastard.

[Madapaca]

Riot Inducer wrote...

Maybe I'm in the minority on this but I honestly don't care about the whole SD vs HD bull**** the issue is the actual font size on the console version. It's a bit stupid that I have to be within 3 feet of the screen and still squint a bit to read my in game emails and codex entries, I have a 32" screen and no space for anything larger.
It should have been simple to allow for larger UI elements for people with different resolutions and set ups, even on a big screen you might want larger text since your chair is on the other side of the room.

Riot, the issue is the HD versus SD. The text is readable on HD, it's not on SD. That makes this an HD vs SD issue. There are five pages of posts going on in the tech support forum about this very topic. As I stated there, I doubt this issue is going to be fixed. Bioware/EA have pretty much shown their stance on moving along with progress. Mass Effect 1 had easier to read text beacuase it's development started back in 2005, upon it's release in 2007, HD-TVs were still not in many homes.

Fast foward to 2010 and Mass Effect 2's release, HD-TVs are now so commonplace that regular SD sets are no longer even sold in stores in most places. I said in the other thread most of this but I'll sum it up here by saying: they made this choice, people are not going to like it or agree with it; but I personally doubt they will do anything at all.

It's exactly like the Dead Rising situation, and to some extent B&K Nuts and Bolts. Initially Rare stated they would NOT fix the text in Nuts and Bolts because to do so would be time consuming and costly. They only caved in over complaints that the target audience for their game was children. Children, who I might add would natuarally be playing on SD-TVs. Even then when the patch finally did come, it was over a month after the games release.

Mass Effect 2 is not a children's game. It's target audience is not meant to be kiddies playing on the hand me down TVs of mommy and daddy after their upgrade to HD-TV. Harsh, but the truth some times is not welcomed by people. Remember, gaming much like any entertainment technology is a luxury and not a given right. You can only complain so far that so and so is unfair to you within this realm.

P.S. Handheld, psychologists often diagnose people who refer to themselves in the third person as suffering from Narcissism. That in itself, may be part of the problem as to why you think that the world revolves around you and your inability to adopt HD-TV. Just a little food for thought so to speak.

[Creature 1]

Hellrazer360 wrote...

See the thing is most of the people on this forum are probably only teens and have no concept of having a monthly budget and having bills to pay. They are used to getting allowance and blowing it on luxury items (smart phones, HDTV's). Trust me when you kids get in the working world you aint gonna have all this money to just walk into best buy and buy a HDTV (Even a cheap one)

Have your mom and dad buy it for you! 

I don't have an HDTV.  I have the same TV I've had for eight years.  Why?  It works to watch TV on.  I don't intend to replace it until it either blows up or my husband decides he really really needs a new one.  I could afford to buy one for every room in the house, but I have things I'm more interested in spending money on, like savings (currently closing in on a net worth target). 

[FluxDeluxe]

Descedent wrote...

brgillespie wrote...

I get what you're saying, Flux. It's just tough to take financial/social excuses seriously when we're talking about someone dropping $60 on a console system that cost $300 in the first place. It's all disposable income, a type of money that vanishes in a hurry if the situation is truly dire.

Upgrading to an HDTV isn't prohibitively expensive if one finds themselves able to purchase a game. If you're honestly in a situation where you're scraping by on your mortgage, car payments, eating ramen noodles every night, then you shouldn't be dropping money on a videogame. Or a console system. Or, hell, the internet you're paying for to be able to post complaints about a lack of support for last-generation technology.

DING DING DING! this is whats wrong with 3/4 of america who expect everything just to be given to them.

go to work pay your bills. EARN nice stuff.

Sorry this just doesn't wash people who go out and earn money can put certain money aside for special purchases.  Cool people can scrape to afford a 360 and say 2 to 3 game purchases a year but then to add on the cost of a HDTV is a hard sell imo. Some have a responsibility to people other than themselves, and have to justify costs to partners for luxury items like HDTV's. If you live with someone and have children you need to be able to justify that cost. You really love computer games, so you put money aside and get a console. You get the 3 or 4 games that you really want in that year cool, "Oh honey i need to take some of the money that we jointly earn and spend it on a HDTV for a console game so i can read some text" = Relationship fail. No matter if you can afford one you need to be able to justify the cost imo. Again i'm arguing devils advocate but to me it highlights the selfishsness of thought that some people possess as they can only assess the problem from their situation or use a 'Get a Job' argument more suited to the pages of the daily mail. 

Modifié par FluxDeluxe, 28 janvier 2010 - 12:05 .

[Descedent]

bottom line is. dont **** about your terrible sdtv when you buy an hdtv gaming machine that happens to support sdtv.



thats like people playing mass effect 2 on 800x600. WHY?!

[Northborn]

jaboaty wrote...

We're blaming Bioware for either not testing for SD screens (Which Im guessing most people still use for playing games) or for just not caring. So either they were sloppy or they are purposefully trying to shoot them selves in the foot and alienate a major chunk of their customer base.

HDTV and HD-Ready tv's have been around for a decade now, and have become increasingly cheap over the past 5 years. No, most people play on HD now. Only kids with cheap parents or poor saps who couldn't get a proper job cannot afford an HD-Ready tv in this day and age. My girlfriend who works less than 16 hours a bloody week at an art store could afford to buy a 32" samsung monitor for her bedroom.

