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[EchoTango]

Tyrael02 wrote...

looks brilliant on a panasonic viera, i also have a bravia and ME2 looks unreal in 1080p, but i dont have trouble reading text at all... and whats this ranting on being in touch with reality, I have worked hard for everything I own and I am not obligated to show any empathy towards any of you. I paid for my own tuition and am now enjoying the fruits of my labour. Its sad to see how easily disturbed you "older" people are, we are not snot nosed arrogant kids BIG JEEPER, we are a more educated, capable generation. It would be more fitting to say it is a shame maybe things didnt work out for you, but don't you dare harp on the success of others. I may not be 30 but I will see more success at 30 then you ever will by the looks of it. That masters degree looks good on my wall.

Do you also have to be at the gym in 26 minutes?

[Pythonicus]

The text is too small. I have given up even trying to read most of it. Even on my HD-TV.

[Erode_The_Soul]

Tyrael02 wrote...

looks brilliant on a panasonic viera, i also have a bravia and ME2 looks unreal in 1080p, but i dont have trouble reading text at all... and whats this ranting on being in touch with reality, I have worked hard for everything I own and I am not obligated to show any empathy towards any of you. I paid for my own tuition and am now enjoying the fruits of my labour. Its sad to see how easily disturbed you "older" people are, we are not snot nosed arrogant kids BIG JEEPER, we are a more educated, capable generation. It would be more fitting to say it is a shame maybe things didnt work out for you, but don't you dare harp on the success of others. I may not be 30 but I will see more success at 30 then you ever will by the looks of it. That masters degree looks good on my wall.

Pro-tip: Regardless of how you live in the real world (rich, poor, snotty, empathetic, dickish, kind, etc), coming to a video game message board and attempting to brag about it just makes you look silly. Anyone can have a masters degree and a **** ton of money when they're on the internet, after all

[Felene]

UHitMeInTheEar wrote...
For some reason when I play Mass Effect 2 on my black and white tv from 1967 the colors just look terrible. WTF Bioware?!?!

But seriously maybe we should take up a collection for the poor kid.

Collection...LOL!

If the kid can't afford a HDTV or a HDLCD monitor with price range from $200-$500 and worry about hurting his eye sight, first thing I will say is maybe he is not suppose to play the game. He simply cannot afford a reasonable quality gaming equipment, that is not Bioware's fault.

Learn to manage your money better, ever heard of saving accounts or saving plans?

Because only a mental retardation person can't manage his/her own money.

Modifié par Felene, 28 janvier 2010 - 05:36 .

[Tealus The Original]

While I understand the issue (but not having the issue anymore). It really does depend on your TV. I have 2 HDTV. Both are large (and wide) screens. One in the living room, the other in the bedroom.

I've moved my Xbox down from the bedroom to the living room because of this issue. Fable 2 was just as bad (probably worst). I have quite a few Xbox 360 games that have this issue. On the living room HDTV, text is fine and readable (granted it's 50+inch). However, couldn't read crap on the bedroom's HDTV. Even among different HDTVs, it's an issue. It's not that hard to allow people to adjust text size. Or allow an solid dark background behind the captions/text thus preventing color bleed that causes these issues.



But I don't blame Bioware, I blame Microsoft. It's probably a Xbox rule that you can't make text bigger than 3mm

[Creature 1]

Felene wrote...
Learn to manage your money better, ever heard of saving accounts or saving plans?
Because only a moron can't manage his own money.

I would say managing one's money properly includes not blowing hundreds of dollars on unnecessary electronics.  

[UnnDunn]

I've got a 42" 1080p plasma TV which I've been playing Mass Effect 2 on, so I can read the text fine. But it's small enough that I could tell it would practically be illegible on an SDTV, unless BioWare bumped up the font size for SDTV users. Heck, the text is so small even 720p TV owners or CRT HDTV owners may have some trouble.

[CronoGuyver]

I got HDTV as well and the text looks way to small.

[Felene]

Creature 1 wrote...

Felene wrote...
Learn to manage your money better, ever heard of saving accounts or saving plans?
Because only a moron can't manage his own money.

I would say managing one's money properly includes not blowing hundreds of dollars on unnecessary electronics.

Ahh, needs and wants, shall we go back to Economics in high school level?

You don't need a state-of -the-art electronics to play a Bioware game. Therefore, unnecessary.

This case however, he wants to have a quailty game play that depend on these electronics.

Either he manage to save enough money that can afford a new HD electronics that fits his wants, or he still cannot afford it and stick with his SD electronics.

Properly manage one's own banking accounts and money is needed here.

Blaming this problem on Bioware just seem very "unnecessary" to me.

Modifié par Felene, 28 janvier 2010 - 05:54 .

[Descedent]

do people not have jobs in college anymore? for the love of god get out of your dorm or apartment and go to work. no reason anyone cant pull off working and college at same time.



I bought an 40" sony hdtv 1080p my junior year. Wanna know how? I worked. And then after college I bought another HDTV with my money from my JOB.



