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#126
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Well it had a storyline, and it was worth noting, also it had a plot. Whether you enjoyed it or not is not relevant to the discussion. Are you a drone by the way? I mean i read all of your topics, for some reason, and they are all about how Bioware can only be better by copying from other games. "MGS did basebuilding better". Can't Bioware just be Bioware? They make the games they want to make, they get feedback and they adapt it into their game like every other developer.

 

Do you know what bad feedback is? Feedback like this thread is giving. It is not helping by bashing on their game and telling them they make worse games than the competition. Wouldn't you rather talk about what is good with DA:I and what is bad and provide feedback on how to improve those elements? I mean real feedback, not "Copy this from that game and this from that game." Also there is actually a new rule now, you can like more than one game and other games doesn't suck because you like one better then them all. Well i've said what i wanted to say. Take care Dutch!

 

I'm sick of the stupid endless comparisons between BioWare and CDPR and DA:I and TW3 all of which basically boil down to personal opinion and preference.  As I have stated elsewhere I was not impressed by the Xbox 360 version TW2 and found it awful game and I have seen nothing or read about TW3 has made me want to play the damn thing and I still don't. That is my opinion.    


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LOL im a fanboy when u are a CD project fanboy dude.

 

First if u know a little about making a new engine it doesnt meter the the company have the money to make it budge vs revenue is all that meter at the end. And BSG show that even if U dont like the creation engine the game sell millions using as u say the same engine, when clearly isnt the same engine, is like saying Unreal 3 is the same as Unreal 4.

 

Plus u point something that isnt true about Witcher bc they downgrade the game so it was stable on consoles and PC. So plz dont come and tell me i dont know **** when u clearly dont know either.

 

I dont know here u go rage about GOTY award when i didnt say anything i just saying u can prize all what u want to Witcher 3 when really didnt bring anything new to the table of RPG game, Witcher 3 is a drive story adventure game with RPG elements.

 

And plz u come and give me a lecture about AI when there is a single game out there that have a good or at least decent AI system. If im unlucky playing Witcher 3 u are unlucky playing Fallout 4.

 

Is simple tell me what ever u want, i know how good or bad Fallout 4 is, i know isnt a perfect game but isnt a turd either. But saying that other companies need to learn about a "success" of CD project, that really wasnt that BIG. Is just plain nonsense. Bioware or BSG know really well how to make their own game and how to keep fan on their games. Witcher 3 was a good game but the fanbase is small (and toxic as hell as u probing by saying other companies need to learn from they) bc alot of ppl have problem with Witcher game play. 

 

 

What is so annoying about the GotY awards meme is that almost every GotY award won by CDPR for The Witcher 3 are pretty much the same GotY awards that DA:I won and yet those aren't legit because the whole "EA bought every single award for DA:I and poor little cash strapped CDPR couldn't so they must have earned it" is just stupid. 



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I'm kinda surprised how bothered people are by the rampant The Witcher/CDPR worshipping, shouldn't you guys be desensitized to it by now?

 

Bioware would charge a simple outfit DLC, TW3 didn't, and that's just an example. So no, there aren't many studios like CDPR out there.

 

Yes. At least that's how they operated with Mass Effect (can't speak on DA:I because I don't actually know). Plus, it seems a bit disingenuous to include MP DLC as a freebie, while technically true EA is still getting paid (handsomely I would assume). I do like that pay model though, price gouge the dummies and the rest of us get free stuff. 



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This whole glorification of CDPR and Witcher is really starting to get on my nerves. And believe it or not I'm from Poland.

 

Is it worse over in Poland?



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Is it worse over in Poland?

Well, if this says anything about Poland at all, the Prime Minister of Poland gave President Obama a copy of The Witcher 2 when he was visiting Poland. Everybody in Poland seems to worship CDPR and the work they do. I'm sure tensions have been heightened with the success of The Witcher 3, winning the most GotY awards out of any other game in 2015.



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I hear the game disc is now a valid form of currency there.


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Well, if this says anything about Poland at all, the Prime Minister of Poland gave President Obama a copy of The Witcher 2 when he was visiting Poland.

 

Is that true? LOL. I don't care what anyone else thinks that is awesome.



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Is that true? LOL. I don't care what anyone else thinks that is awesome.

 

It is true, and it was awesome at the time.


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What is so annoying about the GotY awards meme is that almost every GotY award won by CDPR for The Witcher 3 are pretty much the same GotY awards that DA:I won and yet those aren't legit because the whole "EA bought every single award for DA:I and poor little cash strapped CDPR couldn't so they must have earned it" is just stupid.


Do you realize TW3 is going to surpass TLOU and become the game with most GOTYs ever? Inquisition didn't reach half the mark. You shouldn't avoid considering such impressive achievement.

While you rant, TW3 just won another GOTY.

I'm kinda surprised how bothered people are by the rampant The Witcher/CDPR worshipping, shouldn't you guys be desensitized to it by now?
 

 
Yes. At least that's how they operated with Mass Effect (can't speak on DA:I because I don't actually know). Plus, it seems a bit disingenuous to include MP DLC as a freebie, while technically true EA is still getting paid (handsomely I would assume). I do like that pay model though, price gouge the dummies and the rest of us get free stuff.


Back at their launches, every DLC from DA and ME were paid, no exception. Bioware/EA just didn't place a price tag over ME3's MP content because they would look even more bad and there's also the micro transactions.

Bioware's extra content rarely justify the price they put over it. They really should take a note from CDPR.
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Rather than letting Dutch's fervor taint everyone's opinion of CDPR, just don't click on these threads and pay attention to what they've actually done. By putting the customer first, they're setting an example other AAA devs should follow. And I'm sorry, but Bioware/EA still has a ways to go. You don't even need to bring up CDPR to realize that.