Modifié par Jep13, 28 janvier 2010 - 12:07 .

[Zoe Dedweth]

I'm so glad I have a 26" LCD for my PC. I can't wait to see what ME looks like, Can't wait for work to end!

[SerenityRebirth]

Well I'm not gonna brag. No use for it. But I wonder if there is a way around the issue. Are there settings that can be messed with on the tv? I'm assuming this is repetitive advice that the OP may have already tried. Sorry if it is.

[Shipwr3K]

lol at still having a sd tv, ts. 

Modifié par Shipwr3K, 28 janvier 2010 - 12:10 .

[Descedent]

i mean come on. they are almost giving away 22-32" tvs now. anything bigger that 32" used to be 5-10k more 10+years ago..



they are SO CHEAP now.

[Creature 1]

Jep13 wrote...
Only kids with cheap parents or poor saps who couldn't get a proper job cannot afford an HD-Ready tv in this day and age. My girlfriend who works less than 16 hours a bloody week at an art store could afford to buy a 32" samsung monitor for her bedroom.

Can I get in on the sanctimony?  Your girlfriend is an idiot--unless she's sitting on 6 months expenses in liquid savings and has all of her debt paid off, but I really doubt it.  In fact odds are pretty high she's got essentially no savings and her standard of living is subsidized by others. 

It's amusing to see people looking down on others for not spending frivolously, I'm so used to seeing it go the other way around. 

[joaks]

The problem might be that by increasing font size, several of the options on the dialog wheel might be too long. They (Bioware) chose a font size that accomodates the information the dialog wheel presents in a certain way. It sucks that SD TVs can't display small text properly. LCD monitors display the text fine, grab a VGA cable for the xbox and play it off your monitor - the text is much more readable.

Modifié par joaks, 28 janvier 2010 - 12:15 .

[Madapaca]

FluxDeluxe wrote...

Sorry this just doesn't wash people who go out and earn money can put certain money aside for special purchases.  Cool people can scrape to afford a 360 and say 2 to 3 game purchases a year but then to add on the cost of a HDTV is a hard sell imo. Some have a responsibility to people other than themselves, and have to justify costs to partners for luxury items like HDTV's. If you live with someone and have children you need to be able to justify that cost. You really love computer games, so you put money aside and get a console. You get the 3 or 4 games that you really want in that year cool, "Oh honey i need to take some of the money that we jointly earn and spend it on a HDTV for a console game so i can read some text" = Relationship fail. No matter if you can afford one you need to be able to justify the cost imo. Again i'm arguing devils advocate but to me it highlights the selfishsness of though that some people possess as they can only assess the problem from their situation or use a 'Get a Job' argument more suited to the pages of the daily mail. 

It's all about priorities, pretty much plain and simple. If you choose to buy an HD-TV over say, paying your rent or buying groceries then yeah, you're doing it wrong. If however, you want to use your disposable (notice this key word here) income on something to enjoy, then things like HD-TVs, and video games are okay to purchase. The problem you seem to have is that you feel that we are saying you should be forced to buy a HD-TV if you want to play the game. 

That's not what we are saying. What we are saying however is that if you want to play the game the way Bioware/EA intended you to play it, then you should buy a HD-TV set (If your means allow you to). If you can't afford one, you'll have to make do. If you don't want to buy one because your TV from 1970 is working fine for you still, then that's your choice. It all comes down to priorities and what people are willing to do for themselves. If you only buy four games a year, right there is enough to buy an HD-TV if you put off buying them and save the cash.

HD-TVs are not only for gaming on the Xbox 360 and PS3. They are for watching HD channels, and HD movies such as those on Blu-ray. To those who say the difference is un-noticable, or not worth it; all I can do is smile and sigh. Seeing things in 16:9 aspect ratio instead of 4:3 had me adopting it at the word go. I love technology, and I support my habit. For those of you who don't, or are unwilling to for whatever reason I wish you the best with that.

[SrGrvsaLot]

The economic argument is not hard to understand:



spend $60 on me2 = being able to play me2; spend $0 on me2 = being unable to play me2

spend $200 on xbox 360 = being able to play new games; spend $0 on xbox 360 = playing game cube games until the end of time

spend $300 on hdtv = slightly improved picture quality; spend $0 on hdtv = perfectly servicable picture quality



I'm willing to bet that the reason the majority (barely) of tvs are hdtv (as of mid 2009) is not due to people deliberately upgrading so much as it is due to the fact that all new televisions are hd. Every year, a certain percentage of the population has cause to buy a new television (for whatever reason - they move, their old one wears out or gets broken, whatever) - and because hd is the new standard, these people are buying hd. What they are almost certainly not doing (by and large) is throwing away perfectly good sdtv's explicitly for the performance improvement.



My next television will definitely be an hd, but I'm not going to get a new one until I've gotten all the use out of my current one.

[PSUHammer]

RogueAI wrote...

Booster008 wrote...

in this day and age... who doesn't have some sort of HDTV/or widescreen computer monitor? HDTV's are dirt cheap.

do you blame other companies for not making games that are compatible with Windows 95?

That is a horrible analogy. Operating system does not equal a certain screen resolution, idiot.

Actually, it makes a valid point.  Win 95 being an older OS (i.e. an older technology) and SDTV also being an older technology.  Companies can't cater to the old forever...HDTV's have been around for 10 years now...