Stop making excuses about money. You are only worth the effort you put into your self and your potential.



Don't blame bioware for making a game in 2010 when HD technology is supreme

[Garlador]

Felene wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

Felene wrote...
Learn to manage your money better, ever heard of saving accounts or saving plans?
Because only a moron can't manage his own money.

I would say managing one's money properly includes not blowing hundreds of dollars on unnecessary electronics.

Ahh, needs and wants, shall we go back to Economics in high school level?

You don't need a state-of -the-art electronics to play a Bioware game. Therefore, unnecessary.

This case however, he wants to have a quailty game play that depend on these electronics.

Either he can afford it and buy a new HD electronics that fits his wants, or he cannot afford it and stick with his SD electronics.

Blaming this problem on Bioware just seem very "unnecessary" to me.

If Bioware made the entire game only playable with nVidia 3D glasses, and less than 1% of customers have those, wouldn't that be a similar case? "Either you can afford the glasses and spend several hundred dollars, or you can stick with blurry graphics" or something to that extent.

It's just a common courtesy from developers to the fans to give every customer that buys their game the utmost quality and peak performance they can, and that includes the majority of buyers with standard-TVs.

It was never a game breaker, but merely a small annoyance, but one that could be remedied, either through an update or as a fix for future installments in the franchise.

Nobody is asking them to NOT make the text work on HD-TVs, but by making it work well on standard TVs... who loses? Seriously? That's a win for all parties involved and everybody would be happy.

And I'm seriously getting angry at people telling me to "get a job" and "work harder." I'm taking 6 classes this semester, I have two jobs, and I can barely make ends meet. College is expensive, books are expensive, computer programs are expensive, software I need is expensive, rent is expensive, car payments are expensive, and facility necessities are expensive... that's life, and I get it, but it irks me when people assume I'm lazy or poor with money. I'm as frugal as I can be, I barely spend anything, I focus on necessities, and once I graduate and get a better job I'm sure things will start to stablize... as I start paying off all those college loans.

But my financial situation has NOTHING to do with this game-related issue. Either I can spend hundreds of dollars on an extra TV for the few games that I have moderate difficulty reading text on, or Bioware could make the font slightly bigger, or at least ME1's size, and make not only me as an individual happy but the vast majority of other standard TV owners happy, and, once again, everyone wins in the long run.

Modifié par Garlador, 28 janvier 2010 - 06:02 .

[Creature 1]

Felene wrote...
Ahh, needs and wants, shall we go back to Economics in high school level?

Why are you attempting to be insulting?

Blaming this problem on Bioware just seem very "unnecessary" to me. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

Apparently Bioware decided to make the text so small that it's hard to read even on HD.  Considering not everyone has HD, and a lot of those who do may have vision problems or just not like squinting, Bioware could have made the text bigger or added an option to change text size.

Modifié par Creature 1, 28 janvier 2010 - 05:58 .

[Creature 1]

Descedent wrote...

do people not have jobs in college anymore? for the love of god get out of your dorm or apartment and go to work. no reason anyone cant pull off working and college at same time.

I bought an 40" sony hdtv 1080p my junior year. Wanna know how? I worked. And then after college I bought another HDTV with my money from my JOB.

Stop making excuses about money. You are only worth the effort you put into your self and your potential.

Don't blame bioware for making a game in 2010 when HD technology is supreme

Care to share your net worth, income, and expenses? 

[Crock-a-duck Enthusiast]

mobius160 wrote...

Hey I'm still in school, have basically no income, and my parents refuse to let me play xbox on the HDTV. So everyone that says its my fault for not having one can shut up.

get a job you lazy sack. I have two jobs and am finishing 2 degrees one in physics and one in mathematics. You have no excuse unless you're folks simply won't allow you to work but that's really unlikely. Go down to Burger King and flip some patties. You can quit after you buy your new TV. Besides, you're not really an adult until you quit a job 

[Bigeyez]

Booster008 wrote...

in this day and age... who doesn't have some sort of HDTV/or widescreen computer monitor? HDTV's are dirt cheap.

do you blame other companies for not making games that are compatible with Windows 95?

I have a 32" HD and even I think the text is incredibly small. It reminds me of Dead Rising. I gave up on trying to read the codex because I can't see the text unless i go stand 5 feet from ym tv screen.

[Hellrazer360]

Massadonious1 wrote...

Hey all you homeowners, you were able to afford a $250,000 house....go out and buy a fleet of Aston Martin's since you're so rich!

Fail logic is fail.

I'd be very suprised if I buy more than 2 or 3 games this year. And to be honest, I'd rather have those 2-3 games and a working TV, than a HDTV and no games.

LOL yes cause you assume that every house is $250,000. No actually my house was $60,000.

[Descedent]

Creature 1 wrote...

Descedent wrote...

do people not have jobs in college anymore? for the love of god get out of your dorm or apartment and go to work. no reason anyone cant pull off working and college at same time.

I bought an 40" sony hdtv 1080p my junior year. Wanna know how? I worked. And then after college I bought another HDTV with my money from my JOB.