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I'm part of Ross Scott's anti EA Campaign actually.

o.o I've actually sent in a letter just yesterday.

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while i will agree EA or any company should be more close thier consumer, CDproyect didnt do anything new, lets see they offer 2 DLC "expations" while other offer more. And alot of free stuff that didnt do much, some skins or weapons or 2 quest, all those things could have been on the game. They just hold it and release it over time that all.

 

 

Do you realize TW3 is going to surpass TLOU and become the game with most GOTYs ever? Inquisition didn't reach half the mark. You shouldn't avoid considering such impressive achievement.

While you rant, TW3 just won another GOTY.

 

the Goty are over already and Witcher didnt beat TLOU

 

Both game if u notice arent hard on gameplay they are heavy on history. Good game both TLOU beat the Witcher 3 by far.



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No one else does DLC like CDPR. The closest I've seen was Eidos and the DLC for Deus Ex:HR, which was really good. Maybe Rockstar too.

 

Skyrim's Dawnguard and Dragonborn DLC are pretty good too. I agree with the rest. The price of The Missing Link DLC for Deus Ex: HR is also acceptable.



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while i will agree EA or any company should be more close thier consumer, CDproyect didnt do anything new, lets see they offer 2 DLC "expations" while other offer more. And alot of free stuff that didnt do much, some skins or weapons or 2 quest, all those things could have been on the game. They just hold it and release it over time that all.
 
 

 
the Goty are over already and Witcher didnt beat TLOU
 
Both game if u notice arent hard on gameplay they are heavy on history. Good game both TLOU beat the Witcher 3 by far.


Yes, they did. Not only that, but they know how to properly make a DLC, another example of that would be The Following from Techland. Such content is worth the price tag, not mediocre stuff like Inquisition accomplished with all its 3 DLCs which were way overpriced.

Not it didn't, TW3 has clocked as of now 237 awards against 249 of TLOU. That's not a large margin. Both games are focused on the gameplay....

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That problem has been solved with new game plus.

New Game + is anti-consumer.  All of the game's content should be available without us having to jump through hoops to unlock it.



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New Game + is anti-consumer.  All of the game's content should be available without us having to jump through hoops to unlock it.


It's a design decision you disagree with. You're misusing the word anti-consumer.
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Skyrim's Dawnguard and Dragonborn DLC are pretty good too. I agree with the rest. The price of The Missing Link DLC for Deus Ex: HR is also acceptable.

 

Agreed, the Skyrim DLC added a good amount of new content for not too large of a price, especially Dragonborn with the additional area and all.



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CD is just honest to the consumer unlike Bioware and EA. This honesty creates loyalty among consumers, loyalty creates word of mouth, buzz and profits, profits creates bigger studio, bigger team, more games etc...

Bioware and EA are just shady corporations in comparison to glorious CDPR which has become my favourite dev. God bless Poland.

 

Well, you're either lying or you've already managed to forget that CDPR lied to consumers about The Witcher 3's graphical downgrade pre-release.

 

CDPR is honest when it suits their bottom line to be so, and dishonest when it doesn't. Like every business.


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Well, you're either lying or you've already managed to forget that CDPR lied to consumers about The Witcher 3's graphical downgrade pre-release.

 

CDPR is honest when it suits their bottom line to be so, and dishonest when it doesn't. Like every business.

 

Crazy how the vertical slicing doomed Watch Dogs in a lot of people's eyes, but when TW3 did it they barely got any press. Probably because Watch Dogs was an intensely mediocre game, but the difference in treatment is still interesting.

 

And yeah, I'm increasingly wary of the CD Projeckt worship as if they were some sort of super special underdog messiah of gaming. They are a AAA developper under a AAA publisher and AAA budget now, and their actions don't follow up their words of being generous and oh so gamer friendly anymore. The free content given with TW1, and TW2 to a lesser extent, was extensive. TW3 received nowhere near it, and while HoS had a healthy amount of content, it's still not close to, say, the Enhanced Edition of Divinity Original Sin, and the White March add-ons for Pillars of Eternity offer just as much bang for your buck if not moreso if we wanna talk value.

 

The difference being these companies don't shout up and down when they do stuff like that, and thus don't have legions of fans tripping over themselves to tell everyone how amazingly beneficial to humanity this group of people they give money to in exchange for video games are. I mean, they're better than the EAs and Ubisofts of this world, sure, but the self-righteous posturing by both them and their fans is starting to be annoying. They are a good gaming company that make good games. To me that makes them people I will buy games from so long as they can convince me to. It doesn't make them shining paragons that I must defend and compare everything else to ad nauseum. And they sure as hell aren't my friends.


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#145
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I wish you people would stop disparaging CDPR's good name by suggesting that there's some level of self-interest in the way they treat their add-on content. They're just a few miracles away from being the first living entity to be canonized as a saint. 


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New Game + is anti-consumer. All of the game's content should be available without us having to jump through hoops to unlock it.


Depends on how the mode works, doesn't it? All you got with NG+ in the ME games is that you reached the point when systems started to break down faster. Well,except for that thing with the fish in ME3.

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I point to CDPR

 

Stopped reading right here. Lol, oh Dutch.


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Stopped reading right here. Lol, oh Dutch.

You've gotta give him credit though. He mastered the art of "beating the dead horse" before anyone even knew what that actually meant.


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Beating a dead horse is a subtle art. You don't want it to become a fine paste too quickly. You want it to be a slow process, like whittling down a fine hunk of wood.



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Depends on how the mode works, doesn't it? All you got with NG+ in the ME games is that you reached the point when systems started to break down faster. Well,except for that thing with the fish in ME3.

 

 

I once deleted a save file because I regretted the fish I had.