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[Wrathra]

Seriously, do some people not have rudimentary math skills?



$60 =/= $200 + up



Adding the cost of the console to the cost of ME2 is pointless, since it is several years old.



Being able to afford $60 does not mean someone has an additional $200 or whatever to shell out for a new tv for one game. I've been broke, and I know what it's like to only be able to shell out for one luxury/fun/whatever purchase once in a while.



Anyway, I have an HDTV and I have trouble with some of the text. An option to make the fonts bigger isn't asking for much.

[Tai MT]

Godzilla vs Xenu wrote...

Did you never play Dead Rising? That title was one of the earliest 360 games, and it was the first to feature text that was practically impossible to read on standard tvs. From my own work as an editor I can tell you that planning for both formats is a royal pain in the ass, and if you have to satisfy both it means you have to compromise on a lot of levels, meaning you may have to redesign any particular graphic and consequently make something that may look good on a standard tv look ugly and overly simplistic in HD. I really think here that the problem is you need to design for one or the other, especially when your title involves a lot of text and graphical design. It may seem callous to say but the problem is you not having an HDTV - you can't expect a game like this to be designed for standard tvs first - if it were then the majority of people playing it on an HDTV would be complaining, like "why are all the letters and words so big? Did Bioware make this game for people with vision problems?" With this kind of game you have to chose what you are designing for, and in my opinion they made the right choice. Part of the next gen aspect of gaming is HD, if you decide HD is not for you then you cannot blame the game makers for not anticipating your decision to stick with old and outdated televisions.

I can understand that viewpoint.  But we're not asking for text the size of a billboard.  We'd just like text back to it's original size that was in the original Mass Effect.  You know, instead of text at font size six, back to font size ten.  And really, this wouldn't be an issue, if you didn't have to read what your responses were, or what things were in the field.  The game is heavily text based and this can pose a real issue when a large portion of your gaming population has SDTVs.

And honestly, an argument about "text looks ugly" is preferable to "can't read text".  Anyone with half a brain could agree with that.

[jaboaty]

Godzilla vs Xenu wrote...

Did you never play Dead Rising? That title was one of the earliest 360 games, and it was the first to feature text that was practically impossible to read on standard tvs. From my own work as an editor I can tell you that planning for both formats is a royal pain in the ass, and if you have to satisfy both it means you have to compromise on a lot of levels, meaning you may have to redesign any particular graphic and consequently make something that may look good on a standard tv look ugly and overly simplistic in HD. I really think here that the problem is you need to design for one or the other, especially when your title involves a lot of text and graphical design. It may seem callous to say but the problem is you not having an HDTV - you can't expect a game like this to be designed for standard tvs first - if it were then the majority of people playing it on an HDTV would be complaining, like "why are all the letters and words so big? Did Bioware make this game for people with vision problems?" With this kind of game you have to chose what you are designing for, and in my opinion they made the right choice. Part of the next gen aspect of gaming is HD, if you decide HD is not for you then you cannot blame the game makers for not anticipating your decision to stick with old and outdated televisions.

I didn't choose to stick with an SD television, it just wasn't economically feasible at the moment.  

Once again, did anyone with an HD set actually have problems with the text in Mass Effect 1?

[Hellrazer360]

I had no problem with the text in Mass effect 1. Its not like Bioware has to redo the whole game engine, the text size has nothing to do with the game engine, at least not in the way that it will cost them a million dollars to redo the text size. If Rare could do it, then Bioware sure as hell can do it as they probably have way more money than Rare.

[Jan Shepard]

Apparently the text was designed for PC owners and not for XBOX 360 owners...

[VisceralVillain]

Hellrazer360 wrote...

Crimson-Engage wrote...

HD here and the text is fine. OP, stop living in the stone age. HDTV's aren't that expensive. If you can afford a current gen console i'm sure you can afford a nice 26" HDTV for the same price.

Not really actually, I bought my xbox 360 back in 2005 when it came out and back then I had way more money than I have now. A year and a half ago I had my house get foreclosed and the last financial thought I'm having is an HDTV. I dont have even $200 to spare right now.

If that really is your financial situation then why are you spending even $60 on a video game, when you don't even have $200 to spare?  It sounds to me like you need to get your priorities straight.