Stop making excuses about money. You are only worth the effort you put into your self and your potential.

Don't blame bioware for making a game in 2010 when HD technology is supreme

Care to share your net worth, income, and expenses? 

obviously enough to support myself and my gaming/HD habbits.

but thats what I went to college for. So I could make money and buy the nice expensive things I want, cause thats what you do when you want nice things, you go to work.

[Creature 1]

Descedent wrote...
obviously enough to support myself and my gaming/HD habbits.

but thats what I went to college for. So I could make money and buy the nice expensive things I want, cause thats what you do when you want nice things, you go to work.

Uh-huh.  How's your retirement savings doing? 

[Tai MT]

So... let me get this straight. The solution to this problem is not that the PROGRAMMERS of a game should take into stock that people are going to be playing on BOTH HD and SD Televisions (something Bungie takes into account, mind you, and they make Halo)... The solution is to force your consumer base to purchase a HD TV just to read the incredibly tiny text you decided to program in? The solution isn't to have the production team produce a relatively small patch for the game that increases text size... But to have every customer with problems reading the text, buy a (minimum) $200 TV when their current TV works fine and they have no need for ANOTHER television?

I've used this argument against Blu-Ray before. But why would I invest MORE money into something that I don't need just because of a slight improvement? My regular DVD player, Xbox360 DVD drive, Xbox Drive, and Playstation 2 drive work just fine for playing DVDs. Why should I spend another $200 on yet ANOTHER DVD player which displays movies in SLIGHTLY better quality?

The same argument applies to televisions. I have two SDTVs. Both work fine. Both display every game I own on multiple systems just fine. I can make out pretty much every detail on them. So why spend another $200 on a BRAND NEW television that will only slightly improve picture quality?

It's equivalent to two cars, same make and model, but you buy the more expensive one because it has a cup holder and a better paint job.  Yeah, no, sorry.  It's not worth the price to me.  If an HDTV was only FIFTY dollars more than a standard TV, I'd think about it.  But as it is, they're generally $200 more than a standard TV.

Also, those who are telling us to buy HDTVs should tell us their incomes, expenses, and any government programs they happen to be on.  That might be VERY enlightening.  Maybe even include their age.

Modifié par Tai MT, 28 janvier 2010 - 06:27 .

[Hellrazer360]

Guaritor wrote...

Descedent wrote...

Enjoy downgraded games then you cheap ass. Spend 300+ dollars on 360 or pc thats main point is to be gaming in HD of this generation. Time to move on from the 90s my friend.

Sucks for you. Your missing out on what me2 actually looks like along with every other game. Enjoy wasteing your money on $60 HD games then. Cause your severly over paying playing in sd

Cheap? Working my way through college, having to pay bills, food, books every semseter (which right there is probably the cost of a fvcking HDTV).  Im not cheap, i just don't have the expendable income right now to throw at something as meaningless as a TV, especially not when I already have one... that worked perfectly fine with ME1.

Im not asking BW to perform miracles and make my SDTV look as good as an HDTV, I just want to be able to read the text, its not even optimizing it for SD, just larger text would make sense for everyone... even the same size as ME1.

Agreed in full. This has been my point all along

[Blue Ninja]

I'm on an SDTV, and I don't have a real problem reading the text. I have to admit that I'm sitting pretty close to the screen, however, because it's placed right next to my computer. I try to keep my distance, though, to save the ol' eyes a bit.

[Cloaking_Thane]

I'm no programmer but surely larger txt is possible.



Like others have stated not everyone has the luxury to purchase 42" 1080p flat screens.

[Godzilla vs Xenu]

Did you never play Dead Rising? That title was one of the earliest 360 games, and it was the first to feature text that was practically impossible to read on standard tvs. From my own work as an editor I can tell you that planning for both formats is a royal pain in the ass, and if you have to satisfy both it means you have to compromise on a lot of levels, meaning you may have to redesign any particular graphic and consequently make something that may look good on a standard tv look ugly and overly simplistic in HD. I really think here that the problem is you need to design for one or the other, especially when your title involves a lot of text and graphical design. It may seem callous to say but the problem is you not having an HDTV - you can't expect a game like this to be designed for standard tvs first - if it were then the majority of people playing it on an HDTV would be complaining, like "why are all the letters and words so big? Did Bioware make this game for people with vision problems?" With this kind of game you have to chose what you are designing for, and in my opinion they made the right choice. Part of the next gen aspect of gaming is HD, if you decide HD is not for you then you cannot blame the game makers for not anticipating your decision to stick with old and outdated televisions.

[jaboaty]

Thread turned into exactly what I didnt want it to.



Any chance we can get a statement from a Bioware representative? Even if it is a '**** you', I would just really like some closure on the issue.

[Jan Shepard]

I also only have a SDTV, HDTV are still very expensive in Germany and I'm only a student.

Fallout 3 runs in 4:3 on my SDTV.



Why Bioware doesn't think about SDTV users?

They even made a PC version of ME2, and SDTV support is not a big deal.