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[Dutch's Ghost]

I point to CDPR on how to properly do DLC/expansions. Heart of Stone was one of the best DLC's i've ever played...ever. It's me2 dlc tier, it even surpasses it since it lasted 10 hours just doing the main quest. The amount of cutscenes/dialogue/fantastic and interesting quests just blew me away.

 

The DLC expansions Bioware released for DAI were alright but were underwhelming and extremely expensive. The amount of hours you can get from everything in Heart of Stone equals to any two of the DLC campaigns from DAI combined! And it only cost a mere $10!!! Meanwhile, each of the DLC campaigns for DAI cost a whopping $15!!! 

 

When MEA releases, i hope the DLCS are true expansions that will give us a new story line,characters, quests, etc...Just make it so Bioware.

 

Take care.  

 

 

Edit: Bioware should also change their ridiculously pricing system for DLC. FFS....

 

http://www.kotaku.co...-is-a-hot-mess/

[AresKeith]

oh look Dutch is back

[Kaweebo]

Wasn't LotSB only $10 at release? Are the DAI DLCs longer or did they just bump up the price because 'next-gen ooOOooOOoo!!!'

[Revan Reborn]

This is going to start a TW3 vs DAI flame war. Before the thread gets locked, it's unlikely BioWare will be able to do what you want. CDPR has flexibility due to being independent, since they own GOG. Meaning, they can waste a lot of money and do things other studios cannot. BioWare is owned by EA and EA would never provide that kind of content at such a low fee. I'll be happy for something as epic as Citadel or Lair of the Shadow Broker. However, I'm not getting my hopes up for MEA DLC.

[Atomkick]

I'm also concerned a little about current DLC prices of ME2 and ME3 on Origin.

[Revan Reborn]

Wasn't LotSB only $10 at release? Are the DAI DLCs longer or did they just bump up the price because 'next-gen ooOOooOOoo!!!'

Besides Trespasser, all the DAI DLCs are pretty short and overpriced. That's typical EA policy though.

[Draining Dragon]

You mean, chop it out of the main product and sell it back to us for $15 apiece?

They've already got that down pat.

[Dutch's Ghost]

Wasn't LotSB only $10 at release? Are the DAI DLCs longer or did they just bump up the price because 'next-gen ooOOooOOoo!!!'

 

DAI dlcs are pretty short if you're blazing through the main quest lines. If you do everything in them you can get about 10 hours of play, i clocked 10 hours for both Hakkon and Descent on nightmare - doing everything, cant remember how much time i spent on Trespasser. Also, LotSB was $7 on release.

[slimgrin]

No one else does DLC like CDPR. The closest I've seen was Eidos and the DLC for Deus Ex:HR, which was really good. Maybe Rockstar too.

[Andrew Lucas]

While I love CDPR and The Witcher franchise as a whole - the third one being the best game of the gen so far, I can't help but think "Oh, look... another The Witcher related thread from Dutch..."

 

Serious dude, chill a bit. You have a good point, tho.

[Revan Reborn]

No one else does DLC like CDPR. The closest I've seen was Eidos and the DLC for Deus Ex:HR, which was really good. Maybe Rockstar too.

CDPR is definitely in a league of its own. BGS used to do a really good job of DLC, but they've been faltering in recent years. Most developers just don't do DLC/season passes very well. It's typically a rip off and just fluff for more money.

[Dutch's Ghost]

While I love CDPR and The Witcher franchise as a whole - the third one being the best game of the gen so far, I can't help but think "Oh, look... another The Witcher related thread from Dutch..."

 

Serious dude, chill a bit. You have a good point, tho.

 

Sorry Andrew, but i just finished HOS a day ago and was thinking about it and how Bioware could create similar DLC's - interms of quality, quantity and fair price. It's best to smash Bioware in the head with how good Witcher 3 is so they can follow suit in outdoing them. That is all. 

[This is the End My Friend]

This is probably one of the better Dutch threads. 

[Andrew Lucas]

Sorry Andrew, but i just finished HOS a day ago and was thinking about it and how Bioware could create similar DLC's - interms of quality, quantity and fair price. It's best to smash Bioware in the head with how good Witcher 3 is so they can follow suit in outdoing them. That is all. 

 

I hear ya. Like I said - you're right. HOS is how a DLC should be done, Inquisition's add-ons were basically poor/mediocre content if you consider the price.

 

TBH, Mass Effect's DLCs were mostly worth the price than DA's, and since it's a different studio making Andromeda (Montreal), I am expecting more meat in their extra content. But yeah, I'm not expecting 20+ hours of story like HOS from Bioware games. 

[Mirrman70]

Bethesda recently announced that since they are doing much more dlc then originally planned they are upping the price of the season pass by $20. However you have till the end of the month to buy it at the original price. That's a cool move in my book.

[Revan Reborn]

Bethesda recently announced that since they are doing much more dlc then originally planned they are upping the price of the season pass by $20. However you have till the end of the month to buy it at the original price. That's a cool move in my book.

It would be if the total amount of content they were providing was actually worth $50. The season pass for TW3 was only $25, and we are guaranteed 30 more hours of game play with two massive expansions. I seriously doubt Fallout 4's season pass will rival that amount of play time when it costs double in value with only one expansion.

[Br3admax]

It costs less to make games in Poland. It's also nice when you have a gigantic staff to work with. The real problem with Bethesda dlc is it's boring. 