In regards to the HDTV situation, I do understand your plight.  Though I'm not in the same boat, I can see where that would be frustrating.  Have you tried getting some VGA cables and hooking your XBox up to your computer monitor??  It works great. and far cheaper than a new TV

[FluxDeluxe]

It was always going to turn into this. People find it very easy to indulge their ego when they are a faceless avatar on the internet. Every argument turns into an immature need to flex ones social muscles. The rarity of a truly considered argument compared to the reflex responses given by some forumites is almost depressing. It always degenerates into one massive pissing match where people pathetically try to enforce their version of why BW did this or that and normally the real issue is lost in a slew of boasting and insults. The best you can hope for is that somebody reads the more productive posts and decide to change things for the next game or patch this one. Extremely doubtful imo

[Avissel]

Supposedly my Tv is HD, I got it from my brother so I can really say i know for sure but thats what he told me, and the text is pretty tiny when exploring planets. In ME1 I used to read all the planet text, now I find myself skipping it because the text is small, a little size bump would be appreciated.

[Ragrappy99]

I read through a few pages of this thread, and you people saying "just get a HDTV" are morons.



How much hassle would it have been for Bioware to have a text size option? So what, it's 2010. Not everyone has a HDTV, and it's rediculous to say "hey, you can afford an xbox and game, why not just buy a TV?". Do you have any idea what an inconvenience it is to have to replace your TV type just to read whats going on in a god damn game? Bioware, this is your fault, and just to reinforce what I said: you people are morons for suggesting to replace a TV for one game.

[homer_san]

Worst. Hate. Post. Ever.



Are you suggesting that Bioware should add 720p as part of the recommended requirement...

[Tech6425]

Creature 1 wrote...

Descedent wrote...

do people not have jobs in college anymore? for the love of god get out of your dorm or apartment and go to work. no reason anyone cant pull off working and college at same time.

I bought an 40" sony hdtv 1080p my junior year. Wanna know how? I worked. And then after college I bought another HDTV with my money from my JOB.

Stop making excuses about money. You are only worth the effort you put into your self and your potential.

Don't blame bioware for making a game in 2010 when HD technology is supreme

Care to share your net worth, income, and expenses? 

care to share yours? its obvious that you want desperately to brag to someone about it

[Felene]

Felene wrote...
Ahh, needs and wants, shall we go back to Economics in high school level?
You don't need a state-of -the-art electronics to play a Bioware game. Therefore, unnecessary.
This case however, he wants to have a quailty game play that depend on these electronics.
Either he can afford it and buy a new HD electronics that fits his wants, or he cannot afford it and stick with his SD electronics.
Blaming this problem on Bioware just seem very "unnecessary" to me.

Garlador wrote...
If Bioware made the entire game only playable with nVidia 3D glasses, and less than 1% of customers have those, wouldn't that be a similar case? "Either you can afford the glasses and spend several hundred dollars, or you can stick with blurry graphics" or something to that extent.

If Bioware did made a game solely for nVidia 3D glasses, which I can't afford therefore cannot not play, I will never yell at them just because I can't afford to play it.

You know first-class seats on a airplane is far more comfortable than economic seats. But it is much more expensive than a economic ticket. Will you yell at the airline company for setting first-class ticket price higher than economic tickets?

They are in business, aka "making money", if develop a game solely for nVidia 3D glasses is profitable, why not?

If I happen to be outside of their targeting group, it just means this game is not for me. Either work my ass up there or give up, that is life right?

Garlador wrote...
It's just a common courtesy from developers to the fans to give every customer that buys their game the utmost quality and peak performance they can, and that includes the majority of buyers with standard-TVs.

Yup, you hear the man Bioware, start a foundation for customers that cannot afford a HDTV right now!

Hmm, what are they going to name the foundation I wonder?

Garlador wrote...
It was never a game breaker, but merely a small annoyance, but one that could be remedied, either through an update or as a fix for future installments in the franchise.

A font adjustment patch will be nice, I think those subtitles on my HDLCD monitor is a little bit large.

People always ask dev to "do this, do that. add this in the game is easy, add that in the game is easy".

Seriously, how many of you actually develop games?

Garlador wrote...
Nobody is asking them to NOT make the text work on HD-TVs, but by making it work well on standard TVs... who loses? Seriously? That's a win for all parties involved and everybody would be happy.

Bioware I will charge $5 for those SDTV font fix patch as a DLC. Just saying.

Garlador wrote...
And I'm seriously getting angry at people telling me to "get a job" and "work harder." I'm taking 6 classes this semester, I have two jobs, and I can barely make ends meet. College is expensive, books are expensive, computer programs are expensive, software I need is expensive, rent is expensive, car payments are expensive, and facility necessities are expensive... that's life, and I get it, but it irks me when people assume I'm lazy or poor with money. I'm as frugal as I can be, I barely spend anything, I focus on necessities, and once I graduate and get a better job I'm sure things will start to stablize... as I start paying off all those college loans.

Sounds like a bottle of whine to me. Keep sharing if you want.

As a studient I will suggest you focus on your study. Instead of checking fourm and playing games.

Garlador wrote...
But my financial situation has NOTHING to do with this game-related issue. Either I can spend hundreds of dollars on an extra TV for the few games that I have moderate difficulty reading text on, or Bioware could make the font slightly bigger, or at least ME1's size, and make not only me as an individual happy but the vast majority of other standard TV owners happy, and, once again, everyone wins in the long run.

Remember Bioware, $5 DLC font fix patch.

Modifié par Felene, 28 janvier 2010 - 07:33 .

[Not Andrew]

mobius160 wrote...

Hey I'm still in school, have basically no income, and my parents refuse to let me play xbox on the HDTV. So everyone that says its my fault for not having one can shut up.

Go to Best Buy or Newegg and drop $30 bucks on the vga cable for your Xbox. I picked that up along with a 23" 1080p monitor for under $200. Everything I've played looks infinitely better than on my standard definition TV. Besides, I couldn't justify dropping $400+ on a tv just for my Xbox since I have no issues watching TV shows in standard definition. Plus, If/when I do eventually replace my TV, I have a sweet computer monitor.

[Descedent]

The pc version is king. Only version that actually plays in true 1080p. The txt is quite clear and readable on 32" and 42" HDTV running at 1920 x 1080.

[Ragrappy99]

homer_san wrote...

Worst. Hate. Post. Ever.

Are you suggesting that Bioware should add 720p as part of the recommended requirement...

A option to increase text size. Is that too much to ask?

[jaboaty]

Ragrappy99 wrote...

I read through a few pages of this thread, and you people saying "just get a HDTV" are morons.

How much hassle would it have been for Bioware to have a text size option? So what, it's 2010. Not everyone has a HDTV, and it's rediculous to say "hey, you can afford an xbox and game, why not just buy a TV?". Do you have any idea what an inconvenience it is to have to replace your TV type just to read whats going on in a god damn game? Bioware, this is your fault, and just to reinforce what I said: you people are morons for suggesting to replace a TV for one game.

Actually, there probably would be a lot of work involved with it.  I seriously doubt it would be as simple as changing one variable.  But still, thats the sort of work you need to do to make a finished project.  Yes, it does suck that Bioware has to jump through some extra hoops to make the game playable for everyone, but isn't that what we pay them for?

Both sides of the argument have probably over simplified the permutations as to when it is time to abandon one technology for another, but I think who ever made the decision to completely ignore SD TV users missed the mark.  

I'l admit, I was in a bad mood when I first posted and I might have been a bit more diplomatic if I stated this thread over but I still think my complaints are just.  At the moment, Bioware has chosen to ignore a large portion of their paying customers and quite frankly it makes them look bad as a company and as artists.

While I'm not even going to pretend that the two things are exactly the same, I am a web designer who has to jump through constant hoops to try to get things to work on as many browsers as I can.  While web designers as a whole are moving away from IE6, we're still trying to make web sites that are at least usable (though not as pretty) for out of date browsers.  It is a pain in my ass and I would sure love to just completely ignore all versions of internet explorer, but people expect to be able to see my work on their browser.  Its my job to make sure they can see it on their browser.

[jaboaty]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

Not Andrew wrote...

mobius160 wrote...

Hey I'm still in school, have basically no income, and my parents refuse to let me play xbox on the HDTV. So everyone that says its my fault for not having one can shut up.

Go to Best Buy or Newegg and drop $30 bucks on the vga cable for your Xbox. I picked that up along with a 23" 1080p monitor for under $200. Everything I've played looks infinitely better than on my standard definition TV. Besides, I couldn't justify dropping $400+ on a tv just for my Xbox since I have no issues watching TV shows in standard definition. Plus, If/when I do eventually replace my TV, I have a sweet computer monitor.