[Revan Reborn]

It costs less to make games in Poland. It's also nice when you have a gigantic staff to work with. The real problem with Bethesda dlc is it's boring. 

That's not entirely true. TW3 was far from cheap. The game cost an estimated $81 million to produce. That's by no means a small fee for a AAA game:

 

http://www.gamespot....e/1100-6430409/

 

CDPR is just the most gamer-friendly developer in the industry. They make games for their fans, listen to our feedback, and try to give us as much value as they possibly can. They have this flexibility because they own GOG, so they are able to give us these great values in terms of content while recouping financial losses via sales on GOG. No one can compete with the value CDPR offers and CDPR knows it.

[caradoc2000]

it's unlikely BioWare will be able to do what you want. CDPR has flexibility due to being independent, since they own GOG. Meaning, they can waste a lot of money and do things other studios cannot. BioWare is owned by EA and EA would never provide that kind of content at such a low fee

So what you are saying is that EA has the reach while CDPR has the flexibility?

[Br3admax]

That's not entirely true. TW3 was far from cheap. The game cost an estimated $81 million to produce. That's by no means a small fee for a AAA game:

 

http://www.gamespot....e/1100-6430409/

Which is more money than Bethesda likely had to make Fallout 4. And really, that doesn't change what I said. Like at all. Games are still cheaper to make in Poland. The cost of living is less. Like a lot less.

 

CDPR is just the most gamer-friendly developer in the industry. They make games for their fans, listen to our feedback, and try to give us as much value as they possibly can. They have this flexibility because they own GOG, so they are able to give us these great values in terms of content while recouping financial losses via sales on GOG. No one can compete with the value CDPR offers and CDPR knows it.

 

I get it. CDPR is amazing and the Witcher 3 is the greatest game ever made. I mean it could just be that they aren't constrained the same way most triple-A developers are these days, it's not like CDPR owns the only store online, but that'd be crazy. It's just that they love their fans so much. That is what they tell us after all. I for one welcome our Cutscene-after-Cutscene Wielding Overlords. Dodge and roll. 

[Revan Reborn]

So what you are saying is that EA has the reach while CDPR has the flexibility?

Meaning, EA is a massive conglomerate only ran by suits who have no interest in gaming and are only motivated to increase profit margins.

 

Whereas the guys who actually own CD Projekt (as well as CDPR and GOG) are actually gamers and they don't let business get in the way of trying to make the best gaming experience they possibly can.

 

Priorities effectuate what kind of content we are likely to get and at what price point. This is why no other studio will ever be able to compete with CDPR, because these studios do not have the funds nor the authority to provide so much content for such a low price.

[Teabaggin Krogan]

I really love TW3 and CDPR is a really gamer friendly company. They make great games, care about their fans and consider the feedback that they received while releasing patches etc. I'm just sad that we don't have a Ciri exclusive dlc where you get to teleport around to your heart's content. Could make for some interesting platforming sections as well as gameplay!

 

Mass Effect does some DLCs that are really good like Citadel and Lotsb as already mentioned but yes that **** was relatively expensive. I had to pay around 20$ for Citadel although Lotsb was free with game. I don't regret it though, Citadel was funny and has a good ending.

         

    Another company is From Software who made the Dark Souls and Bloodborne series. Their dlcs are phenomenal and add lots of extra content and lore to the game. Dunno if anyone here plays those games but if you do, you know what I'm talking about.

[Revan Reborn]

Which is more money than Bethesda likely had to make Fallout 4. And really, that doesn't change what I said. Like at all. Games are still cheaper to make in Poland. The cost of living is less. Like a lot less.

 

 

I get it. CDPR is amazing and the Witcher 3 is the greatest game ever made. I mean it could just be that they aren't constrained the same way most triple-A developers are these days, it's not like CDPR owns the only store online, but that'd be crazy. It's just that they love their fans so much. That is what they tell us after all. I for one welcome our Cutscene-after-Cutscene Wielding Overlords. Dodge and roll. 

I don't know how much money BGS was provided to develop Fallout 4. I know the biggest detractor from the game is BGS stubbornly continues to use the obsolete and piece of trash they call the Creation Engine. My point was CDPR's freedom to actually make games they want, rather than what publishers want, is their biggest benefit and why they are so successful.

 

You can be facetious if you'd like, but CDPR is the most gamer-friendly studio there is. TW3 is a great game and won far more GotY awards than any other game in 2015 by a landslide. You obviously aren't a big fan of CDPR or TW, so I really don't want to get into a pointless brawl with you. However, the point of the matter is CDPR is just in a unique position to do things other developers cannot.

[AlanC9]

Sorry Andrew, but i just finished HOS a day ago and was thinking about it and how Bioware could create similar DLC's - interms of quality, quantity and fair price. It's best to smash Bioware in the head with how good Witcher 3 is so they can follow suit in outdoing them. That is all.

It's not like Bio actually can do that, though. They've got a higher basic cost structure than CDPR does.

[Dutch's Ghost]

CD is just honest to the consumer unlike Bioware and EA. This honesty creates loyalty among consumers, loyalty creates word of mouth, buzz and profits, profits creates bigger studio, bigger team, more games etc...

Bioware and EA are just shady corporations in comparison to glorious CDPR which has become my favourite dev. God bless Poland.