Question: to hook up the xbox to the monitor I won't actually need a tower right? (I have no room in my dormroom for a whole setup.)

No, there is a VGA cord you can by for the 360 as well as many other options.  I think there might even be a DVI cable floating around there ass well if you have a compatible 360.

[Not Andrew]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

Not Andrew wrote...

mobius160 wrote...

Hey I'm still in school, have basically no income, and my parents refuse to let me play xbox on the HDTV. So everyone that says its my fault for not having one can shut up.

Go to Best Buy or Newegg and drop $30 bucks on the vga cable for your Xbox. I picked that up along with a 23" 1080p monitor for under $200. Everything I've played looks infinitely better than on my standard definition TV. Besides, I couldn't justify dropping $400+ on a tv just for my Xbox since I have no issues watching TV shows in standard definition. Plus, If/when I do eventually replace my TV, I have a sweet computer monitor.

Question: to hook up the xbox to the monitor I won't actually need a tower right? (I have no room in my dormroom for a whole setup.)

Nope, just a monitor and some computer speakers for sound. Very dorm room friendly.

[Godzilla vs Xenu]

Ragrappy99 wrote...

I read through a few pages of this thread, and you people saying "just get a HDTV" are morons.

Sigh... and with responses like this you are pretty much ensuring they will not read this thread and react as you want them to. Not that you care, but it is nowhere near as easy as you seem to think it is to design anything to be ideal on both standard and HDTV sets, especially where text is concerned. As I said in my previous post, I have extensive experience with precisely this issue as part of my job as an editor has been to work on nationally broadcast commercials, and I have been working since before HDTVs were released. It may not be the answer you want to hear, but if you think it is easy to design something so that it looks good on a standard tv without it then presenting design problems on an HDTV (like text simply being too big or ugly) I respectfully suggest that you are misinformed. Design is extremely important to a game like this, obviously, it being a sci fi game that SHOULD give the impression of being cutting edge. If you were to be forced to design this game for standard tv users, it would have hindered that a great deal, in my opinion.

[Felene]

Creature 1 wrote...

Felene wrote...
Ahh, needs and wants, shall we go back to Economics in high school level?

Why are you attempting to be insulting?

I am sorry if I seem rude, high school reference is for age restrictions, last time I check Mass Effect 2 is rated for mature[18+].

Creature 1 wrote...
Apparently Bioware decided to make the text so small that it's hard to read even on HD.  Considering not everyone has HD, and a lot of those who do may have vision problems or just not like squinting, Bioware could have made the text bigger or added an option to change text size.

Funny how I think those fonts on my HDLCD monitor is a little bit too large.

Once again..."add this, add that". How did Bioware dev lived through all these crap is beyond me.

Well, do your magic Bioware. Hope you can grant their wish this time.

Modifié par Felene, 28 janvier 2010 - 07:31 .

[LyonVanguard]

That is why pc is better.

[Creature 1]

Tech6425 wrote...
care to share yours? its obvious that you want desperately to brag to someone about it

Nope, not really.  Sufficient to say that I'm frugal and happy with my financial progress in the past year.  I think those who are saying "just blow the $200-$1000" should post their financial data because I bet most of them are not as financially responsible as they seem to think they are. Standards for financial responsibility in our culture are quite low, which is really sad especially considering the economic situation for the past two years and for probably several years into the future. Personal savings rate for a while was 0% and below, now we're back in the single digits.  Yay? 

Modifié par Creature 1, 28 janvier 2010 - 07:33 .

[Creature 1]

Felene wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

Felene wrote...
Ahh, needs and wants, shall we go back to Economics in high school level?

Why are you attempting to be insulting?

I am sorry if I seem rude, high school reference is for age restrictions, last time I check Mass Effect 2 is rated for mature[18+].

No, you seem like you're attempting to be rude, yet failing.  Practice makes perfect? 

Creature 1 wrote...
Apparently Bioware decided to make the text so small that it's hard to read even on HD.  Considering not everyone has HD, and a lot of those who do may have vision problems or just not like squinting, Bioware could have made the text bigger or added an option to change text size.

Funny how I think those fonts on my HDLCD monitor is a little bit too large.

Once again..."add this, add that". How did Bioware dev lived through all these crap is beyond me.

Well, do your magic Bioware. Hope you can grant their wish this time.

That's the way product development works.